There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#232061 Mar 14, 2014
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong!
If she lied about that what else did she lie about?abortion may be legal for now but there are a lot of things legal that are wrong.
Like for instance marijuana.
Even if she lied about everything, it still does not matter. Abortion is between a woman and her doctor. Her reasons are not relevant in any discussion.

And what makes you think that there is anything wrong with marijuana?
LightForce

Rockford, MI

#232062 Mar 14, 2014
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>You are being intentionally obtuse. I don't want to determine anything for anyone but myself.
It's not MY place to tell anyone else what to do when they find themselves unintentionally pregnant.
It isn't YOURS either.
Not your body?
NONE of your business.
Are you a GOD? No.
None of your business, ever.
Houston, we have a problem!

Situation relabeling is an indication that you are following the path to evil. Though you are accusing me of playing God, it is you who wants the power of God to choose between life and death for others. You might call it loving, but it sure sounds evil to me.

Consider the following story: Suppose a couple has a sexual encounter that is fully protected by several forms of birth control short of abortion (condom, the Pill, IUD, and so forth), but nevertheless results in conception. Instead of getting an abortion, the mother of the conceptus decides to bring it to term, although the father is unaware of this decision. After the birth of the child the mother pleads with the father for child support. Because he refuses, she seeks legal action and takes him to court. Although he took every precaution to avoid fatherhood — thus showing that he did not wish to accept such a status — according to nearly all child support laws in the United States he would still be obligated to pay support precisely because of his relationship to this child. I'll bet you would happily take away the rights of the father, and the child to preserve your own “rights”.

Yes, I completely understand that you care about yourself, and about those who want to abort their child, but no matter how much you want it to be, you forget that there is more than one person's rights that are involved.
LightForce

Rockford, MI

#232063 Mar 14, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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That is YOU. YOU do not have power over anyone BUT yourself.
That's the way it should be.

Coming from somebody who thinks that killing your child is the responsible, loving thing to do.

Another example of situation relabeling.
LightForce

Rockford, MI

#232064 Mar 14, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
<quoted text>
If I had given birth to that child, my sons would have paid a high price, as would I in my ability to nurture and care for my children. I had to consider my living children over the unborn.
It amazes me that you fail to consider my responsibility to my existing children.
That's the same excuse that was used for child sacrifice, but that would make sense since they ARE the same thing. So basically what you really did was to sacrifice one of your children so that the others might prosper. If you were around in those days when sacrificing your child in the fire was legal, that would no doubt have been your preferred method. Do you see how sick it is yet? Maybe not, but I hope everybody else does.
LightForce

Rockford, MI

#232065 Mar 14, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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Nope. I sacrificed a lot for my sons, mostly in making the decision to NOT have a third child. I didn't put my needs ahead of theirs. And I didn't make multiple suicide attempts (plus some fake ones) because I was so caught up in my own emotions.
However, I am glad to see you acknowledge that you were a poor excuse for a mother. We are making progress here.
You sacrificed your child. See previous post.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#232066 Mar 14, 2014
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
Houston, we have a problem!
Situation relabeling is an indication that you are following the path to evil. Though you are accusing me of playing God, it is you who wants the power of God to choose between life and death for others. You might call it loving, but it sure sounds evil to me.
Consider the following story: Suppose a couple has a sexual encounter that is fully protected by several forms of birth control short of abortion (condom, the Pill, IUD, and so forth), but nevertheless results in conception. Instead of getting an abortion, the mother of the conceptus decides to bring it to term, although the father is unaware of this decision. After the birth of the child the mother pleads with the father for child support. Because he refuses, she seeks legal action and takes him to court. Although he took every precaution to avoid fatherhood — thus showing that he did not wish to accept such a status — according to nearly all child support laws in the United States he would still be obligated to pay support precisely because of his relationship to this child. I'll bet you would happily take away the rights of the father, and the child to preserve your own “rights”.
Yes, I completely understand that you care about yourself, and about those who want to abort their child, but no matter how much you want it to be, you forget that there is more than one person's rights that are involved.
Do you understand that it is none of your business what any woman does, period? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS.
Wads of goo are not people, they are not citizens, and they have no rights. They are insensate parasites.
It matters not one bit whether a woman took precautions to avoid pregnancy, whether she was in a loving committed relationship or just having a good time with some chap she's just met, if she gets pregnant, what she does about the pregnancy is HER decision and HERS alone. Not my business, and not yours.
At least I am willing to give women the credit to make their own minds up. You think YOU have the answers, which only goes to show that you think you're better than anyone else, proving you're a control freak who isn't worth the dust on the bottom of my dog's feet.
Not your uterus? Not your body? None of your business, ever.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#232067 Mar 14, 2014
LightForce wrote:
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That's the way it should be.
Coming from somebody who thinks that killing your child is the responsible, loving thing to do.
Another example of situation relabeling.
Wads of goo are not children.
You are not a god, so your opinion is worth NOTHING. When you are pregnant, you get to decide what to do about.
Just as when I was pregnant, I got to choose to attempt to bring my pregnancies to term. There were people who tried to make me get an abortion, and they had no more business attempting to coerce me to abort than you have telling women that they should not.
Go crawl back under your rock, you've no power here. Or anywhere.
The women have their own rights, and their own minds. You don't get to make their decisions for them.
I know that upsets you, but too bad. None of your business what they do.
Especially as you're too intentionally ignorant to understand that a wad of goo is not a child.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

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#232068 Mar 15, 2014
LightForce wrote:
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You sacrificed your child. See previous post.
Yes, I did. I sacrificed a piece of tissue that would have become a human being because I felt (and do feel) that it was necessary for my existing children's well being.

Anyone who would have a child, knowing that it would be detrimental to their existing children is extremely irresponsible.
LightForce

Rockford, MI

#232069 Mar 15, 2014
Unnecessary Species wrote:
Abortion just doesn't matter, we're all going to die someday anyway so it's pointless and meaningless as to what it happens. In the womb, car accident airplane crash, suicide... it just doesn't matter.
That's just how pro-deathers want you to think, because while you're doing nothing, they are working extra hard to encourage the kind of degradation on society that they want. But totally apart from what they, and the rest of the world is doing, you do have in yourself the power to do great things. It matters a lot if you can help just one person, and what matters most is that you don't stop trying. First I'd say get off the meds, and start eating real foods to get your brain working properly again. Not that McD's crap. They want you to eat that so you feel lethargic and can't think straight. Then after you start waking up and stop feeling sorry for yourself you can do whatever is in your power to help just one other person. Small things become big things. The only thing that enables pro-deathers/evil to prosper is when good people do nothing.
Life is Precious

South Bend, IN

#232070 Mar 16, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
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Nope. I sacrificed a lot for my sons, mostly in making the decision to NOT have a third child. I didn't put my needs ahead of theirs. And I didn't make multiple suicide attempts (plus some fake ones) because I was so caught up in my own emotions.
However, I am glad to see you acknowledge that you were a poor excuse for a mother. We are making progress here.
I have never said I was a bad mother. I did say I made a huge mistake in a very stressful time. I own it and have learned a lot about myself through it. On the other hand I NEVER killed one of my children like you did. I would say that makes you a very bad mother. Selfish as well.
You are such a sad pathetic b*tch.
I don't even know why you are in this room since you are so prochoice,which in other words you are for the killing of a mother killing her unborn child.
You hide behind "choice"
When you are prochoice you are for the killing of an unborn child,which you did.
You also attempted suicide. Funny how you never bring that up but judge those who have.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#232071 Mar 16, 2014
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>I have never said I was a bad mother. I did say I made a huge mistake in a very stressful time. I own it and have learned a lot about myself through it. On the other hand I NEVER killed one of my children like you did. I would say that makes you a very bad mother. Selfish as well.
You are such a sad pathetic b*tch.
I don't even know why you are in this room since you are so prochoice,which in other words you are for the killing of a mother killing her unborn child.
You hide behind "choice"
When you are prochoice you are for the killing of an unborn child,which you did.
You also attempted suicide. Funny how you never bring that up but judge those who have.
"A huge mistake?" "A" Ummm...that would indicate once. By your own admission there were multiple attempts.

My son's lives now speak for the kind of mother I was. They are independent, employed, hardworking, responsible young men. Both served in the military, saw action, and were living in homes they purchased by the time they were 30.

When one is pro-choice, one advocates for CHOICE. The choice to have a child and raise it, the choice to have a child and give it up for adoption or the choice to terminate the pregnancy.

You are so incredibly STUPID in your statements. If people who were pro-choice only advocated to end pregnancies, none of them would have living children. Yet, I have two.

It takes far more guts to end a pregnancy, knowing you cannot be the mother the child deserves, then it does to deliberately get knocked up to get out of your parents house.

You act like you are something special because you didn't have an abortion. That makes you the human equivalent of a chimpanzee, a feral animal, or any other member of the animal kingdom that doesn't control reproduction. You USED your first child. You didn't have him because you wanted a child, you had him because you didn't have the guts to stand up to your parents. That makes you a pathetic coward.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#232072 Mar 16, 2014
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>

You also attempted suicide. Funny how you never bring that up but judge those who have.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0SOT21...

Lather, rinse, repeat....
Life is Precious

South Bend, IN

#232073 Mar 17, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
<quoted text>
"A huge mistake?" "A" Ummm...that would indicate once. By your own admission there were multiple attempts.
My son's lives now speak for the kind of mother I was. They are independent, employed, hardworking, responsible young men. Both served in the military, saw action, and were living in homes they purchased by the time they were 30.
When one is pro-choice, one advocates for CHOICE. The choice to have a child and raise it, the choice to have a child and give it up for adoption or the choice to terminate the pregnancy.
You are so incredibly STUPID in your statements. If people who were pro-choice only advocated to end pregnancies, none of them would have living children. Yet, I have two.
It takes far more guts to end a pregnancy, knowing you cannot be the mother the child deserves, then it does to deliberately get knocked up to get out of your parents house.
You act like you are something special because you didn't have an abortion. That makes you the human equivalent of a chimpanzee, a feral animal, or any other member of the animal kingdom that doesn't control reproduction. You USED your first child. You didn't have him because you wanted a child, you had him because you didn't have the guts to stand up to your parents. That makes you a pathetic coward.
Ummm,yes I did want him,I planned it. So what if it got me out of my parents home. At least I gave birth to him and allowed him to live unlike you. You said one time years ago your sons wouldn't even speak to you.
My oldest son is a minister and a wonderful young man. I am so proud of him.
And by the way prochoice is you are fine with a woman killing her unborn in the womb. You hide behind that prochoice statement. Again why are you in this room if you do not agree with the title of this room? You would be better off in the "There is nothing wrong with abortion"
After all you did murder your unborn in the womb you low life piece of trash.
I hope and pray you are miserable the rest of your life and you will meet this child someday.
Life changes everyday and you had no right to kill this baby.
Pure selfishness.
Life is Precious

South Bend, IN

#232074 Mar 17, 2014
mamma-san wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I did. I sacrificed a piece of tissue that would have become a human being because I felt (and do feel) that it was necessary for my existing children's well being.
Anyone who would have a child, knowing that it would be detrimental to their existing children is extremely irresponsible.
What a crock of sh*t!
You are and were very irresponsible. You fed your fat a$$ and didn't want this child.
honeychicc

Pittsburgh, PA

#232075 Mar 17, 2014

could you people imagine abortions with same sex marriage?

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#232076 Mar 18, 2014
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>Ummm,yes I did want him,I planned it. So what if it got me out of my parents home. At least I gave birth to him and allowed him to live unlike you. You said one time years ago your sons wouldn't even speak to you.
My oldest son is a minister and a wonderful young man. I am so proud of him.
And by the way prochoice is you are fine with a woman killing her unborn in the womb. You hide behind that prochoice statement. Again why are you in this room if you do not agree with the title of this room? You would be better off in the "There is nothing wrong with abortion"
After all you did murder your unborn in the womb you low life piece of trash.
I hope and pray you are miserable the rest of your life and you will meet this child someday.
Life changes everyday and you had no right to kill this baby.
Pure selfishness.
Again, having offspring is something any animal can do; it doesn't make you special. Making a conscious decision to have, or not to have, a child you KNOW you can nurture accordingly takes thought and consideration.

I carefully considered all of my options and made a decision in favor of my existing children. You can speak out all you want against that decision. It wasn't yours to make, you didn't know me, and your opinion is irrelevant in the matter. Having a child you cannot parent effectively doesn't make you special or a better person; it shows that you are irresponsible.

My sons know about the abortion and they agree I made the right decision. You know nothing about the challenges of being a single mother let alone anything about my life; why would you presume to question my decisions? Oh yes...you keep hoping that speaking out against my character changes the facts of the matter. It hasn't worked in the past and it won't work now.

So your oldest son is a minister and you are proud of him. What about the youngest? Not proud of him? He doesn't exist? Sometimes what you don't say speaks volumes.

This is not a "room." This is a thread on a forum. And I am here to speak up against the lies you inevitably spout. You don't do any research, you simply repeat what you want others to believe.

Again, you are in lala land. My sons and I do speak. In fact, we had lunch together on Sunday in honor of my oldest son's birthday. Why do you insist on embarrassing yourself by making up these lies?

I am fine with women having children and raising them. I am fine with women having children and giving them up for adoption. I don't presume that I know what decisions women should make.

All of the deliberate lies you stated in your post are the EXACT reason I stay on this thread. Women need to be educated as to the TRUTH, not only about abortion but about what Pro-Choice stands for.

The CHOICE to have a child and raise it.
The CHOICE to have a child and give it up for adoption.
The CHOICE to have an abortion.

Pro-CHOICE. Three choices each woman should be aware that she has. She chooses what is right for HER. And there is not a damned thing you can do about it.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#232077 Mar 18, 2014
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>What a crock of sh*t!
You are and were very irresponsible. You fed your fat a$$ and didn't want this child.
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0SOT21...

Lather, rinse, repeat. I refer you to #13.
Shove

Tulsa, OK

#232078 Mar 19, 2014
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong!
If she lied about that what else did she lie about?abortion may be legal for now but there are a lot of things legal that are wrong.
Like for instance marijuana.
Man makes liquor, God makes marijuana.....

Who do YOU trust?
Shove

Tulsa, OK

#232079 Mar 19, 2014
Sorry folks, but I agree with 'get out while you can'....this thread is a sinkhole, populated by fools.

Sayonara....
Pro

Saint Louis, MO

#232080 Mar 19, 2014
Thank God for abortion, for without him it wouldn't be possible. For those countries that don't allow it or make it nearly impossible they are worse off. You see pictures of those kids who starve to death all the time. Not saying the US would be like that, but man we would have a lot more issues if abortions were not legal. The country already made the mistake once of making it illegal and that didn't last very long, it won't happen again. Women can make their own decisions as it should be, based on their own faith, circumstances, and well being.

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