Bush is a hero

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#138836 Jul 18, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
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I'm pretty sure you've done the research and are well aware that he's circumvented the law, but yes, yer defending him, just the same... I understand that yer deeply vested in the brand. This crap about presidents routinely doing what Obama has done here, is pure crap. He hasn't "reversed" the law Willie. He's just signed an exec-order to undermind it. He's done this over and over again, with immigration laws, with voter registration laws, and on it goes....
No, Higgins, I didn't defend him.

I properly described what he had done - something you did not, either deliberately or because you took somebody at their word - and nothing more.

I said I thought the people who questioned the legality of his move were probably right, although I understand why you can't acknowledge that.

The contemporary debate about Presidents using Executive Orders to circumvent laws passed by Congress dates back to Clinton if not before. You being you, you can crow to your little heart's content about liberal Dems, but Bush did the same damned thing and increased the use of signing statement by multiples - a practice I believe Obama has continued.

Maybe you should pay more attention to politics with less focus on partisanship and more on governance.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#138837 Jul 18, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
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Bullcrap, Willie. What they did, is no different from what Obama is doing or attempting to do now... Its a new century, but same objectives... Only more hurdles for this would-be populist-socialist..
Thanks for the chuckle.

I'm all about reduce reuse recycle, but will somebody PLEASE put this rubbish in the landfill where it belongs?

“Psalm 24:1”

Since: Mar 10

Mississippi County Arkansas

#138838 Jul 18, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
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Heh heh heh....
All this nonsensical identity-politics, is pure unvarnished emotionalism... Obama was elected, on the same socalled "merits",(being "a person of color" Ha!
Well, so far how is that working out for ya?
Its working out quite well actually.....FOUR MORE YEARS!

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#138839 Jul 18, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
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I've read enough of Jefferson to know, Obama he ain't...
Oh, Higgins.

I have complete faith in your ability to find Marxists where ever you want to find them. You could do it with Jefferson without breaking up a sweat. He his body of written work is large enough that your cherry picking would be almost effortless.

If this election was Adams vs Jefferson you'd be one of the ones screaming the loudest about the Jacobin hordes Tom would unleash, speaking out about the threat of Deism, telling people if he's elected they'd better hide or bury their Bibles because churches would be banned or burned or worse.

You follow a time honored road in American politics, Higgins. It's not necessarily the high road, but you gotta take the road you're most comfortable on.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#138840 Jul 18, 2012
Lost In Transition wrote:
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Obama leans pretty hard to the left, contrary to what MSNBC may tell you. He maintains the appearance of being moderate only because the left has thrown themselves so far to the left.
Gee, that was easy!
I have a brain.

I like my brain.

I gave up drugs and alcohol to protect my brain. I certainly wouldn't do what it took to do that only to fry it on Fox or MSNBC.

“Psalm 24:1”

Since: Mar 10

Mississippi County Arkansas

#138841 Jul 18, 2012
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Go read what your party said about them. Liberal women "hated" Bachman and I never heard such racist comments from any Republican as I did from democrats about Cain (and about Obama for that matter) Bachman, Palin, Condeleeza Rice, all would make great presidents but wait and see what you hear even here about them. People can be really stupid.
But what does that (what you said) have to do with the Republican Party nominating a person of color? a woman? Liberal women don't vote in republican primaries....republicans do! The Republican Party (in general) is a southern white male party; and their "big money" supporters is not going to ever vote for a woman or a person of color to be their nominee....the truth hurts sometimes....

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#138842 Jul 18, 2012
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, Higgins.
I have complete faith in your ability to find Marxists where ever you want to find them. You could do it with Jefferson without breaking up a sweat. He his body of written work is large enough that your cherry picking would be almost effortless.
If this election was Adams vs Jefferson you'd be one of the ones screaming the loudest about the Jacobin hordes Tom would unleash, speaking out about the threat of Deism, telling people if he's elected they'd better hide or bury their Bibles because churches would be banned or burned or worse.
You follow a time honored road in American politics, Higgins. It's not necessarily the high road, but you gotta take the road you're most comfortable on.
I havve a helmet to protect my brain when I go biking. It says "I love my brain" on it. I should wear it when I'm on topix.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#138843 Jul 18, 2012
Mr Arkansas wrote:
<quoted text> But what does that (what you said) have to do with the Republican Party nominating a person of color? a woman? Liberal women don't vote in republican primaries....republicans do! The Republican Party (in general) is a southern white male party; and their "big money" supporters is not going to ever vote for a woman or a person of color to be their nominee....the truth hurts sometimes....
You're fond of stereotypes, aren't you?

I don't blame you. The idea that people you don't like are individuals who may not always agree with each other, let alone with you, can be quite frightening.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#138844 Jul 18, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>You're fond of stereotypes, aren't you?
I don't blame you. The idea that people you don't like are individuals who may not always agree with each other, let alone with you, can be quite frightening.
Clearly.

I mean, everyone knows that people you disagree with are all part of the Borg.

;-/

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#138847 Jul 18, 2012
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>I havve a helmet to protect my brain when I go biking. It says "I love my brain" on it. I should wear it when I'm on topix.
What did Pogo say?

We have met the enemy and he is us, I think.

“Take It To The Limit”

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#138849 Jul 18, 2012
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>I wasn't psychoanalyzing you, Higgins. Nobody in their right mind would think I was seriously suggesting you were suffering from heat effects.
Well ... there's Nebka ;-)
You're reaching ... reaching really hard here. Not as hard as you're reaching to build the molehill of Obama's speech into a mountain of ... something, however.
You are committing high crimes and misdemeanors against the English language in your efforts to prove that Obama was attributing the success of American business to 'roads and bridges'.
All that nonsense about countries having roads before the founding of the U.S. was painful to read. If you're trying to be absurd, you've succeeded - but not in a good way. You've gone so far beyond plausible spin that it's ridiculous.
Were it not banned by the Geneva Convention, I would sentence you to 96 consecutive hours listening to music recorded by William Shatner and Lenard Nemoy for the atrocities you've perpetrated.
It wouldn't even have to be loud.
Music by shatner and nimoy? Geez, Willie. You're one cold hearted sumbitch.
One more thing; How 'bout 'Bound For Glory' as movies as art?
In 'The Buddy Holly Story' the music was Graet, but the biopic part was played pretty loose.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#138850 Jul 19, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
Y'know, those people who rush to spin Obama's obvious contempt for American venture capitalist have to ignore some very obvious facts. They have to pretend that there are no roads and bridges in other nations.
Matter of fact, most nations had more roads and bridges before America was even founded. The Great wall of China is one of the oldest, and longest roads in the world. Despite the "roads and bridges" that Obama cites, there are still people all over the planet using their roads and bridges to blaze a path to America's door steps.
The accomplishments of many Chinese Americans cannot be disputed. They have surpassed many 10th generation Americans, and the questions is why? The simple answer is that whether yer of Chinese heritage or not, you embrace the American dream, and you will achieve the American dream. Obama and his ilk seems to miss this, because Obama resents people who are self-sufficient. He paints them as selfish, greedy or immoral.
Meanwhile, those who have not made the sacrifices to achieve the dream, are told by the Obamas of the world, that they are being robbed by the achievers. This is an old populist argument, leading back even before the Bolsheviks...
Your over-simplification of why people do or do not achieve the American Dream is missing more than Obama and his ilk are missing.

Generally speaking, people who immigrate to the United States, even those that do so illegally, are being held back by their country of origin either politically or economically. They are capable of performing work and intelligent enough to learn new skills combined with the confidence (courage almost) to set out into the unknown.

They leave behind a number of citizens who are not as capable of work, not as intelligent or gifted at learning and who are not as courageous.

If you have a problem understanding that, how many handicapped Chinese street sweepers with an IQ of 60 do you know that came to America and made their fortune?

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#138851 Jul 19, 2012
shovelhead72 wrote:
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....If you had read my 'diatribe', rather than scanned it, you might have noticed that it's not Mitt's financial activities that bother me, so much as it is his hypocrisy. This is a man with consummate skill in manipulating the rules to suit his own ends, and for him to say that folks who live below the poverty line are freeloaders if they accept government assistance is horsesh*t. The government assists Bain Capital, and Mitt Romney, in acquiring wealth, by requiring a lower percentage of his assets in taxes than the average person pays - and we don't need his tax returns to prove that......
This has to do wityh your manipulation comment:

A couple of days ago Willie made a comment about Romney's finances, morality and the law. This morning I was listening to the radio when I heard that when Romney was with Marriot he sat on the audit committee. They came up with a way to reduce tax burden by reducing real profits using paper losses. Now whether or not it was illegal speaks to his morals, values and ethics unless you think he would knowingly do something illegal which is something else.

It turns out that the practice was challenged in court by the IRS and Marriot lost.

But you have to ask, what is morally or ethically correct about consiously hiding profits to avoid taxation?

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#138852 Jul 19, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>You have a point, but it's too bad it's not a kind of capitalism that benefits the nation.
What kind of capitalism does not benefit the nation?

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#138853 Jul 19, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
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....Now, Obama has not only created an environment where jobs are more scarce, but he's also reversed the law Clinton signed, that required evidence that welfare recipients were actively seeking employment. He's increased the welfare rolls to almost 50 million Americans. The wellfare cost has also quadrupled, and Obama is quite pleased with his accomplishment, I suppose.
Actually it was bush that did that and Obama put a stop to it.

Of course we could discuss reality, economic cycles and the role corporate and executive greed played but where would the joy be in that?

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#138854 Jul 19, 2012
timn17 wrote:
<quoted text>Don't forget his certified membership in the black panthers.
Or that he is not an American, at least one qualified Constitutionally to be President. A prominent Republican politician has declared once again that his BC is forged.

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#138855 Jul 19, 2012
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>Not really true.
States can (but do not have to) apply for waivers, the justification being that they can implement their own programs for getting people off the welfare rolls.
That is different, imo significantly different, than 'Obama reversing a law', but admittedly nowhere near as sexy.
I'm not defending the policy, btw. Some of its critics question the legality, and I think they may be right. It goes to a bigger question of Presidents, and Obama is not by any stretch of the imagination the first, using Executive Orders to bypass laws passed by Congress.
If you're going to talk about this, a little more accuracy and a lot less spin would go a long way toward a worthwhile discussion.
You can let loose the defend the indefensible now...I know you'.re dying to do that.
The irony of DS being against the federal government relinquishing some power to the states because Obama did it is typical of the games Republicans have been playing.

Not long ago didn't he something about how he values his conservativism and small government philosophy?

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#138856 Jul 19, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
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Heh heh heh.... I understand that yer vested in advancing the "guvment is great", message, but yer missing the salient point, Hip. That being that Obama wants to attribute the success of American businesses to the roads and bridges. But I'm telling you that without the American exceptionalism, afforded by freedom and capitalism, we would be like any other nation, with roads and bridges, but not much else. If Obama gets his wish, then we would have to look to Washington for everything we need... Thats what ObamaTaxCare is all about.
American exceptionalism has much more to do with being founded in a relatively unpopulated land with abundent resources with the willingness to buy land from countries that claimed it as their own (despite the original inhabitants) or to take it when purchase was not possible.

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#138857 Jul 19, 2012
Rudyard Kiplingesque wrote:
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Music by shatner and nimoy? Geez, Willie. You're one cold hearted sumbitch.
One more thing; How 'bout 'Bound For Glory' as movies as art?
In 'The Buddy Holly Story' the music was Graet, but the biopic part was played pretty loose.
You know, I don't think I've ever seen Bound for Glory. That's odd only because I'm a big Woody Guthrie fan, who would have turned 100 this weekend.

The Buddy Holly Story I did see, and I agree - the music was great.

Payback is a ... well, you know. I had to go and bring up Shatner and Nimoy's muzak, and now I can't get Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds and Rocket Man out of my head.

Apologies to Queen fans, but http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/10/william_s...

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#138858 Jul 19, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
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Pure venture capitalism is good, and has built America.... Not the crony-capitalism, that Obama loves so much....
Crony-capitalism like the Kennedy's, Gore's, bush's, Romney's.......

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