There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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#232257 May 19, 2014
LightForce wrote:
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So, all things being comparable to any other person, should everything be done possible to save the life of an abortion survivor regardless of whether the mother wants them or not? It's a simple yes or no answer.
It's not my decision to make unless it's my child.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#232258 May 19, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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It's not my decision to make unless it's my child.
Whose decision is it then?

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Since: Jul 09

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#232259 May 19, 2014
LightForce wrote:
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Whose decision is it then?
that depends upon which state you are in, and their current laws.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#232260 May 20, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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that depends upon which state you are in, and their current laws.
It's against the law in every state because it's murder. But you apparently think that it "depends".

So, to you it "depends" on whether or not you could get away with it if murdering somebody is OK?

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#232262 May 20, 2014
LightForce wrote:
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It's against the law in every state because it's murder. But you apparently think that it "depends".
So, to you it "depends" on whether or not you could get away with it if murdering somebody is OK?
Murdering someone is never okay, but wads of goo are not "someone" and their removal is not murder.
It is a medical procedure that is none of your business.

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#232263 May 20, 2014
LightForce wrote:
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It's against the law in every state because it's murder. But you apparently think that it "depends".
So, to you it "depends" on whether or not you could get away with it if murdering somebody is OK?
IF you would educate yourself and read each state's laws, you would learn that the laws vary state by state.

"Viable" is open to determination. The state in which I live allows abortions up to the moment of birth.

Do I agree with it? No. But is it my business to tell another woman what decisions to make for her body? No.It's not.

Stop putting words in my mouth. You are doing it very poorly.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#232264 May 20, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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IF you would educate yourself and read each state's laws, you would learn that the laws vary state by state.
"Viable" is open to determination. The state in which I live allows abortions up to the moment of birth.
Do I agree with it? No. But is it my business to tell another woman what decisions to make for her body? No.It's not.
Stop putting words in my mouth. You are doing it very poorly.
You completely rearranged and changed the question. It is about abortion survivors, not abortion. Once the child survives the abortion attempt, it is no Ionger up for debate by any rational person whether or not the child is a person, with the same right to life as anybody else. I see what your doing though, and just forget about it if your going to do that.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#232265 May 20, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Murdering someone is never okay, but wads of goo are not "someone" and their removal is not murder.
It is a medical procedure that is none of your business.
This response also has nothing at all to do with my comment. The reason that I won't get a legitimate response is that somebody would be caught lying, in which I already have the comments from last year to show. So it doesn't matter if you or her responds in a coherent manner or not since we already know the answer., which you both would deny even if it was now put in front of your faces.

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#232266 May 20, 2014
LightForce wrote:
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This response also has nothing at all to do with my comment. The reason that I won't get a legitimate response is that somebody would be caught lying, in which I already have the comments from last year to show. So it doesn't matter if you or her responds in a coherent manner or not since we already know the answer., which you both would deny even if it was now put in front of your faces.
What legitimate response? WHAT abortion "survivors" are you talking about? Wads of goo do not survive abortions, in fact they often don't survive implantation attempts, or the process of gestation at all.

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#232267 May 21, 2014
LightForce wrote:
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You completely rearranged and changed the question. It is about abortion survivors, not abortion. Once the child survives the abortion attempt, it is no Ionger up for debate by any rational person whether or not the child is a person, with the same right to life as anybody else. I see what your doing though, and just forget about it if your going to do that.
peachy keen, jelly bean.

You keep twisting and turning, trying to get the answer out of me that you want to hear, rather than hear my thoughts and opinions on the subject.

Bullying is bullying, cyber or not.

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#232268 May 21, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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again you choose to ignore the difference between a fetus approximately 1/2 inch long and a living, breathing child.
I should feel sorry for your pathetic ignorance and closed-mindedness, but I just can't.
Actually, it's reality. You prefer to be close-minded so you can live with killing the life you created because it was convenient for you.

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#232269 May 21, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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It is up to every woman to determine if she can be the mother that child deserves and to make the right decision for her and for her life.
At least you used the correct verbiage this time.

Child.

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#232271 May 21, 2014
Grunt56 wrote:
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Actually, it's reality. You prefer to be close-minded so you can live with killing the life you created because it was convenient for you.
Nope. That may be your belief, but it is FAR from reality.
Wads of goo are not children, and are not "lives". They are parasites with some possible potential, but they are not people or living on their own. Just insensate wads of goo and none of your business unless it is YOUR uterus involved.
If that wad of goo has implanted anywhere but the uterus, then it is ONLY a dangerous parasite and needs to be removed ASAP before it kills the woman.

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#232272 May 21, 2014
Grunt56 wrote:
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Actually, it's reality. You prefer to be close-minded so you can live with killing the life you created because it was convenient for you.
I"m close minded because I don't have the temerity to tell someone I don't know whether or not they should have a child???

Really??? You might want to revisit your interpretation of "close minded"

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

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#232275 May 22, 2014
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>..........The percentages of the mothers health being at risk are very low in todays medical society. The doctors have come along way in keeping that mother to be out of danger..........t.
Pathetic!
Once again you are oh so wrong. You keeping reading those propaganda websites and believe the lies they print.

Many pregnant women do not have access to health care, let alone QUALITY health care (thanks to odumba.)

Many women (especially immigrant women, and/or working poor) get little or no prenatal care. They show up at an E.R. In late stage labor. So many things can and do go wrong, costing taxpayers billions of dollars.

Gestational diabetes has been on the rise for decades. As has been obese pregnancies. Resulting in larger babies. When I first started in the health care field, an "average" birth weight was about 7.5 lbs. A baby weighing 8-9 lbs was considered a "big" baby. A baby 9+ pounds was not very common. The average baby now is closer to 9 lbs. and 10-11+ lb babies are not rare.

It's true that maternal death has decllined in America, but in third world countries it is still a threat.

Another cost to taxpayers is high risk pregnancies that force the mother to stop work and go on complete bed rest.

Premature births have been on rise for decades. Nicu's are filled with what is termed "micro" premmies. meaning babies born between 23-26 weeks. the amount of care (and cost) to treat these babies is astronomical. That cost once again is usually passed on to taxpayers. These babies are usually born to poor women. Or young (teenage) mothers who had little or no prenatal care.

You have never once answered how much you are willing to pay to raise these babies you demand be born. How much of your income are you willing to part with??? 10%? 20%? 30%? 50%?

someone has to pay to house them, feed them, clothe them, provide medical care, and to educate them.

I know you will avoid this question once again, but one can hope you will eventually answer it.

btw your avoidance [of the question] speaks volumes!

the pathetic one is you.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#232276 May 22, 2014
zionistsareSCUM wrote:
Can't stand arguing with mindless women over this issue.
All I gotta say is that I hope your punishment from the creator is that YOU come back and get aborted over and over again for infinity!
Maybe then there will be justice for the billions of helpless souls YOU murder and butcher!
Suck on that YOU pro-choice, idiotic, mindless sheeple!
;)
not everyone believes in your god.

and if you are an example of what believeing in your god does to a person..........thanks but NO THANKS.

and just so you know, your god is the biggest abortionist of all!!!!!!!!!!

i suggest you spend more time doing what jesus taught, instead of using your god to bully others.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#232277 May 22, 2014
zionistsareSCUM wrote:
Can't stand arguing with mindless women over this issue.
All I gotta say is that I hope your punishment from the creator is that YOU come back and get aborted over and over again for infinity!
Maybe then there will be justice for the billions of helpless souls YOU murder and butcher!
Suck on that YOU pro-choice, idiotic, mindless sheeple!
;)
The Bible is not opposed to abortion. The only verse that addresses the issue says that it is not a sin.

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#232279 May 22, 2014
zionistsareSCUM wrote:
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Whoever said this was a bible issue?
Get a clue MORON.
Moron yourself. YOU are the one who was bringing creators and souls and afterlife into it.
Got proof of any of those??
Not your uterus, none of your business.
Wads of goo are not babies.

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#232280 May 23, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Nope. That may be your belief, but it is FAR from reality.
Wads of goo are not children, and are not "lives". They are parasites with some possible potential, but they are not people or living on their own. Just insensate wads of goo and none of your business unless it is YOUR uterus involved.
If that wad of goo has implanted anywhere but the uterus, then it is ONLY a dangerous parasite and needs to be removed ASAP before it kills the woman.
No, it's reality. a fetus isn't a toddler. A toddler isn't a teenager. A teenager isn't an adult. Each isn't the other, but all are people in various stages of life.

Pretending it's otherwise to make yourself feel better doesn't fool the rest of us.

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#232281 May 23, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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I"m close minded because I don't have the temerity to tell someone I don't know whether or not they should have a child???
Really??? You might want to revisit your interpretation of "close minded"
Nobody has the right to tell someone whether or not they should have a child. Everyone has the right to tell someone they can't kill innocent people, though.

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