HOMELESSNESS:should U.S. build homes ...
typical US citizen

Santa Ana, CA

#686 Mar 12, 2007
In Los Angeles, the homeless people are destroying the efforts to upgrade our downtown. Investors are reluctant to buy condos and loft apartments because of the homeless people in the area. Some areas stink of urine and other body waste and grocery carts filled with trash and debris line the sidewalks.

While conducting business in downtown Los Angeles, I had to walk pass a lot of homeless and I can tell the smell is disgusting. I don’t think that the property owners and the tax payers should have to put up with the obvious destruction of their property values and their quality of life.

In my opinion, a law should be passed making it criminal to urinate and sleep on sidewalks and on private property like store fronts and entries. Plus, it should be permissible for the property owners to file suit against the city for allowing such deplorable action to occur with penalty or punishment.

I don’t think it is fair that the people of Los Angeles should be saddled with the cost of providing for the homeless. It is our climate that attracts so many people. It is not our fault that they arrive here with no financial means to take care of themselves. If they cannot afford to provide for themselves, they should go back to their families.

“OKC Computers”

Since: Feb 07

Oklahoma City

#687 Mar 12, 2007
Great topic.

With the money that our government spends in Iraq and on money waisting programs to help ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS (ssi,healthcare etc) We COULD build houses for every homeless person/family in America. THAT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO..THE MORAL THING AND IT SOULD BE A DRIVING GOAL FOR OUR GOVERNMENT.

PUT AMERICANS FIRST.

Since: Feb 07

Elk River, MN

#688 Mar 12, 2007
DFWgirl,

Thanks for the reply,

I agree, the governmental band-aid just isn't cutting it anymore. we seem to behind about 20 years or so with help programs... But what else is new. We need to change the way we look at poverty in this country or we'll be in for a big surprise. How much studying have you done on these issues? What is being done in Texas.

I am in the center of a small shake-up in my city. I am in a small group that is trying to bring these issues to the forefront and get some programs started here. we are working on temporary emergency shelter, a community outreach night, and some transitional housing for a little longer term. Do you have any suggestions?

Since: Mar 07

Carmel Valley, CA

#689 Mar 12, 2007
The thing is we do build homeless people homes.There are so many groups out there to help people out of the muck,I worked for one before i moved here last fall.You can build homes and provide help until doomsday but if people don't use or missuse the help there isn't much you can do.Regardless you got to keep trying.My organisation was funded and ran by a broad range of groups from churches to capitol hill veterans and they did an incredible job.trust me there are plenty of people willing to give the shirt off thier back from the far left to the far right.
The war isn't the reason we have homeless,the real issues starts in the home,hearts, and minds of people.And how willing and selfless the people rendering aid can be.It is not something you can just throw money at.It takes everything you have How much of you life would you sacrifice for to help someone else live.
Marine Engineer

Englewood Cliffs, NJ

#690 Mar 12, 2007
I have always wanted to do this, and maybe someday I can. With the closure of military bases throughout the USA there remains many facilities that can provide housing for thousands of the homeless. To reside there each person would be assigned a given task to make the community work. Be it a cook, grounds keeper, laundry person, house keeping, or whatever. Each individual would contribute to the welfare of the community. They would have an address to recieve mail, checks or whatever. Of course the community would have to be monitored to insure drugs, alcohol, and other activities do not undermine the intent of the facilities. It could be self governing with outside supervision to make sure it all works.

Since: Mar 07

Carmel Valley, CA

#691 Mar 12, 2007
an observer wrote:
The elected new leader of the Christian Coalition turned down the job when the internal powers would not go along with his expantion of the policy platform to include ecology and poverty. It is way past due for a real and meaningful attack against poverty in this greatest of nations. With the money spent in Iraq each of the 1.5 milliion homeless people in this country could be living in a new modest home with washers and dryers. It's the right thing to do, it's the moral thing to do, and it is the Christian thing to do. I believe that being homeless is the most despairing life one can live. The most humiliating. The most degrading and dangerous life one could ever live. No one chooses to be homeless and the time has come to stop the plight of these poor helpless people. Imaginge yourself sleeping under a highway overpass, or on a park bench or behind some bushes at an office building and if you are honest you will have to admit that no one should have to live that kind of life.
You would be amazed at how many people do choose to be homeless.It's a nice dream to think that goverment subsidies will save the world,but not reality.There are former senate workers who live on the streets.There are some people who couldn't carry the weight of life who choose homelessness for it's freedom.i know them,i have talked to them,laughed with them, and fed them.If you really want to do something go out there and rescue these poor people,it's not money that will save them it's knowing people are willing to lay down their lives for them and give them a reason to look up and seek hope.Alot of them started out just like you.....
DFWgirl

United States

#693 Mar 12, 2007
typical US citizen wrote:
In Los Angeles, the homeless people are destroying the efforts to upgrade our downtown. Investors are reluctant to buy condos and loft apartments because of the homeless people in the area. Some areas stink of urine and other body waste and grocery carts filled with trash and debris line the sidewalks.
While conducting business in downtown Los Angeles, I had to walk pass a lot of homeless and I can tell the smell is disgusting. I don’t think that the property owners and the tax payers should have to put up with the obvious destruction of their property values and their quality of life.
In my opinion, a law should be passed making it criminal to urinate and sleep on sidewalks and on private property like store fronts and entries. Plus, it should be permissible for the property owners to file suit against the city for allowing such deplorable action to occur with penalty or punishment.
I don’t think it is fair that the people of Los Angeles should be saddled with the cost of providing for the homeless. It is our climate that attracts so many people. It is not our fault that they arrive here with no financial means to take care of themselves. If they cannot afford to provide for themselves, they should go back to their families.
If the city recognizes that they exist then the city will have to be responsible for taking care of them....it's called the dirty elephant in the corner. Everyone knows it's there but people don't want to look at it because they will have to clean it. What you are witnessing is years and years of the elephant sitting. LA particularly has had a habit of doing this, just like ignoring
Compton. You are seeing the chickens coming home to roost. LA is reaping what it has sown.

Since: Feb 07

Elk River, MN

#694 Mar 12, 2007
crusade wrote:
The thing is we do build homeless people homes.There are so many groups out there to help people out of the muck,I worked for one before i moved here last fall.You can build homes and provide help until doomsday but if people don't use or missuse the help there isn't much you can do.Regardless you got to keep trying.My organisation was funded and ran by a broad range of groups from churches to capitol hill veterans and they did an incredible job.trust me there are plenty of people willing to give the shirt off thier back from the far left to the far right.
The war isn't the reason we have homeless,the real issues starts in the home,hearts, and minds of people.And how willing and selfless the people rendering aid can be.It is not something you can just throw money at.It takes everything you have How much of you life would you sacrifice for to help someone else live.
Great comments,
That really is the heart of the issue, how much time, sweat, blood, pain, etc... are you willing to give. Many people seem to think that throwing money at these issues are the end of the problem, although money needs to be given, that is a minor part of the fix. I commend your efforts and all you have done. Keep up the good work and give suggestions if you have any. As I said, we are in the beginning stages of bringing attention here in my community and offering programs with some real help for changing lives, not enabling.

Thanks again

Since: Feb 07

Elk River, MN

#695 Mar 12, 2007
Marine Engineer wrote:
I have always wanted to do this, and maybe someday I can. With the closure of military bases throughout the USA there remains many facilities that can provide housing for thousands of the homeless. To reside there each person would be assigned a given task to make the community work. Be it a cook, grounds keeper, laundry person, house keeping, or whatever. Each individual would contribute to the welfare of the community. They would have an address to recieve mail, checks or whatever. Of course the community would have to be monitored to insure drugs, alcohol, and other activities do not undermine the intent of the facilities. It could be self governing with outside supervision to make sure it all works.
What a great idea. I say go for it! I have been looking into buying older apartment buildings too for the same purposes.
IDIOT ONE

Carencro, LA

#696 Mar 12, 2007
Its great ideas its govt bureacracry that we have to due with. Maybe if private/public work together possibilty we can accomplish something.

Since: Feb 07

Elk River, MN

#697 Mar 12, 2007
crusade wrote:
<quoted text>
You would be amazed at how many people do choose to be homeless.It's a nice dream to think that goverment subsidies will save the world,but not reality.There are former senate workers who live on the streets.There are some people who couldn't carry the weight of life who choose homelessness for it's freedom.i know them,i have talked to them,laughed with them, and fed them.If you really want to do something go out there and rescue these poor people,it's not money that will save them it's knowing people are willing to lay down their lives for them and give them a reason to look up and seek hope.Alot of them started out just like you.....
So true...just because someone chooses to be homeless doesn't mean that they are making that choice with a right mind. There are so many levels of mental disorders and drug addictions that play a part in everyday lives of the homeless and houseless people we meet everyday. If a person is on the street by choice do we leave them when they are in need? We have animal shelters that pick up stray dogs from the street and take them to a place where they can get basic needs, and we ignore our fellow human beings to a point that we let them eat out of garbage cans. I know I have made lots of bad choices in my life, and it would be terrible if my very existence was dependent on those choices, and no one was there to help, but judged me every day.
IDIOT ONE

Carencro, LA

#698 Mar 12, 2007
Marine Engineer wrote:
I have always wanted to do this, and maybe someday I can. With the closure of military bases throughout the USA there remains many facilities that can provide housing for thousands of the homeless. To reside there each person would be assigned a given task to make the community work. Be it a cook, grounds keeper, laundry person, house keeping, or whatever. Each individual would contribute to the welfare of the community. They would have an address to recieve
mail, checks or whatever. Of course the community would have to be monitored to insure drugs, alcohol, and other activities do not undermine the intent of the facilities. It could be self governing with outside supervision to make sure it all works.
Sounds Very Good, a self-supported community! When will you start? Do you have Business Plan?
DFWgirl

United States

#699 Mar 12, 2007
Matthew25 34-40 wrote:
DFWgirl,
Thanks for the reply,
I agree, the governmental band-aid just isn't cutting it anymore. we seem to behind about 20 years or so with help programs... But what else is new. We need to change the way we look at poverty in this country or we'll be in for a big surprise. How much studying have you done on these issues? What is being done in Texas.
I am in the center of a small shake-up in my city. I am in a small group that is trying to bring these issues to the forefront and get some programs started here. we are working on temporary emergency shelter, a community outreach night, and some transitional housing for a little longer term. Do you have any suggestions?
As I have said before, the most effective methods have not been in only housing but in transporation, medical help, etc. For example,m most of the homeless people with mental illness can be very productive members but the access of quality medical attention is limited. Look at homelessness on a multifaceted level. I love grassroots projects. I thinks some of the strongest foundations have been started though grassroots. God Bless.
typical US citizen

Santa Ana, CA

#700 Mar 12, 2007
DFWgirl wrote:
<quoted text>
If the city recognizes that they exist then the city will have to be responsible for taking care of them....it's called the dirty elephant in the corner. Everyone knows it's there but people don't want to look at it because they will have to clean it. What you are witnessing is years and years of the elephant sitting. LA particularly has had a habit of doing this, just like ignoring
Compton. You are seeing the chickens coming home to roost. LA is reaping what it has sown.
The City did go out to clean up the mess. They hooked of pressure hoses to wash away the stench and debris but were stopped by advocates for the homeless. Sometimes if feels as though the City is being run by idiots.

The Catholic Church that provides food for the homeless in Downtown Los Angeles should be responsible for providing a place for them to urinate and sleep. If you feed a stray animal it will returns to the area where it was fed. The same is true with the homeless. They can be found where there are free food kitchens.

Take away the incentive that attracts the homeless and hopefully, they will leave the area.

http://santamonica310.tribe.net/thread/9bd183...
typical US citizen

Santa Ana, CA

#701 Mar 12, 2007
-- Two typos—

The City did go out to clean up the mess. They hooked of pressure hoses to wash away the stench and debris but were stopped by advocates for the homeless. Sometimes it feels as though the City is being run by idiots.

It’s the Catholic Church that provides food for the homeless in Downtown Los Angeles should be responsible for providing a place for them to urinate and sleep. If you feed a stray animal it will returns to the area where it was fed. The same is true with the homeless. They can be found where there are free food kitchens.

Take away the incentive that attracts the homeless and they will leave the area.

http://santamonica310.tribe.net/thread/9bd183...
DFWgirl

United States

#702 Mar 12, 2007
typical US citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
The City did go out to clean up the mess. They hooked of pressure hoses to wash away the stench and debris but were stopped by advocates for the homeless. Sometimes if feels as though the City is being run by idiots.
The Catholic Church that provides food for the homeless in Downtown Los Angeles should be responsible for providing a place for them to urinate and sleep. If you feed a stray animal it will returns to the area where it was fed. The same is true with the homeless. They can be found where there are free food kitchens.
Take away the incentive that attracts the homeless and hopefully, they will leave the area.
http://santamonica310.tribe.net/thread/9bd183...
I don't think the City is run by idiots but crooks. If something happened to your job and you had to go without a few paychecks, you could easily be in that condition. The poor will always be with us. These are U.S. citizens and have every constitutional right to use public facilities as anyone else.(This doesn't include urinating in public) They are not going anywhere so we can decide to ignore the "dirty elephant" or we can do what matters and write senators, congressmen, mayors, etc. Most homeless do not want to live like that, they just have no other choice.
abba

Australia

#703 Mar 12, 2007
My word!!! What a constructive idea.
typical US citizen

Santa Ana, CA

#704 Mar 12, 2007
DFWgirl wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't think the City is run by idiots but crooks. If something happened to your job and you had to go without a few paychecks, you could easily be in that condition. The poor will always be with us. These are U.S. citizens and have every constitutional right to use public facilities as anyone else.(This doesn't include urinating in public) They are not going anywhere so we can decide to ignore the "dirty elephant" or we can do what matters and write senators, congressmen, mayors, etc. Most homeless do not want to live like that, they just have no other choice.
The city streets are not a public toilets or sleeping quarters. Every person can and many do at one time have unexpected hardship -- due to injury, job loss or both. That is why people used to save. Today many live from pay check to pay check -- always trying to keep up with the latest fashion or fad. Many of the homeless are people that use to make good money -- but chose not to save or invest.

The people at Enron lost their jobs and their savings due to fraud. Every effort should be made to assist them. Every effort should be made to assist the people made homeless by Katrina. There are circumstances where people are made homeless despite of their efforts to do the right thing.

I agree that there will always be poor people. But the middle class is shrinking and the burden to supporting their own families while trying to save for unexpected events is their primary responsibility. They should not be forced to take care of people that are not their family and did or do nothing to take care of themselves.

If each family took care of its own, the number of homeless would be greatly reduced. The US government could use the money that is funding Bush’s wars to house the homeless US citizens.

“My Name should be sickofRNC”

Since: Mar 07

Mclean, VA

#705 Mar 12, 2007
crusade wrote:
<quoted text>
You would be amazed at how many people do choose to be homeless.It's a nice dream to think that goverment subsidies will save the world,but not reality.There are former senate workers who live on the streets.There are some people who couldn't carry the weight of life who choose homelessness for it's freedom.i know them,i have talked to them,laughed with them, and fed them.If you really want to do something go out there and rescue these poor people,it's not money that will save them it's knowing people are willing to lay down their lives for them and give them a reason to look up and seek hope.Alot of them started out just like you.....
I doubt that any person chooses to be homeless, sound more like a RW talking point, just like "jobs american don't want". We have mega churches expecting a 10% tithe from each of their congregation members but sadly with billions and billions of dollars we hear garbage like yours abd they DON'T help. No one chooses to be poor. We are fortunate enough to live in a system where people don't have to remain poor. But it's hard to acomplish anything positive when our legislation gets filled with pompous blowhards that make excuses for NOT educating our young or helping our poor.
DFWgirl

United States

#706 Mar 12, 2007
typical US citizen wrote:
<quoted text>
The city streets are not a public toilets or sleeping quarters. Every person can and many do at one time have unexpected hardship -- due to injury, job loss or both. That is why people used to save. Today many live from pay check to pay check -- always trying to keep up with the latest fashion or fad. Many of the homeless are people that use to make good money -- but chose not to save or invest.
The people at Enron lost their jobs and their savings due to fraud. Every effort should be made to assist them. Every effort should be made to assist the people made homeless by Katrina. There are circumstances where people are made homeless despite of their efforts to do the right thing.
I agree that there will always be poor people. But the middle class is shrinking and the burden to supporting their own families while trying to save for unexpected events is their primary responsibility. They should not be forced to take care of people that are not their family and did or do nothing to take care of themselves.
If each family took care of its own, the number of homeless would be greatly reduced. The US government could use the money that is funding Bush’s wars to house the homeless US citizens.
I agree with everything you have stated. But the reality is that since Reagan deinstitutionalized mental health there has been a influx of homeless. Families should have to take care of their members but in reality this is done less and less in a capitalistic society. You know the saying...you buy a man a fish he will eat for a day, you teach a man to fish he will eat for life. We have been buying and not teaching.

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