Bush is a hero

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#137878 Jul 5, 2012
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>You're kidding, right?
No ... I guess you're not.
'Tis a pity.
You have no substantiation, as in zero substantiation, nada substantiation, zilch substantiation, zip substantiation.
If you are serious - I think you may want to work a little harder at sticking to what's in a post, not what you think might logically follow.
If you're not serious, and this is just you attempting to stir up sh*t - please, for your own sake if nothing else, stop. You're not very good at it, and you make it incredibly easy to dismiss what you say out of hand.
Really Willie?

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#137879 Jul 5, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>Obamacare is not a step, but a downright LEAP down the slippery slope of socialism. Anyone who says they don't see that is either blind or is one of those who are so completely lacking in self-respect and brains that they are actually comfortable with the government telling them what to do and how to live their lives.
As for alcohol being a recreational drug, I tend to agree with that. Alcohol does a great deal of damage, no argument there, and it is arguably the most destructive drug in human history.
However, as I said, I personally rarely imbibe alcohol. I do take Communion at church 3 or 4 times a month, and which amounts to maybe a teaspoon of wine once a week. Other consumption--once in a blue moon I might have a glass of wine (usually with a holiday dinner) or a margarita if I happen to be eating out and my husband is driving. I think the last time I had any such was to celebrate our 25th wedding anniversary this past March. I don't remember the last time before THAT, and I never drink beer at all.
I do tend to make a habit of things easily, and I realized when I was a teenager that if I started drinking I was headed for disaster. So early on I resolved NEVER to let that happen. There was one time a jerk spiked my soft drink at a Christmas party, but I never bought or accepted or drank any kind of alcohol (except Communion) until our first wedding anniversary, when I allowed myself a glass of wine.
I'm absolutely certain that over the course of my lifetime my AGGREGATE consumption of alcohol would be under one gallon, perhaps under 1/2 gallon.
First I was not making a statement concerning the evils of alchohol. There are plenty of people who participate in alcohol consumption who don't have a problem with it. I was only indicating that it is in fact a drug. I used to drink and smoke. I smoked up to two packs ady and for a while a little more. I smoked from 1971 to 1990. When my children were young I gave up smoking in the hopes they never would.

I had a cigarette in northern Iraq in 1992 and some cigars in Southern Iraq in 2003.

I smoked pot from 1973 until 1982 when the military decided they did not want you doing that anymore. My requirement for a security clearance says it is a no-no to this day. Maybe when I retire.....

Now, what makes you think this is a much larger step than Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, CHIPS, Public Housing, SNAP, or any of he other programs? I mean there are plety of programs that are socialist in nature and larger than this current healthcare bill. Heck, less than 10 years ago the Republicans passed the Prescription benefit package and I don't recall many Republicans demonizing the socialism of the that program, do you?

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#137880 Jul 5, 2012
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>So which am I - blind, or lacking in self respect?
I don't think I'm either, but hey - I gotta be one or the other, right? So, which is it?
Lets hope for blind. The second part was "self respect AND brains."

Since: Nov 09

USA

#137881 Jul 5, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
I think Obama is a good president !
No one else will do any better !
I'll bet on that !
I made a bet that yer still a loon and with this post, I won my bet.

Since: Jun 08

Location hidden

#137882 Jul 5, 2012
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>So which am I - blind, or lacking in self respect?
I don't think I'm either, but hey - I gotta be one or the other, right? So, which is it?
Neither, but I do think you are confused. I remember the confusion when I was a liberal. One confuses giving people things as compassion. I still struggle with that today, especially with my children, not wanting to see them struggle like I did I want to make it easy for them, forgetting the pride associated with doing it yourself, finding a way.

Since: Nov 09

USA

#137883 Jul 5, 2012
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>In other words, when Congress wasn't bound and determined to declare war on the basis of another nation's assets.......
<quoted text>Yeah - and you probably think it's too bad America didn't purge or prosecute every person on Joe McCarthy's list, too.
But history and declassified materials have proved that McCarthy was right, about some of those who were doggedly defended by the left......

Since: Nov 09

USA

#137884 Jul 5, 2012
bad bob wrote:
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LOL!
Still a freakin' IDIOT (imo).
Heh heh heh.... That kinda idiot usually don't cure easily,'least not in one lifetime...

Since: Nov 09

USA

#137885 Jul 5, 2012
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>So do you or don't you agree with Thomas Jefferson, that when the government no longer serves the people, it must be overthrown?
I agree with Jefferson on that score...... but I don't think we are quite there yet.
Lost In Transition

Brewton, AL

#137886 Jul 5, 2012
Anonymous wrote:
<quoted text>
You will be very happy in the long run once Obamacare starts to take care of you all !
I assume you live in your mom and dad's basement?

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#137887 Jul 5, 2012
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>So which am I - blind, or lacking in self respect?
I don't think I'm either, but hey - I gotta be one or the other, right? So, which is it?
I respectfully decline to answer on the grounds that answering the question might pose undue risks to my health, safety, well-being or a combination thereof.

*runs*

“searching myself”

Since: Sep 09

In Charming CA

#137888 Jul 5, 2012
Roberta G wrote:
<quoted text>I respectfully decline to answer on the grounds that answering the question might pose undue risks to my health, safety, well-being or a combination thereof.
*runs*

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#137889 Jul 5, 2012
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Every opportunity? I don't notice him apologizing to Pakistan for siccing the Navy Seals on her pet fugitive,
Of course obama didn't apolize for the Seals killing Osama, it's something he needs to brag about to get elected.
shovelhead72 wrote:
or for putting someone as unattractive and classless as Michelle Obama in the position of First Lady of the United States.
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/023647naE...
Really, Michelle? Jackie O. would slap the crap out of you - I imagine so would Eleanor R. For shame.
Catty, very catty... but true. Billy Carter had more class.
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>I certainly hope not - but then I certainly hope Romney isn't either. I'd rather vote for Elmer Fudd.
A vote for anybody except Romney is a vote in support of obama. What can I say, I helped elect Clinton, twice.
shovelhead72 wrote:
<quoted text>Okay, I'm going to amend my original statement: I base [that assertion] on my personal contempt for Obama's plans and policies, regarding the execution of his duties as President. They all suck.
Better?
In this, we are in complete agreement. obama's policy and behavior as pResident have been disgraceful.

“Custer @ LBH - Ooops”

Since: Nov 07

Bakersfield, CA

#137890 Jul 5, 2012
Ds Higgins1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Heh heh heh.... That kinda idiot usually don't cure easily,'least not in one lifetime...
There was NO way possible this goofy canuck had ANY intention of
improvement.

But I'd take 10 like her over the hateful, vindictive okie biker b1tch anytime.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#137891 Jul 5, 2012
Lost In Transition wrote:
<quoted text>
I assume you live in your mom and dad's basement?
Either there, or over the garage.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#137892 Jul 5, 2012
okboston wrote:
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He is a politician wh took a loan from Countrywide but specfically asked for non-preferential treatment.
That would tend to indicate that preferential treatment was available wouldn't it/ And just like all politicians are liars.......
I said he did a good thing, it does not mean I trust him.
You said a good thing about Congressman Sessions, if you hadn't added the second sentence.

"I would like to commend Representative Sessions of Texas for requesting that he personally not receive preferential treatment. Though it does make you wonder what he did receive."

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#137893 Jul 5, 2012
WildWeirdWillie wrote:
<quoted text>So which am I - blind, or lacking in self respect?
I don't think I'm either, but hey - I gotta be one or the other, right? So, which is it?
I believe that I've mentioned your use of "obama blinders" TM on a few occasions.

“Unemployed Bush 5.3 obama 8.7”

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#137895 Jul 5, 2012
okboston wrote:
<quoted text>
It is your problem, not mine Bobin. I support holding teachers, schools, school systems and even entire states responsible for their performance in educating our future. Whether or not they are public or private provided they use tax dollars.
I think you agree with me up to here.
I support vouchers PROVIDED that those that accept vouchers are held to the same standards as public schools when it comes to test scores and standards.
You do not.
I would not force any institution to accept a voucher, but once they do it is my tax dollars at work just like it is with contractors working for the military.
Standards are good, and parents, not the government should determine what's acceptable for their child. You can usually trust parents, you can't trust the feds.

From the NY Times:

‘No Child’ Law Whittled Down by White House
By MOTOKO RICH, July 6, 2012

In just five months, the Obama administration has freed schools in more than half the nation from central provisions of the No Child Left Behind education law, raising the question of whether the decade-old federal program has been essentially nullified.

On Friday, the Department of Education plans to announce that it has granted waivers releasing two more states, Washington and Wisconsin, from some of the most onerous conditions of the signature Bush-era legislation. With this latest round, 26 states are now relieved from meeting the lofty — and controversial — goal of making all students proficient in reading and mathematics by 2014. Additional waivers are pending in 10 states and the District of Columbia.

“The more waivers there are, the less there really is a law, right?” said Andy Porter, dean of the University of Pennsylvania’s Graduate School of Education.

While No Child Left Behind has been praised for forcing schools to become more accountable for the education of poor and minority children, it has been derided for what some regard as an obsessive focus on test results, which has led to some notorious cheating scandals.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/education/n...

“2016 No Clinton No Bush!”

Since: Dec 06

Lafayette IN

#137896 Jul 6, 2012
lisw wrote:
<quoted text>Neither, but I do think you are confused. I remember the confusion when I was a liberal. One confuses giving people things as compassion. I still struggle with that today, especially with my children, not wanting to see them struggle like I did I want to make it easy for them, forgetting the pride associated with doing it yourself, finding a way.
I'm sure you'll be shocked when I tell you I disagree with this.

;-)

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#137897 Jul 6, 2012
BobinTX wrote:
<quoted text>
Standards are good, and parents, not the government should determine what's acceptable for their child. You can usually trust parents, you can't trust the feds.
From the NY Times:
‘No Child’ Law Whittled Down by White House
By MOTOKO RICH, July 6, 2012
In just five months, the Obama administration has freed schools in more than half the nation from central provisions of the No Child Left Behind education law, raising the question of whether the decade-old federal program has been essentially nullified.
On Friday, the Department of Education plans to announce that it has granted waivers releasing two more states, Washington and Wisconsin, from some of the most onerous conditions of the signature Bush-era legislation. With this latest round, 26 states are now relieved from meeting the lofty — and controversial — goal of making all students proficient in reading and mathematics by 2014. Additional waivers are pending in 10 states and the District of Columbia.
“The more waivers there are, the less there really is a law, right?” said Andy Porter, dean of the University of Pennsylvania’s Graduate School of Education.
While No Child Left Behind has been praised for forcing schools to become more accountable for the education of poor and minority children, it has been derided for what some regard as an obsessive focus on test results, which has led to some notorious cheating scandals.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/06/education/n...
Interesting point of view you have about trusting parents. So you would agree that giving a parent or parents money to raise their child (housing, food, clothing, education, health, etc....) is much more preferable than giving them money to raise their child AND setting some requirements for them to meet.

If that is not what you meant, now would be an excellent time to clear the air.

Why? Because those same parents are going to take vouchers and place their children in a school where the parent or parents are not properly equipped to evaluate that school. How is a parent who most likely did not graduate from HS and who most likely does not value education going to properly evaluate the education their child receives?

If you check you will find it was the states that went to the federal government asking for changes. Do you think the federal government should be telling the states what and how to do things?

(My personal belief is that the federal government should set a broad, achievable baseline standards which the states are free to tighten up on when they desire. It is my understanding of your belief set that essentially the federal government should stay out of it.)

Since: Aug 07

South Central Virginia

#137898 Jul 6, 2012
BobinTX wrote:
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..... With this latest round, 26 states are now relieved from meeting the lofty — and controversial — goal of making all students proficient in reading and mathematics by 2014.....
I had this conversation recently on another thread. It all boils down to what a person believes is the purpose of school (primary and secondary). There are a couple of choices.

1. The purpose of primary and secondary education is to prepare students for college.(Essentially what we attempt to do today for the vast majority of students.)

2. The purpose of primary and secondary schools is to prepare students for their life after primary and secondary education according to their abilities and desires.

The differences between the two are striking. But it allows you to arrive at an answer to the following: At what grade level should a secondary school graduate be capable of reading and writing, and performing mathematical problem solving proficiently?

If you see the purpose of school as 1 then the answer is a higher grade than if you think the purpose is 2. And then you have to realistically think about how many students are capable of achieving the standard you set realistically.

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