HOMELESSNESS:should U.S. build homes for homeless

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an observer

Yucca Valley, CA

#1 Dec 1, 2006
The elected new leader of the Christian Coalition turned down the job when the internal powers would not go along with his expantion of the policy platform to include ecology and poverty. It is way past due for a real and meaningful attack against poverty in this greatest of nations. With the money spent in Iraq each of the 1.5 milliion homeless people in this country could be living in a new modest home with washers and dryers. It's the right thing to do, it's the moral thing to do, and it is the Christian thing to do. I believe that being homeless is the most despairing life one can live. The most humiliating. The most degrading and dangerous life one could ever live. No one chooses to be homeless and the time has come to stop the plight of these poor helpless people. Imaginge yourself sleeping under a highway overpass, or on a park bench or behind some bushes at an office building and if you are honest you will have to admit that no one should have to live that kind of life.
Jeff

Tucson, AZ

#2 Dec 1, 2006
They can build them homes, but then whomever builds the homes has a right to require that the homeless people occupying said premisis have to.

1) Submit frequently to random alcohol and drug testing. First offence - counseling and treatment. Second offense - Warning, counseling, and treatment. Third - Eviction from premise.

2) Require that they obtain a job, with assistance, and work at the job while they live on premises.

3) They pay some sort of a rental agreement, thats affordable, so that residents can feel that they are starting to control their own future.
doubting thomas

Manahawkin, NJ

#3 Dec 1, 2006
Dear observer I agree with you whole heartedly. A billion yes a billion dollars of tax payor money a day is being spent in Iraq to cause a catastrophe for those people and our troops, yet we can't seem to take care of the poor. Yes we should build shelter and give them food and water and that would cost a lot less than one billion dollars a day. We would have no more poor and possibly create jobs if we needed to have house parents or whatever name to call them to help with the ones who can't really take care of themselves. Just one thought and we could come up with a lot more soultions.
Thank you observer since it makes me feel better to know other people care.

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#4 Dec 1, 2006
an observer wrote:
The elected new leader of the Christian Coalition turned down the job when the internal powers would not go along with his expantion of the policy platform to include ecology and poverty. It is way past due for a real and meaningful attack against poverty in this greatest of nations. With the money spent in Iraq each of the 1.5 milliion homeless people in this country could be living in a new modest home with washers and dryers. It's the right thing to do, it's the moral thing to do, and it is the Christian thing to do. I believe that being homeless is the most despairing life one can live. The most humiliating. The most degrading and dangerous life one could ever live. No one chooses to be homeless and the time has come to stop the plight of these poor helpless people. Imaginge yourself sleeping under a highway overpass, or on a park bench or behind some bushes at an office building and if you are honest you will have to admit that no one should have to live that kind of life.
Wonderful comments!! Thank you.. Our homeless do need homes.. Keep our tax dollars here in America. Take care of our own people first, instead of worrying about the other countries...
Just An Observer

Grand Rapids, MI

#5 Dec 1, 2006
O.K., I love Jimmy Carter, but answer me this. Who the heck worries about building me a new home? We pay taxes, we are good citizens, and try to do our best as Americans. Who builds us anything, or rewards us "good" Americans? No....a homeless person gets a NEW home. Do you know how much a new home costs????? Every wonder how a person became homeless??? Heck, if you're going to go around and build new homes, maybe I should be homeless, and other "good tax paying citizens".
an observer

Yucca Valley, CA

#8 Dec 1, 2006
Just An Observer wrote:
O.K., I love Jimmy Carter, but answer me this. Who the heck worries about building me a new home? We pay taxes, we are good citizens, and try to do our best as Americans. Who builds us anything, or rewards us "good" Americans? No....a homeless person gets a NEW home. Do you know how much a new home costs????? Every wonder how a person became homeless??? Heck, if you're going to go around and build new homes, maybe I should be homeless, and other "good tax paying citizens".
I think it is confusing people to see my caring words under the name "AN OBSERVER" and your less than caring words under the name " JUST AN OBSERVER." I'm not talking about building a mansion, but rather a modest shelter with basic amenities. They could use alternative construction too. If you search the net there are many low cost sturdy "green" building methods.
Carolina Girl

High Point, NC

#12 Dec 2, 2006
Jeff wrote:
They can build them homes, but then whomever builds the homes has a right to require that the homeless people occupying said premisis have to.
1) Submit frequently to random alcohol and drug testing. First offence - counseling and treatment. Second offense - Warning, counseling, and treatment. Third - Eviction from premise.
2) Require that they obtain a job, with assistance, and work at the job while they live on premises.

3) They pay some sort of a rental agreement, thats affordable, so that residents can feel that they are starting to control their own future.
I agree with you, Jeff. While there has to be compassion and charity there also has to be personal accountability. There were decisions made in a homeless persons life that led them to this state and the behavior and decision are not modified by accepting reponsibility and changing them, they would be right back in the same position they were in the first place. And someone would have to regulate the folks placed in the "homeless" housing to be sure qualifications are being met. I have helped out on "Habitat for humanity" homes and I believe the program works for the most part. The applicants are usually families with children that are living in dangerous neighborhoods that are working to make a better life for their kids. They have to prove their work history is steady, pay a monthly house payment, keep themselves out of trouble and volunteer on builing another habitat house. It's mostly private funded as well, after all, I do not believe it is written anywhere that it is the government's sole responsibility to take care of providing our every need and want.
EASY MONEY

Bangkok, Thailand

#14 Dec 2, 2006
I'll try to keep this as short as I can "NO"!!!
Ricky B

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Dec 2, 2006
All those right wing multi million dollar mega churches should be compelled to use their monies to build homes for the poor and homeless. If they refuse to do so, then their tax free multiples of millions should be taxed and those revenues should be used in the effort.
JTR

Dallas, TX

#17 Dec 2, 2006
EASY MONEY wrote:
I'll try to keep this as short as I can "NO"!!!
We are not a socialist society where we reward people for doing the least. We were built by the hands of those people who wanted to better themselves and their communities. Our welfare system is already draining the taxpayer enough and to establish more Section 8 housing will only create more high crime areas and social conflict.

We already give enough and building a shack for someone who can't hold down a job will not motivate that person to work harder.
snowman allentown PA

Allentown, PA

#18 Dec 2, 2006
And why should we do this? Some of these people do want to be homeless(sorry hillary) and some of them really don't want the responsibility of taking care of anything, I can't back this wonderful idea. A lot of us came out of the depression years of the 30's and we pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps. If we can't force these people to take responsiblity for themselves why should we spend money and sweat to help these people. We built new homes for the low-income people in our area(approx $175,000 for a 3 bedroom, 2 bath) and within 6 months they had several of them ruined because there was no requirement to maintain the homes or keep the little animals(bratty dr, spock kids) in line. They had drug problems and two were illegal aliens, etc. I don't have 2 baths, and I worked all my life, sometimes working a 24 hour parttime job. Three of my children went to college, one didn't want to go, and I did it through my EFFORTS. Some of these people sat in school and did nothing or they go to work and don't work, then they wonder why they don't succeed. Everybody got help except them. Give them a fishing license and they will feed themselves or starve.
mad dog 20 20

Columbia, SC

#19 Dec 2, 2006
HELL YES. Give them an apartment and food. a ride to work and if they can't make it help them survive. The stocks I have are paying the're ceo's in excess of 50m a year and you think a couple of million homeless are going to scar the econy it will stimulate it why do ypo care how someone gets their money as long as they spend it. If the rich take too much society will destroy them. Louie the 16th. Don't let them eat cake make them healthy their children are resources.
jack

Yucca Valley, CA

#22 Dec 2, 2006
snowman allentown PA wrote:
And why should we do this? Some of these people do want to be homeless(sorry hillary) and some of them really don't want the responsibility of taking care of anything, I can't back this wonderful idea. A lot of us came out of the depression years of the 30's and we pulled ourselves up by our bootstraps. If we can't force these people to take responsiblity for themselves why should we spend money and sweat to help these people. We built new homes for the low-income people in our area(approx $175,000 for a 3 bedroom, 2 bath) and within 6 months they had several of them ruined because there was no requirement to maintain the homes or keep the little animals(bratty dr, spock kids) in line. They had drug problems and two were illegal aliens, etc. I don't have 2 baths, and I worked all my life, sometimes working a 24 hour parttime job. Three of my children went to college, one didn't want to go, and I did it through my EFFORTS. Some of these people sat in school and did nothing or they go to work and don't work, then they wonder why they don't succeed. Everybody got help except them. Give them a fishing license and they will feed themselves or starve.
You claim you built new homes for low income people and within 6 mo. they were ruined for lack of up keep. Sounds false to me. What home would fall apart in 6 mo. Where were these alleged homes and who built them.
Carolina Girl

High Point, NC

#23 Dec 2, 2006
jack wrote:
<quoted text>
You claim you built new homes for low income people and within 6 mo. they were ruined for lack of up keep. Sounds false to me. What home would fall apart in 6 mo. Where were these alleged homes and who built them.
He didn't say they were built shoddily. He was saying that the irresponsible people living in them destroyed them. And yeah, I've seen it happen just that quickly too.
Cynical Citizen

United States

#24 Dec 2, 2006
Are they homeless, or are they just living off the grid and escaping the ideosyncracies of a relentless government?
Petrifiedhippy

Dallas, TX

#25 Dec 2, 2006
...over 46% of veteran's are homeless; numerous stories in columns everyday of homeless school children; people are made instantly homeless with there is a fire; flood; whatever a circumstance may be ~ homeless is not to be jeered at ~ nor judged.

I know of no one who can sustain themselves in an apartment, on minimum wage, buy food, pay bare essentials when it comes to food... that is one... what if there are 3 kids, with one parent.. lots of equations, lots of circumstance, when it shocks one to see it ~ believe me, it is agony to have to live it.

There is no middle class anymore, oh, yea,Donald Trump said it on t.v.... but many of us live it every single day, many of us know this as a truity, a given.

Build everything, cheaper, easier, less complicated...

snowman allentown PA

Allentown, PA

#26 Dec 2, 2006
jack wrote:
<quoted text>
You claim you built new homes for low income people and within 6 mo. they were ruined for lack of up keep. Sounds false to me. What home would fall apart in 6 mo. Where were these alleged homes and who built them.
This was a low rent housing job done by the Feds. The houses didn't fall down, but there were holes in the inside walls, excrement on the walls, ruined bathrooms from somebody(?) putting rolls of toilet paper into the toilets, windows broken, etc.
JTR

Fort Worth, TX

#28 Dec 2, 2006
Petrifiedhippy wrote:
...over 46% of veteran's are homeless; numerous stories in columns everyday of homeless school children; people are made instantly homeless with there is a fire; flood; whatever a circumstance may be ~ homeless is not to be jeered at ~ nor judged.
I know of no one who can sustain themselves in an apartment, on minimum wage, buy food, pay bare essentials when it comes to food... that is one... what if there are 3 kids, with one parent.. lots of equations, lots of circumstance, when it shocks one to see it ~ believe me, it is agony to have to live it.
There is no middle class anymore, oh, yea,Donald Trump said it on t.v.... but many of us live it every single day, many of us know this as a truity, a given.
Build everything, cheaper, easier, less complicated...
Why would someone have three kids if they had a minimum wage job? Hell, I make a lot more than minimum wage and I can't afford a dog. You expect me to pick up the slack? We can't help everyone who makes bad decisions.

What you guys are asking for is a socialist government, where everyone get's the same, whether they are lazy or hard working. It won't happen here.

And, you want MegaChurches to have to use their money to build houses for the homeless? Don't churches get their money from donations? You would want to mandate that churches (religion) pay for social services (government)? Church and State ring a bell? If churches were forced to do this, I am pretty sure that donations would end, at least the donations that would have to be reported to the government. Don't forget, we live in a country where we are not required to help.
Cynical Citizen

United States

#29 Dec 2, 2006
Petrifiedhippy wrote:
...over 46% of veteran's are homeless; numerous stories in columns everyday of homeless school children; people are made instantly homeless with there is a fire; flood; whatever a circumstance may be ~ homeless is not to be jeered at ~ nor judged.
I know of no one who can sustain themselves in an apartment, on minimum wage, buy food, pay bare essentials when it comes to food... that is one... what if there are 3 kids, with one parent.. lots of equations, lots of circumstance, when it shocks one to see it ~ believe me, it is agony to have to live it.
There is no middle class anymore, oh, yea,Donald Trump said it on t.v.... but many of us live it every single day, many of us know this as a truity, a given.
Build everything, cheaper, easier, less complicated...
I did not jeer, a lot of those people want to be homeless and here is why, 25% of gross pay for shelter, 25% of gross for transportation, 20% gross for income tax, 15% gross for social security, 15% gross food and medical. Guess what, no money left over for the hard working idiot who just left the voting booth.
MRS

Studio City, CA

#32 Dec 2, 2006
And who is going to pay property taxes on their free home. No, homeless should not be given free homes. What we should be doing is helping them help themselves. A few years ago Opra gave families new homes. A year later she checked to find out how the families were doing. All but 2 families had sold their free home. One family was living in their car again, exactly where they were when Opra found them. We should be helping with feeding, clothing and transportation to look for or to a job. There are some that want to live on the streets. There is more freedom. There are few rules to go by. Sometimes people don't realize it is not cheap to own a home. There are property taxes. If something breaks you have to foot the bill for repairs. The homeowner is responsible for outside maintenance also. Are we going to buy lawn mowers and snow shovels too? There are ways of helping the homeless without giving them a living. Do that and they will never help themselves. If there are children involved they are learning if they wait long enough someone will just hand them what they want. I have a family member like that. He is 32 yrs. old and collectively does not have 5 yrs. worth of work experience. His Mother and siblings buy anything he needs. Food, clothing, pop money, cigarette money. It is disgusting to see. His Mother is handicapped and lives in housing. He can't visit his mother because he has a no trespass order. Can't even go on the property. I would think this idea would be one of the dumber ones. IMO maybe we could go to he employers that are breaking the law by hiring illegal aliens and give them a choice. Hire some of our poorer citizens or risk fines and jail time. We could tell the homeless person, take the job or there must be a very good reason not to. I have been homeless and I will tell you the last job I worked at was the last time I ever looked for another job. I worked for 23 yrs. doing the same job and today have self worth and am proud of the family I raised. I have a police officer, a corrections officer, a nurse, 2 own their on successful businesses. Help them up not just do it for them.

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