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Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#231309 Oct 10, 2013
AverageGuy87 wrote:
Err.. I watched Aliens yesterday.. speaking of labour.
"kill meeeiii..!"
Seriously- be it through the breast cage or the vagina, labour can be ******* traumatizing to some.
And then there are things like ectopic pregnancy, where the zygote sticks to the fallopian tube wall rather than properly migrating to the uterus. If that happens the ONLY recourse is abortion, immediately.

Since: Feb 08

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#231310 Oct 10, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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And then there are things like ectopic pregnancy, where the zygote sticks to the fallopian tube wall rather than properly migrating to the uterus. If that happens the ONLY recourse is abortion, immediately.
Yeah. The doctor said my organs had already started shutting down by the time they went in. Twenty minutes later to the hospital he said I'd have been dead before they could have gotten in.
No pregnancy is guaranteed. Neither is living through them.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Quakers Hill, Australia

#231311 Oct 11, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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Do what's right for you. I'll do what's right for me.
What is right is objective not subjective peroid.
Because we fail to agree on this matter, it is impossible for either to agree with the other so until one of us realises the truth, this debate is pointless.

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#231312 Oct 11, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
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What is right is objective not subjective peroid.
Because we fail to agree on this matter, it is impossible for either to agree with the other so until one of us realises the truth, this debate is pointless.
There's no right or wrong about abortion. Just reasons. Same goes for pregnancy. If the time is right, the woman will see it through- but if she risks suffering complications- she may not see it through and choose abortion. It's often best for both her and the would-be-child.

Unless the nerves have developed, which takes months, there is NO reason why a woman should risk her life for a fetus. So fuck off from criticising. We are all shaped differently; some, to die from labour- others, to survive labour. Unless the woman can't choose for herself, she's likely to suffer greatly during labour. YOU people would stand outside her bedroom window with protest signs and cause miscarage, just to get your ego's heard... I hate you for not respecting the basic right each woman has by birth- TO CHOOSE. So yes, until you've seen the truth- get the **** off this thread and take your zealot friends with you.

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#231313 Oct 11, 2013
Whoever judged NWmoon's last comment as "spam" and "clueless" is a disgusitng excuse for a human being and should be smited by creation itself. Not lethally.. but smited nonetheless -_-' firmly- like whipped or something. By lightning- right at the head, with the hopeful outcome that he/she might think clearer on what it must have been like for women to go throught what NMmoon described.

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#231314 Oct 11, 2013
*MUST BE LIKE.. since labour is still at evolution's mercy, rather than society's. Of course- if zealot brick heads would kindly step aside and let women choose for themselves, abortion could be voted forth as a practical human right- financed by taxes and undergo delicate improvements that prevent the patient from risking sterlity- giving her endless of chances on biological parenthood.

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#231315 Oct 11, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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And then there are things like ectopic pregnancy, where the zygote sticks to the fallopian tube wall rather than properly migrating to the uterus. If that happens the ONLY recourse is abortion, immediately.
My mother had that problem. Thanks to abortion I got to keep her. My dad used to beat her before that. I was beaten some too- before she and I escaped at my age of 3. I'm glad the absence of abortion didn't leave me with him.

Since: Feb 08

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#231316 Oct 11, 2013
AverageGuy87 wrote:
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My mother had that problem. Thanks to abortion I got to keep her. My dad used to beat her before that. I was beaten some too- before she and I escaped at my age of 3. I'm glad the absence of abortion didn't leave me with him.
While it is generally called Therapeutic Abortion in the medical records, the doctors I've known (as friends, not personal physicians) do not consider it an abortion, but as life saving surgery that incidentally happens to remove a foetus from a place it should have never been.
I was extremely lucky. Doc said that had it implanted 1cm higher that I'd have had to have a compete hysterectomy. Just 1cm lower and I'd have bled out in ten minutes the first time it split the fallopian tube and started haemorrhaging, three days before my ER visit.
One of my family wanted so desperately to have a child. She finally managed to get to just over 8 months when, through no fault of her own, the placenta failed and the foetus died before she could even get to the doctor.
Most fertilized eggs never make it to implantation, and many that do, don't do it right. Others simply do not make it, and nobody can know why sometimes.

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#231317 Oct 11, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
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What is right is objective not subjective peroid.
Because we fail to agree on this matter, it is impossible for either to agree with the other so until one of us realises the truth, this debate is pointless.
Don't worry, we'll help you come to the truth of this matter.

And do you really think that there is any objective standard against which "right" can be measured? Ultimately, they are ALL subjective standards.
Ocean56

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#231318 Oct 12, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
Your wish to impose these things on people against their will is just as wrong as standing in the way of those who wish to terminate a pregnancy.
Education and easily obtained birth control will cut the number of abortions sought.
It's about women having the CHOICE and ability to control their own reproductive system.
Exactly, NW. Some anti-choicers are so extreme that they would make all forms of reliable birth control illegal as well as abortion.

Additionally, they are often the narrow-minded types who refuse to allow their teenagers to participate in any comprehensive sex ed programs in their kids' schools. And then they wonder why their teen daughters end up pregnant or why their teen sons end up getting a girl pregnant. Go figure.
Ocean56

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#231319 Oct 12, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
abortion is in no way justifiable in any circumstance. Willfully KILLING an innocent baby is one of the greatest atrocities in our world today. AS IF it can be justified because the mother "simply couldn't afford it" as if to say that a baby is like a pet , a commodity at the anyone's disposal rather than a HUMAN LIFE ?
How sad is it that in today's "CIVILISED" society , we cannot even protect the most vulnerable of our species? We kill millions and millions of babies for our own convenience and make up excuses like "there are no finances" , "the quality of life will be terrible" , "its my body , I can do what I want"? We live in such a selfish society, a polluted culture.
In Australia, couples need to go overseas to adopt children because there are no (or hardly any) children given to foster homes because the babies are aborted .
Abortion rallies are needed to raise awareness about the whole issue. Without awareness , abortion would thrive so its stupid to suggest putting all the money into services for pregnant women. And who's to say there's not enough money going into that sort of care because there is PLENTY . Lets be honest and just admit to the fact that most people abort their children our of convenience rather than sheer "necessity".
Abortion is wrong . Its black and white. Nobody is EVER justified in killing an innocent.
It's not up to YOU or anyone else to decide what a woman "should" do about a pregnancy. If a woman wants to stay pregnant, give birth, and become a mother, fine. If she wants to have an abortion for whatever reason(s), also fine. Either way, it is HER decision, not yours.

What part of "not YOUR pregnancy, not your decision" is too hard for you to understand?
Ocean56

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#231320 Oct 12, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
Because killing your own child in this instance is "responsible" ?. Oh please .
I'll tell you what's responsible. Responsible is learning how to close your legs when you know there's a possibility that you might have a child even though you're not ready for it. Responsible is picking up you game and doing whatever you can to ensure that the your baby has the best life you have given to it. RESPONSIBLE is learning to deal with the consequences of your actions. Why should the BABY (yes .. independent human life who has a soul , has a life full of purpose and happiness before it) be robbed of the opportunity of living just because the parents cant see past their own incompetence?
Guess what; you don't get to decide what is "responsible" for anyone but yourself. Not every woman chooses to remain celibate if she doesn't want children temporarily or permanently, nor should ANY woman have to.

What seems to piss you off big time is the fact that women CAN choose not to become mothers at all or not to have any more children for whatever reasons that apply to them. Too bleeping bad. Just because a woman has sex doesn't mean she has to be punished with forced gestation and birth. And yes, a pregnancy IS a punishment to any woman who never wanted to BE pregnant in the first place. Unfortunately, there's still no form of contraception with a 100% guarantee against unwanted pregnancy.

Not YOUR pregnancy, not your decision, simple as that.
Ocean56

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#231321 Oct 12, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
Why do some WOMEN act like everyone owes them something as if sticking up for what is right is sexist ? These women need to grow some balls and just take responsibility for their actions. There would be no need for abortions if these "poor women" you feel so much for just gained a little self respect, practiced some self control and just closed their legs.
WOW. Misogynistic much? Again, goofy, it's not up to YOU to decide what all women "should" do when it comes to a pregnancy. Nor is it up to you to make sexual and reproductive choices for anyone but yourself. Yes, I'm sure that really "frosts your cookies" to read this, but that's just your tough luck.

NO woman has to remain celibate for life if she doesn't ever want pregnancy or children, contrary to what some regressive religionist morons believe. Unfortunately, there is still no form of birth control on the market that is 100% guaranteed against unwanted pregnancy, so BC failures will still happen at times. But when it does, unless it is YOUR pregnancy, it isn't your decision to make. Suck it up.
Ocean56

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#231322 Oct 12, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
It always comes down to wanting to control women and punish them for being sexual beings with you people.
Exactly. And they always deny that control IS their primary agenda, although the anti-choice nonsense they post clearly says otherwise.
Ocean56

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#231323 Oct 12, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
But what I dont understand is why other mother would kill their children?(actually i do, but still ?.. doesnt it make you think?)
If you mean why would a woman have an abortion, the reason may be a very simple one. Women who don't want pregnancy or children are far more likely to get an abortion than women who do want kids.
Ocean56

AOL

#231324 Oct 12, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
What is right is objective not subjective peroid.
Because we fail to agree on this matter, it is impossible for either to agree with the other so until one of us realises the truth, this debate is pointless.
In other words, you can't convince prochoicers to trade in our views for yours, so you're pissed. Why am I not surprised.

Since: Feb 08

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#231325 Oct 12, 2013
Ocean56!! Long time no see!
Have you heard the sad news about our FundieSmacker?
He died suddenly last week.
Ocean56

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#231326 Oct 13, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
Ocean56!! Long time no see!
Have you heard the sad news about our FundieSmacker?
He died suddenly last week.
This is terrible news, NW, but thanks for letting me know. FS was a great guy and a good friend too. He will be greatly missed, I know.

Since: Apr 12

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#231327 Oct 13, 2013
Nice. One less person advocating for the death of children.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

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#231328 Oct 13, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
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What is right is objective not subjective peroid.
Because we fail to agree on this matter, it is impossible for either to agree with the other so until one of us realises the truth, this debate is pointless.
It is not right for me to drink alcohol. Chances are it is right for you.

I'm getting to the point where it will be right for me to use marijuana to handle pain. Will it be right for you?

For some people, it's right for them to adopt children. Others never should because they are incapable loving a child not biologically related to them. Some people cannot love a child at all.

Right and wrong are NOT objective. If they were, we wouldn't have judges to make a decision as to who was "most" right.

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