How long do Native Americans get a fr...

How long do Native Americans get a free ride

Created by outlaw1205 on Aug 28, 2008

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Since: Mar 08

Duncan, OK

#25 Sep 3, 2008
Ann wrote:
A 16th is a drop which means you were not raised in an Indian home, but a whiteone. You have a white mindset.
Discussion over, your white!
Casinos, what about Las Vegas? Sheesh! Pretending again, what's new! FYI, the Indians do not recieve the revenues the major crime organizers do! Maybe your familia? Eh?
Yep, the white people controlling the goods again!
Actually I am a 16th indian... have no idea what tribe nor do I really care... and no one can have a Casino but indians?? Whats up with that. I have no doubt the Native Americans were done wrong by our great great grand parents but why do our youth have to suffer.
I wished we had some organized crime around here so that someone could compete with the indians, at least they might pay some taxes or put some back into the comunity. What about Vegas, if you look at what I said, I was talking about Oklahoma.

Since: Mar 08

Duncan, OK

#26 Sep 3, 2008
Ann wrote:
At least Indian women don't have to expose body parts for customers like the white women love to do!
Who are the real drugged up Jezabels here? It's everywhere! Nasty!
They won't have crap. They'll have a bunch of drunken red skins running casinos for people who aren't there anymore.
I don't know about where you live but all the ones around here I thank god they don't expose themselves... that would be a lot of exposure!

Since: Mar 08

Duncan, OK

#27 Sep 3, 2008
MPL wrote:
That being said, the Navajo Wind Talkers were extremely valuable WWII and Native Americans serve in the military more often than any other ethnic group. How many people can say that? Indians are still brave fighters. Gotta give credit where it is due. Even if they do tend to eat Peyote alot.
And they did take a valuable lesson from the Italians when they opened Casinos. They are smart, gotta give em that. Maybe we'll see an Indian Sam Giancana soon?
I do agree with you on that MPL they like all of our men and women did a great job in WWII and all of the other conflicts

Since: Mar 08

Duncan, OK

#28 Sep 3, 2008
taddeebar wrote:
The Native Americans did live in this country long before anyone else.
When there "New Americans had gotten tired of the Genocide, they forced the Native Americans into signing Treaties; many of which were not honored by the United States.
Those Treaties though did promise that for as long as the sun rose and set certain things would happen.
Why is it some people cannot honor promises that were made in their name?
I agree the Native Americans were lied to and treat terrible, but that was long ago, where does it end?
Abraham

Green Bay, WI

#29 Sep 3, 2008
what are you talking about?

you mean those Sovereign Nations,
which could require visitors to use passports to enter their territory if they wanted to.

And can make their own foreign policy treaties with Russia or whomever they wanted to, if they wanted to.

I believe the treaties of most Sovereign Nations with the US has the US taking care of stuff such as defense, so their is no need for them to have a standing army.

is there ever a need for any people to have a standing army?
MPL

Fayetteville, NC

#30 Sep 3, 2008
taddeebar wrote:
The Native Americans did live in this country long before anyone else.
When there "New Americans had gotten tired of the Genocide, they forced the Native Americans into signing Treaties; many of which were not honored by the United States.
Those Treaties though did promise that for as long as the sun rose and set certain things would happen.
Why is it some people cannot honor promises that were made in their name?
Single celled-microorganisms were on this land before anyone else. But us damn mammals stole their land! Damn us all! Yeah, you too Bear, ya land stealer! No Kibbles 'n Bits for you!

Since: Aug 08

foothills outside of Denver

#31 Sep 5, 2008
outlaw1205 wrote:
<quoted text>I agree the Native Americans were lied to and treat terrible, but that was long ago, where does it end?
How long does a countries promise mean anything.

Is that why Republicans believe that torture is ok, because the treaty was signed a while ago.

Maybe thats why the Constitution is being trampled by Republicans, because those rights were granted "long ago". When you personally promise something, like staying faithful to your wife, do you have some internal clock that says that the promise was made long enough ago. Even though when you made the promise, you didn't have the clause " I will stay faithful you, but only until it has been a long time?"
So maybe this shows the character of the people that think that this country should not keep its promises.

Since: Aug 08

foothills outside of Denver

#32 Sep 5, 2008
MPL wrote:
<quoted text>
Single celled-microorganisms were on this land before anyone else. But us damn mammals stole their land! Damn us all! Yeah, you too Bear, ya land stealer! No Kibbles 'n Bits for you!
OK when exactly did we sign a treaty with the Single celled-microorganisms?
you surely can't claim that people and Single celled-microorganisms are the same and that we need to extend human rights and protections to them do you. Thats would be extreme even for a PETA fanatic to claim.

Since: Mar 08

Duncan, OK

#33 Sep 5, 2008
taddeebar wrote:
The Native Americans did live in this country long before anyone else.
When there "New Americans had gotten tired of the Genocide, they forced the Native Americans into signing Treaties; many of which were not honored by the United States.
Those Treaties though did promise that for as long as the sun rose and set certain things would happen.
Why is it some people cannot honor promises that were made in their name?
First off, I doubt very seriously that anyone had a clue at that time what the world would turn into and in the 21st century what would be involved. I think I would be ashamed of taking handouts such as medical care, free housing, tuition etc as long as it has been going on. Esspecially seeing the shape that some of the states were in that had a large indian population ie:Okla. How many jobs have been lost due to the indians undercutting the tobacco market and the tax revenue that Oklahoma has lost because of the indians selling cigarettes without tax stamps. I haven't personally read any of the treaties that you are speaking of but I doubt there in anything about indian smoke shops and casino in there. I am a 16th and I know tons of people that are less than me and get all the benifits including car tags and all the other fringe benifits.

Since: Mar 08

Duncan, OK

#34 Sep 5, 2008
mic8369 wrote:
why should anybody get a free ride, everyone needs to work and get things on their own to survive
AMEN!! Everyone is a American without the prefix. Everyone should pay taxes and work just like everyone else. Just like any other race there are Indians that work hard but like everyother race there are some that six on their back side and wait for the checks to come in.
MPL

Fayetteville, NC

#35 Sep 5, 2008
taddeebar wrote:
<quoted text>
OK when exactly did we sign a treaty with the Single celled-microorganisms?
you surely can't claim that people and Single celled-microorganisms are the same and that we need to extend human rights and protections to them do you. Thats would be extreme even for a PETA fanatic to claim.
I was obviously being a bit of a smart ass, but at the same time pointing out the obsurdity of claiming that one group of organisms-be it a type of mammal or a certain race of human-has some divine claim to a landmass. To put it very bluntly: the land belonged to whoever had the most Winchesters.

ANd the treaties who not always broken why the Colonists and Americans. Often times the Indain Nations would raid white settlements or migrate into territroy that was outside of their treaty boundaries. For example: after Navajo Chief Barboncito signed a treaty with General Sherman allowing the Navajo to live on their native country, Barboncito had to spend the better part of the rest of his life as Chief riding out to catch up with Navajo braves about to go on raids against white settlements and convince them-often times very forcibly-not to do so. We have a habbit of taking an extreme, one-sided view of things. While the old time view of Indians as cold-blooded savages is one-sided, the modernist view of Indians as innocent bystanders and whites as treacherous murderers is also very one-sided and generally inaccurate.

Since: Aug 08

foothills outside of Denver

#36 Sep 8, 2008
outlaw1205 wrote:
<quoted text>First off, I doubt very seriously that anyone had a clue at that time what the world would turn into and in the 21st century what would be involved. I think I would be ashamed of taking handouts such as medical care, free housing, tuition etc as long as it has been going on. Esspecially seeing the shape that some of the states were in that had a large indian population ie:Okla. How many jobs have been lost due to the indians undercutting the tobacco market and the tax revenue that Oklahoma has lost because of the indians selling cigarettes without tax stamps. I haven't personally read any of the treaties that you are speaking of but I doubt there in anything about indian smoke shops and casino in there. I am a 16th and I know tons of people that are less than me and get all the benifits including car tags and all the other fringe benifits.
The excuse that a promise was made a long time ago and that because thing have changed does not mean that you can simply ignore the promise.
You may have a case that you may want to renegociate the treaty; but it should be done fairly; not strong armed

Since: Mar 08

Duncan, OK

#37 Sep 8, 2008
taddeebar wrote:
<quoted text>
The excuse that a promise was made a long time ago and that because thing have changed does not mean that you can simply ignore the promise.
You may have a case that you may want to renegociate the treaty; but it should be done fairly; not strong armed
Yes I agree, lets negociate the situation.. you should work for what you get just like everyone else! You don't get anything for free and you have to obide by the same tax laws as everyone else! Sounds fair to me.
ribbon

UK

#38 Sep 8, 2008
RiverSpirit wrote:
Hey, bonehead. We were here long before you white eyes ever were. We'll be here long after you leave.
well said riverspirit

and how dare they say "free ride"
ironhead21

Bellevue, NE

#39 Sep 22, 2008
In the 2040, you white people will be the minority.
Rex

United States

#40 Sep 23, 2008
Until they can hack it on their own.
Figure on them living on welfare forever.
Lori

Port Saint Lucie, FL

#41 Sep 23, 2008
We killed most of their people. We destroyed their land, their culture and way of life. We could learn a few things from them such as take only what is needed from the land. We are greedy and never satisfied till everything is destroyed. I am married to a native american. I have great respect for their people. I have learned to live in the moment and trust God. I am at peace in nature. I'm not sure if you call what they got as a free ride or I'd call it more like genocide. Peace

“No time like the present”

Since: Jul 08

to make it happen!

#42 Sep 23, 2008
Lori wrote:
We killed most of their people. We destroyed their land, their culture and way of life. We could learn a few things from them such as take only what is needed from the land. We are greedy and never satisfied till everything is destroyed. I am married to a native american. I have great respect for their people. I have learned to live in the moment and trust God. I am at peace in nature. I'm not sure if you call what they got as a free ride or I'd call it more like genocide. Peace
Another white apologist! "We" didn't do a damn thing. Some boneheads 150 years ago did. It's not my responsibility to pay for their misjudgment and bad deeds. That's crazy talk.
NATIVE GIRL CALLING

AOL

#43 Sep 23, 2008
Dr_Dirty wrote:
End it now....and I'm 1/4 Chippewa (sp) from Wisconsin. Indians weren't native to this land any more than Europeans were. We all immigrated to the americas.
Now having said that, if every country were to give reparations to every conquered country throughout all history, what kind of a mess would that be?
And besides, the indians are getting it all back in spades with thier casinos...so why the bitchin' and moanin'?
Free rides are free no matter whom...
NATIVE GIRL CALLING

AOL

#44 Sep 23, 2008
You'd think so, that all natives are collecting from their tribes.

There is Native tribe in the southwest which is huge but this tribe will not share their profits with its members.

But many tribes do share the money with its tribal members.

So yes, even natives or tribes can get stingey with money.

Think of it this way, no one can be off limits to how money can corrupt your soul.

However, I think if you come here and you find natives and the Founding Fathers enter into a lifetime agreement as long as the nation of America survives, then that understanding was the intent of the agreement between the Washington Fathers and of those tribes where monetary payment was made in exchange for all the land confiscated from said tribes.

It appears that the Founding Fathers had no intent to leave this land ever to return to their ancestral homes and therefore relinquished those family ties rather forever.

Knowing of their intent to sever ties and wanting all the lands here on the North American continent meant to the Founding Fathers that they were willing to not just steal the land but at least offer some payment to the tribes.

Even if you think about the situation that the Founding Fathers paid far less than the lands actual value. So in essence, the Founding Fathers found themselves in a greater financial position to pay less than the real actual value of the land. If the Founding Fathers actually paid the real value of what the land was worth then they could not afford it in one large payment. Therefore, the reasoning behind entering into agreements with the tribes.

But if the same land were purchased at true cost of actual land costs as paid for in England then such a deal between the tribes would not have made it affordable to acquire and own in the new land of America.

So did the natives get ripped off? Maybe? But that is water under the bridge.

Did the Founding Fathers really mean to pay on a said permanent agreement between the USA government and the tribes? Yes. It seems that the Founding Fathers were willing to enter into a permanent agreement because of the expansive opportunities to open up the west to all U.S.A. citizens. If you have more infrastructure it can only mean more and bigger economies for the U.S.A. If you vision those long term outcomes into the future of the U.S.A. the potential to make a killing was worth signing those agreements between the U.S.A. government and tribes.

Why? If those tribal agreements meant something else then we would have all known by now. It is therefore, quite evident that the Founding Fathers intentions meant as long at the United States of American stood on solid ground and in remained in existence as the United States of America.

In fact, the land value far exceeds what value and worth when paid out or payments that go to tribes.

But if you remember there was a greedy Jew like Jack Abrahamoff who created his own ponsi scheme or ponzi scheme to rip off the native american.

He said they deserved to be ripped off because they were just down right stupid.

Or was Jack just a little overboard about money. It might be the idea of I can have it all and so why not steal.

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