There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#232177 Apr 25, 2014
AverageGuy87 wrote:
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Well I imagine most couples prefer to not use condom. And as for abandoning parental responsibility- that's far past whether abortion is ok or not, isn't it?
Like I said, it's impossible to force women into pregnancy tests. But after fertile sex occurs, women have at least two-three months to find out if they're pregnant- and abort before the fetus developes into a baby. It's waiting past that deadline that should be made illegal- and even though the father has responsibility in this aswell, it's up to the woman alone to test to herself for pregnancy and allso to sign up for abortion.
But what about a woman in those areas that do everything they can to interfere with a woman's right to choose? It might take more than a month or two to find a suitable clinic and get an appointment - and that is AFTER the woman realizes that she is pregnant.

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#232178 Apr 26, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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It may be that YOU prefer not to use a condom. Please don't speak for others.
If men were more responsible, there would be far fewer abortions.
Nahhh :/ I'd like to think I know people in general. Condom is mostly used to avoid diseases and the like.

Absolutely, I truly agree.

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#232179 Apr 26, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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But what about a woman in those areas that do everything they can to interfere with a woman's right to choose? It might take more than a month or two to find a suitable clinic and get an appointment - and that is AFTER the woman realizes that she is pregnant.
You lead my thoughts to OP, aka Precious. Bumped into her lately have you?

Well it shouldn't have to come to that obviously- but if a woman realizes she is pregnant, which could take really long depending on her usual weight/size- then it's a tragedy if she proceeds with the abortion. But she can't be blamed for it. Until proper pregnancy control is enforced, no one can be held accountable for a trial. Sometimes, shit simply happens

Shouldn't have to come to it, and there should be much better education on the matter. Neither pregnancy or abortion is fun to go through. But an unwanted child growing up with two recentful parents is even worse I imagine. It's up to the mother to decide the survival of her fetus/infant. But women should be educated on the means to prevent pregnancy, so that abortion someday, will never be needed anymore.

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#232180 Apr 29, 2014
I'll be quoting myself here since nobody seems to like me :'( Just to correct what I said further up: Having a law to force women into pregnancy testing themselves within a week around unprotected sex- was extreme as hell. How about a law that urge women to check themselves within two months after unprotected sex instead? That would completely minimize the cases for when abortion becomes necessary.
AverageGuy87 wrote:
Hm :/ same guys here as for three months ago... okidoke
Abortion is disgusting, but between a mother and her fetus, and even her infant- the mother is the one who can fear death. She has priority- should the extremest situations occur. Pregnancy isn't allways that devine ritual which makes the "The American Dream" come true.
No. There be pain, blood and tears- to sometimes fatal results for all the involved. Labour, to some, is a fucked up remnant of Stone Age- where scientific progress should've stepped in long ago with optional ways for reproduction. It should be made illegal for women to not check themselves for pregnancy after unprotected sex- a week before and after menstruation.
Obviously this law can't be enforced practically, but if unwanted pregnancy occurs, without there being any sign of mental illness or physical force(like rape), late abortion should be punishable... < abit harsh that, but I'm open for suggestions.
We all hate abortion, so let's discuss the means to phase it out from the many ways to not have children- of which celibacy is NOT an option either!!

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#232181 Apr 29, 2014
AverageGuy87 wrote:
I'll be quoting myself here since nobody seems to like me :'( Just to correct what I said further up: Having a law to force women into pregnancy testing themselves within a week around unprotected sex- was extreme as hell. How about a law that urge women to check themselves within two months after unprotected sex instead? That would completely minimize the cases for when abortion becomes necessary.
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And what abut the women who had their protection fail? For a woman to not realize that she is pregnant, it is somewhat more likely that she didn't believe it possible due to having used protection that ended up failing.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#232182 Apr 29, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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And what abut the women who had their protection fail? For a woman to not realize that she is pregnant, it is somewhat more likely that she didn't believe it possible due to having used protection that ended up failing.
Also there are many pregnancies that do not "announce" themselves with the cessation of menses.
I've known several women who had at least one month of normal bleeding even though they were already pregnant, and one woman whose pregnancy did not give her even a single month off her schedule.(I gotta say I felt very badly for her, no break at all and all the pregnancy stuff to deal with and two kids under five already)
Obviously there are just too many people who are simply too ignorant about the true facts of life and the workings of the female reproductive system thinking they have a right to make decisions about what we should do.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#232183 Apr 29, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Also there are many pregnancies that do not "announce" themselves with the cessation of menses.
I've known several women who had at least one month of normal bleeding even though they were already pregnant, and one woman whose pregnancy did not give her even a single month off her schedule.(I gotta say I felt very badly for her, no break at all and all the pregnancy stuff to deal with and two kids under five already)
Obviously there are just too many people who are simply too ignorant about the true facts of life and the workings of the female reproductive system thinking they have a right to make decisions about what we should do.
And in general, the more ignorant they are, the m ore likely they are to try and force women into womb slavery...

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#232184 Apr 30, 2014
Liam R wrote:
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And what abut the women who had their protection fail? For a woman to not realize that she is pregnant, it is somewhat more likely that she didn't believe it possible due to having used protection that ended up failing.
Well my idea isn't fool proof, but with such a law that urges(rather than forces) women to check their pregnancy via pee/menstruation/something?- the need for abortion will be minized- so I'm not against abortion, of course I'm not. But it's a fucking tragedy that should be minimized with all means necessary, without women ending up being meddled with of course. If it comes to abortion, despite various certain routine checks- well then so be it.

Of the few to fall through this birth controll agenda, VERY few are likely to perform abortion after two/three months. Far fewer than to day, so that's nice. I'm grateful to abortion. Without it my could've been sibling may have prevented my existence due to that ectopic pregnancy crap that happened to my mum (and that's just a personal of many reasons to support abortion as that critical life savior it can be to people)

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#232185 Apr 30, 2014
AverageGuy87 wrote:
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Well my idea isn't fool proof, but with such a law that urges(rather than forces) women to check their pregnancy via pee/menstruation/something?- the need for abortion will be minized- so I'm not against abortion, of course I'm not. But it's a fucking tragedy that should be minimized with all means necessary, without women ending up being meddled with of course. If it comes to abortion, despite various certain routine checks- well then so be it.
Of the few to fall through this birth controll agenda, VERY few are likely to perform abortion after two/three months. Far fewer than to day, so that's nice. I'm grateful to abortion. Without it my could've been sibling may have prevented my existence due to that ectopic pregnancy crap that happened to my mum (and that's just a personal of many reasons to support abortion as that critical life savior it can be to people)
There are already enough (too many in fact) laws regulating abortions.
We don't need more, we need for those control freaks who keep tying to limit our rights to crawl back under their rocks and mind their own business.
No woman WANTS an abortion. What we want is to be left to make our own decisions about our own health and for ANYONE else who thinks they should have a say to back off.
If you aren't the one who is pregnant, you have no right to any opinion on the decision unless the one who IS pregnant asks you for it.

“Behave Yourself”

Since: Jul 07

Fort Worth, Texas

#232186 May 1, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>There are already enough (too many in fact) laws regulating abortions.
We don't need more, we need for those control freaks who keep tying to limit our rights to crawl back under their rocks and mind their own business.
No woman WANTS an abortion. What we want is to be left to make our own decisions about our own health and for ANYONE else who thinks they should have a say to back off.
If you aren't the one who is pregnant, you have no right to any opinion on the decision unless the one who IS pregnant asks you for it.
I'm curious to know if some of those "control freaks" (apropos term, by the way) of which you spoke are aware that in New York City during the mid 19th century when there were no abortions that the sewer systems were clogged with discarded babies? It appears that some would like to see that happen all over again only next time it will be more widespread...

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

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#232187 May 1, 2014
Edthirty wrote:
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I'm curious to know if some of those "control freaks" (apropos term, by the way) of which you spoke are aware that in New York City during the mid 19th century when there were no abortions that the sewer systems were clogged with discarded babies? It appears that some would like to see that happen all over again only next time it will be more widespread...
"No abortions?" I beg to differ. Abortions have been around since women figured out there were ways to rid themselves of an unwanted fetus.

http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/histo...

It may have been illegal, but still happened.
Life is Precious

South Bend, IN

#232188 May 2, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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"No abortions?" I beg to differ. Abortions have been around since women figured out there were ways to rid themselves of an unwanted fetus.
http://www.prochoice.org/about_abortion/histo...
It may have been illegal, but still happened.
Biased
Life is Precious

South Bend, IN

#232189 May 2, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>There are already enough (too many in fact) laws regulating abortions.
We don't need more, we need for those control freaks who keep tying to limit our rights to crawl back under their rocks and mind their own business.
No woman WANTS an abortion. What we want is to be left to make our own decisions about our own health and for ANYONE else who thinks they should have a say to back off.
If you aren't the one who is pregnant, you have no right to any opinion on the decision unless the one who IS pregnant asks you for it.
"No woman wants an abortion?"
Really???
This is a lie,many women use abortion as birth control stupid.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#232190 May 2, 2014
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>"No woman wants an abortion?"
Really???
This is a lie,many women use abortion as birth control stupid.
Just because one HAS an abortion does not mean one WANTS one. Stupid yourself.

I've yet to see anyone doing huzzahs and handstands because they're going to have an abortion.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#232191 May 2, 2014
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>Biased
The history is the history; no matter who prints it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abort...

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#232192 May 2, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>There are already enough (too many in fact) laws regulating abortions.
We don't need more, we need for those control freaks who keep tying to limit our rights to crawl back under their rocks and mind their own business.
No woman WANTS an abortion. What we want is to be left to make our own decisions about our own health and for ANYONE else who thinks they should have a say to back off.
If you aren't the one who is pregnant, you have no right to any opinion on the decision unless the one who IS pregnant asks you for it.
Abortion must allways be allowed, but we must work towards preventing the need for it. Since individuals are in charge of their own bodies alone, they should be made aware of the tragedy it actually is with abortion. Women should, by some liberal way of teaching it, learn to not take any risks after having sex during their period- but to check themselves. Peeing on the stick reveals with great certainty I imagine? I'd have heard of it otherwise.. doesn't take long? Perhaps you women could learn to check yourselves every two months(for 5 minutes approx) when sexually active? It could be a notion planted during high school maybe- which promotes abortion, but allso urges women to actively avoid the need for it when sexually active.

Since: Feb 08

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#232193 May 2, 2014
AverageGuy87 wrote:
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Abortion must allways be allowed, but we must work towards preventing the need for it. Since individuals are in charge of their own bodies alone, they should be made aware of the tragedy it actually is with abortion. Women should, by some liberal way of teaching it, learn to not take any risks after having sex during their period- but to check themselves. Peeing on the stick reveals with great certainty I imagine? I'd have heard of it otherwise.. doesn't take long? Perhaps you women could learn to check yourselves every two months(for 5 minutes approx) when sexually active? It could be a notion planted during high school maybe- which promotes abortion, but allso urges women to actively avoid the need for it when sexually active.
You are missing the point, average guy.
It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
NONE! Not our birth control, not how often we check to see if we're pregnant, NONE OF IT IS ANY OF YOUR CONCERN!

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#232194 May 2, 2014
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>Biased
You are just too stupid to insult or educate, but on the (extremely small) chance I'm wrong...
No woman wants an abortion the way she would want a new dress or a certain meal. She might want one, though, the way an animal wants to gnaw off it's own leg to escape a steel trap.
There is one exception, I wish your mother had had nothing BUT abortions.
You are a waste of space and oxygen.

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#232195 May 2, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>You are missing the point, average guy.
It is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
NONE! Not our birth control, not how often we check to see if we're pregnant, NONE OF IT IS ANY OF YOUR CONCERN!
Oh but it is of my concern, that is- until we know exactly how a fetus experiences an abortion. I'm abandoning the idea of jurisdictional birth controll, unless it's about late term pregnancy with a healthy mother to go- but we must keep the matters of abortion open for discussion. Educating girls to be aware of not letting unwanted pregnancy develop into late term(once their of age) is something society could do discretely, without meddling to anyone.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#232196 May 2, 2014
AverageGuy87 wrote:
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Oh but it is of my concern, that is- until we know exactly how a fetus experiences an abortion. I'm abandoning the idea of jurisdictional birth controll, unless it's about late term pregnancy with a healthy mother to go- but we must keep the matters of abortion open for discussion. Educating girls to be aware of not letting unwanted pregnancy develop into late term(once their of age) is something society could do discretely, without meddling to anyone.
Of course education is everyone's business, but you keep posting as if these things were not being done already, or at least we're TRYING to get it done. You talk as if women are stupid and ignorant of our own bodies and that waiting until late in a pregnancy was the NORM, and it is NOT. What delays most (when it is) isn't that they don't know, it's that they can't find a clinic, or can't afford it. Every time some legislation is brought up to increase such education the conservatives fight tooth and nail to keep children ignorant.
Every time.
What does seem to be the norm is men expecting that it isn't their problem and responsibility to use contraception, and when it fails, to be responsible for the baby when the woman decides to keep and raise the child.
That ball is in the men's court, and far too many of y'all drop it, and don't make it clear to your buddies who have that it's cowardly and wrong.
But, that's another thread...

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