How long do Native Americans get a free ride

Created by outlaw1205 on Aug 28, 2008

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dorothy

Bremerton, WA

#4540 Apr 15, 2010
As for "intent" ... i had none. Only questions about our history & insight as to why we had not yet developed the wheel, etc. by the time Europeans "discovered" (hee hee) us. But you did make me meditate on "intent"...and i discovered my only intent upon waking up every morning is to see how i can get out of manual labor & just play all day exploring the Port Gamble/Hansville area (where i live)...Early Retirement is Da Bomb!
Danny Boy

United States

#4541 Apr 15, 2010
dorothy wrote:
I wasn't angry; I was laughing at the tangent you guys went off on!(oops! 2 prepositions.) Yes, we had an oral language for universal trading, BUT my question was about a WRITTEN one.(and Abugida was developed by early missionaries) I repeat (again): symbols/pictographs/hieroglyph ics do not count,(how would you like to go back to using them?!?) I'm glad the first illigal immigrants brought over the English alphabet...it's so much easier than what we were using; and opened up the way for us to enjoy all the wonderful literature from the Old World. Anyway, I think I'll just retract both questions of mine (the other was about the WHEEL)...as some of you are just too sensitive/embarrassed about the fact that (in the 1400's) we hadn't yet discovered the wheel and were way behind the Europeans in developing a writing system.
Obvious you have not seen your kids text on their cell phone before, it's all symbols or goofy ass abbreviations. I go through applications daily for employment and you would not believe how many kids today can not spell to save their butts (or they use text abbreviations,they have no social or people skills, yet feel they are "entitled". It makes no difference what race they are, the youth of today is being brought up as the "Generation of Entitlement". And we have created this by the very things this thread is arguing through, it is everyone's fault and you owe us.
dorothy

Bremerton, WA

#4542 Apr 15, 2010
"and you owe us" ... what do you mean by that?... what do we owe???...
(p.s. r u aware u got off the subject?)

Since: Apr 09

Omaha, NE

#4543 Apr 15, 2010
dorothy wrote:
I wasn't angry; I was laughing at the tangent you guys went off on!(oops! 2 prepositions.) Yes, we had an oral language for universal trading, BUT my question was about a WRITTEN one.(and Abugida was developed by early missionaries) I repeat (again): symbols/pictographs/hieroglyph ics do not count,(how would you like to go back to using them?!?) I'm glad the first illigal immigrants brought over the English alphabet...it's so much easier than what we were using; and opened up the way for us to enjoy all the wonderful literature from the Old World. Anyway, I think I'll just retract both questions of mine (the other was about the WHEEL)...as some of you are just too sensitive/embarrassed about the fact that (in the 1400's) we hadn't yet discovered the wheel and were way behind the Europeans in developing a writing system.
Why do you feel embarrassed about "symbols/ pictographs/ hieroglyphics"? Are you also ashamed of pre-Columbian architecture, agriculture, knowledge of the calendar, genetic engineering, irrigation, sanitation, personal hygiene, etc., etc., etc.? The "wonderful literature" from the "old world" was slanted, biased and self serving. The wheel you are so consumed by, was utilized in the western hemisphere, as desired. You, my dear Dot, should should quit trying to sound as though you are NA. "We hadn't yet discovered the wheel"? Or, perhaps you should throw off the boarding school training...
Bob Loblah

Edmonton, Canada

#4544 Apr 16, 2010
Danny Boy wrote:
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Obvious you have not seen your kids text on their cell phone before, it's all symbols or goofy ass abbreviations. I go through applications daily for employment and you would not believe how many kids today can not spell to save their butts (or they use text abbreviations,they have no social or people skills, yet feel they are "entitled". It makes no difference what race they are, the youth of today is being brought up as the "Generation of Entitlement". And we have created this by the very things this thread is arguing through, it is everyone's fault and you owe us.
16Apr10.....In one school in the UK recently, a student when asked who invented the telephone.....replied " Queen Elizabeth. " So you know what you are dealing with in today's world. Without their telephones, games and headphones this NEW generation would be unable to do anything. Good God......image sitting down in one's mother's basement 12 - 14 hours a day ----- every day staring into some scrfeen and twilling one's thumbs. Then heading off to a school and NOT being able to grasp and retain anything being taught. Our country is sure going to be left in safe hands. Not. Bob Loblah
dorothy

Bremerton, WA

#4545 Apr 16, 2010
pyr: I"M not embarrassed; what I said was "some" are. Jeez...read carefully please.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#4547 Apr 16, 2010
Katrina wrote:
Why are we disrespecting Native Americans?I come from a large family of white and Native decent and no one I know is getting a free ride at anything.Lets look whose on welfare 80% of recipients are Blacks and now illegals,Native Americans are the least of this countries problems any ways bottom line no one should be getting handouts regardless of race or nationality and anyone recieving them whose un deserving of it is crap.
LETS GET THE FACTS RIGHTS WHITE FEMALES GET MORE FOOD STAMP AND MONTHLY WELFARE CECKS THAN ANY ONE IN THIS COUNTRY AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE CLAIMING TO HAVE 16TH % INDIAN IN THEM SO THE CAN CLAIM CHECK IF YOU EVER SEE SOME OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE SAYING I AM NATIVE AMERICAN AND LOOK JUST AS WHITE AS CAN BE SO FOR ALL YOU WHITE AND SOME OF MY BLACK PEOPLE YOUR NOT NATIVE AMERICAN UNLESS YOU HAVE A MOTHER OF FATHER WO ARE NATIVE AMERICAN IF YOUR GREAT GREAT GRAND MOTHER WAS NATIVE ONE OF THEM OR MIXED DONT MAKE YOU TIERD OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND CLIAMING THERE NOT WHITE THERE NATIVE AMERICAN LIKE ITS A FAD NOW IF THIS WAS 100 YEARS YOU WOULD SAY IT THATS LIKE saying all italians are blacl because of Hanabalwho was a black man that conqured parts of italy and his army took white woman for luxury wake up
Trevor Swistchew

Teddington, UK

#4548 Apr 16, 2010
GODNASIR wrote:
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LETS GET THE FACTS RIGHTS WHITE FEMALES GET MORE FOOD STAMP AND MONTHLY WELFARE CECKS THAN ANY ONE IN THIS COUNTRY AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE CLAIMING TO HAVE 16TH % INDIAN IN THEM SO THE CAN CLAIM CHECK IF YOU EVER SEE SOME OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE SAYING I AM NATIVE AMERICAN AND LOOK JUST AS WHITE AS CAN BE SO FOR ALL YOU WHITE AND SOME OF MY BLACK PEOPLE YOUR NOT NATIVE AMERICAN UNLESS YOU HAVE A MOTHER OF FATHER WO ARE NATIVE AMERICAN IF YOUR GREAT GREAT GRAND MOTHER WAS NATIVE ONE OF THEM OR MIXED DONT MAKE YOU TIERD OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND CLIAMING THERE NOT WHITE THERE NATIVE AMERICAN LIKE ITS A FAD NOW IF THIS WAS 100 YEARS YOU WOULD SAY IT THATS LIKE saying all italians are blacl because of Hanabalwho was a black man that conqured parts of italy and his army took white woman for luxury wake up
Why hide your location?if you talk with honesty no reason to hide.

“Mess with me.”

Since: Dec 09

I like it.

#4550 Apr 16, 2010
GODNASIR wrote:
<quoted text>
LETS GET THE FACTS RIGHTS WHITE FEMALES GET MORE FOOD STAMP AND MONTHLY WELFARE CECKS THAN ANY ONE IN THIS COUNTRY AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE CLAIMING TO HAVE 16TH % INDIAN IN THEM SO THE CAN CLAIM CHECK IF YOU EVER SEE SOME OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE SAYING I AM NATIVE AMERICAN AND LOOK JUST AS WHITE AS CAN BE SO FOR ALL YOU WHITE AND SOME OF MY BLACK PEOPLE YOUR NOT NATIVE AMERICAN UNLESS YOU HAVE A MOTHER OF FATHER WO ARE NATIVE AMERICAN IF YOUR GREAT GREAT GRAND MOTHER WAS NATIVE ONE OF THEM OR MIXED DONT MAKE YOU TIERD OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND CLIAMING THERE NOT WHITE THERE NATIVE AMERICAN LIKE ITS A FAD NOW IF THIS WAS 100 YEARS YOU WOULD SAY IT THATS LIKE saying all italians are blacl because of Hanabalwho was a black man that conqured parts of italy and his army took white woman for luxury wake up
If you claim you're Native American, you have to be able to prove it. Just can't go in and say it and get benefits for it.
Curmudgeon

Evening Shade, AR

#4551 Apr 16, 2010
warchild wrote:
<quoted text>black people shouldn't get a damn thing. I grew up on the res, and now there's a casino there as well. I don't know where all the money goes, but my people haven't got any. As far as free ride...take a look at the destruction the English and blacks have caused in my native land. White men killed the buffalo to starve my ancestors and replaced them with nasty cows. Buffalo are very healthy, taste great, and require little care compared to cattle. As far as free rides, my great great grandmother was gang raped and murdered by the U.S. Army. Her sister was raped and beheaded, as well as other people from my tribe that were tortuted and slaughtered. Cutting warriors fingers and penis's off before they scalped them and shot them. All of you English and African people out there think this is your land.....it is not. Why don't you people go to a reservation and talk to some Native Americans so you can find out how stupid, cruel, callous, and evil your ancestors are.
Yep and your indian ancestors slow coooked folks white captives both sides commited evil deeds . both sides broke treaties. All those bad folks are DEAD AND GONE. It has nothing to do with the here and now.

Since: Apr 09

Omaha, NE

#4553 Apr 16, 2010
dorothy wrote:
You know very well what I meant by "Writing"...like with an alphabet & no pictographs. But you went off on a tangent attacking what the Europeans "hadn't discovered yet!" Stop taking it personally. Stop being so sensitive. This is not a contest; but my honest quest for understanding American history. P.S. Aborginals = natives of America, both North and South. I am one myself but probably only 3/4 because the Spaniards in the SW did some "serious" socializing...hope you know what I mean by THAT!
O.K., I've calmed down a bit. "Civilization" seems to be defined, among other criteria, as having a written language. Pictographs, etc. seem to be considered "outside the box". As is khipu. But by whose standards? Last time I checked, the European rocket scientists had not yet deciphered the 3 dimensional knots, which were more sophisticated even than the Sumerian cuneiform. Then there were the code talkers who saved America's ass... Who is to define what civilization is? In my opinion, the people of the western hemisphere were light years ahead of their eastern counterparts. I would suggest you read 1491, by Charles C. Mann. I am convinced of the intellectual, social, political, agricultural, engineering skills, etc., etc., etc., superiority of the "Indians".

Since: Apr 09

Omaha, NE

#4554 Apr 16, 2010
Curmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> Yep and your indian ancestors slow coooked folks white captives both sides commited evil deeds . both sides broke treaties. All those bad folks are DEAD AND GONE. It has nothing to do with the here and now.
Put down the beer, learn English, and read a history book. Idiot. Or better yet, just go find some other topic to insult. Like, the catholic priests and their insatiable appetite for children.

Since: Apr 09

Omaha, NE

#4555 Apr 16, 2010
warchild wrote:
<quoted text>black people shouldn't get a damn thing. I grew up on the res, and now there's a casino there as well. I don't know where all the money goes, but my people haven't got any. As far as free ride...take a look at the destruction the English and blacks have caused in my native land. White men killed the buffalo to starve my ancestors and replaced them with nasty cows. Buffalo are very healthy, taste great, and require little care compared to cattle. As far as free rides, my great great grandmother was gang raped and murdered by the U.S. Army. Her sister was raped and beheaded, as well as other people from my tribe that were tortuted and slaughtered. Cutting warriors fingers and penis's off before they scalped them and shot them. All of you English and African people out there think this is your land.....it is not. Why don't you people go to a reservation and talk to some Native Americans so you can find out how stupid, cruel, callous, and evil your ancestors are.
White people are x-tians, largely. They have no idea what "moral" behavior is. Or even "common sense". Your casino money must be going to legal expenses. Try to find out. Often left out of consideration is the fact that,(other than Euro diseases, the invaders imported malaria and yellow fever from Africa) aside from the physical and cultural attempted genocide done to the indigenous, and their land, the legal injustices are quite costly to pursue.

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#4557 Apr 17, 2010
MPMARTIN wrote:
OUTLAW1205,
Free ride?? Ok, how about the white mans soldiers come along and take you and your family from your home and stick you on some arid, litterbox piece of land and tell you that's it.
and then realize that they want to dig up all kinds of stuff from the ground beneath you (ie gold silver coal oil uranium) and continue to shove you around and contaminate your air water land & food in the process

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#4558 Apr 17, 2010
Curmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> both sides commited evil deeds . both sides broke treaties. All those bad folks are DEAD AND GONE. It has nothing to do with the here and now.
Nope - it's still goin on

http://www.can-do.org/crowCreek.php...
Dreamcatcher

Campbellsville, KY

#4560 Apr 17, 2010
warchild wrote:
<quoted text>the illegal immigrants from south of the border are treated better than we were on the res. Just more slimy trash polluting my peoples land. They get paid not to speak english. Funny that my people all had to learn to speak the white man's tongue. No one was giving welfare checks to Indians for not speaking English.
Thank you. I could not have said it better.

Native Americans were PROMISED but did not receive.

Since: Apr 09

Omaha, NE

#4563 Apr 17, 2010
When De Soto came here in the early 16th century he saw hordes of people but did not mention seeing a single bison. A century later La Salle came to the same area and declared it void of people, but encountered bison everywhere. European disease had wiped out the managers of the herds, and buffalo population exploded. Along with many other previously managed species. 2/3 of this country was agricultural prior to the invasion from the east. Think about it. Millions of buffalo running across millions of acres of maize, squash and beans, as well as villages, could not have happened. The history we are taught is mostly incorrect.

“Not My Fault”

Since: Jun 09

Outside of Reality

#4564 Apr 17, 2010
whats going on wrote:
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WEll, I can see that you're texts are a little out of date as well. You might want to dust off your European history books too (if you've ever actually read them). Europeans have had technology for well over 7,000 years (there are Balkan sites which prove this). They've had Agriculture for close to 10,000 years (due to Middle eastern or "Mediterranean" gene flow, that makes up roughly HALF of European DNA). As I've said before, the land bridge theory was never completely "ruled out," as you so hastily stated. Now, there have been some other "theories" proposed (such as those that ANCIENT Native Americans were part European), but there's never been any proof of that. The closest GENETIC ties that Ancient Natives (mostly North American) & Europeans have, is the X haplogroup. Now, it's well known that Upper Paleolithic ("Ice Age" Cro Magnon) Europeans and Siberian/central Asian related ppls interacted; maybe they mixed, and their offspring crossed the strait, I don't know. It's more likely though, that the X haplogroup represents some ancient split between Eurasian groups. It's well known that the upper Asian climate ( from the eastern fringes of central asia, to Japan was a cold, dry climate). Europe was a cold DAMP climate. Maybe some proto-Asian X haplogroup carries strattled BOTH climates (and developed features that would be indicative of both Asians & Europeans). It's hard to say. Native Americans (especially plains natives) do exhibit some features that are similar to those in ancient Cro Magnons. It's also possible that they descended from ancient Ainu-related ppls (in which they also have soem halpgroups in common). Either way, they are/were still a seperate ppl. Yes, it's possible ... plausible really, that multiple migrations were made to the Americas by several different groups. The landbridge WAS a definite means of migration though (migration still occurs today-though by boat- by Siberian-Asians & their Aluetian relatives across the strait.)
You seem to know a little about this subect. Interesting; as this is one of my favorite subjects. Tell me, do you think or has it ever been speculated as to why these groups might have migrated. For example geologic disaster, climatic or political-social reasons. Were they ran out so to speak. I beleive there is a lot more to the peopling of this hemisphere than we will ever know. Being 1/4 Tuscarora have interest.
Bob Loblah

Edmonton, Canada

#4565 Apr 17, 2010
GODNASIR wrote:
<quoted text>
LETS GET THE FACTS RIGHTS WHITE FEMALES GET MORE FOOD STAMP AND MONTHLY WELFARE CECKS THAN ANY ONE IN THIS COUNTRY AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE CLAIMING TO HAVE 16TH % INDIAN IN THEM SO THE CAN CLAIM CHECK IF YOU EVER SEE SOME OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE SAYING I AM NATIVE AMERICAN AND LOOK JUST AS WHITE AS CAN BE SO FOR ALL YOU WHITE AND SOME OF MY BLACK PEOPLE YOUR NOT NATIVE AMERICAN UNLESS YOU HAVE A MOTHER OF FATHER WO ARE NATIVE AMERICAN IF YOUR GREAT GREAT GRAND MOTHER WAS NATIVE ONE OF THEM OR MIXED DONT MAKE YOU TIERD OF THESE WHITE PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND CLIAMING THERE NOT WHITE THERE NATIVE AMERICAN LIKE ITS A FAD NOW IF THIS WAS 100 YEARS YOU WOULD SAY IT THATS LIKE saying all italians are blacl because of Hanabalwho was a black man that conqured parts of italy and his army took white woman for luxury wake up
17Apr10....we need you to back up your statements with factrs. Do you know how to obtain references and then how to use them. Very important. Ps: there are also blacks in the White House. Not.....only 50% black. Bob Loblah
Bob Loblah

Edmonton, Canada

#4566 Apr 17, 2010
warchild wrote:
<quoted text>black people shouldn't get a damn thing. I grew up on the res, and now there's a casino there as well. I don't know where all the money goes, but my people haven't got any. As far as free ride...take a look at the destruction the English and blacks have caused in my native land. White men killed the buffalo to starve my ancestors and replaced them with nasty cows. Buffalo are very healthy, taste great, and require little care compared to cattle. As far as free rides, my great great grandmother was gang raped and murdered by the U.S. Army. Her sister was raped and beheaded, as well as other people from my tribe that were tortuted and slaughtered. Cutting warriors fingers and penis's off before they scalped them and shot them. All of you English and African people out there think this is your land.....it is not. Why don't you people go to a reservation and talk to some Native Americans so you can find out how stupid, cruel, callous, and evil your ancestors are.
17Apr10......your ancestors LOST THE WAR......and their descendents ( including you ) just have NOT been able to get over it. Bob Loblah

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