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Because killing your own child in this instance is "responsible" ?. Oh please .
I'll tell you what's responsible. Responsible is learning how to close your legs when you know there's a possibility that you might have a child even though you're not ready for it. Responsible is picking up you game and doing whatever you can to ensure that the your baby has the best life you have given to it. RESPONSIBLE is learning to deal with the consequences of your actions. Why should the BABY (yes .. independent human life who has a soul , has a life full of purpose and happiness before it) be robbed of the opportunity of living just because the parents cant see past their own incompetence?
How selfish is it that the BABY should pay the price with it's own life. There are many many many avenues of help. I believe, in general, if people are truly driven, they can do whatever they want, they can make miracles happen. If the mother truly truly valued the life of the BABY , she would find a way.
Never is killing "responsible" .. ever .. Not with abortion , not with euthanasia .. never .
Human life is sacred. EVERY individual is unique and unrepeatable and has a part to play in human existence.
There are no babies or children involved in abortion, with the exception of those children who must obtain one after being raped.
No babies, no children, just wads of goo suctioned out at a time when there is no feeling, no brain, no thoughts. Just a wad of goo that may or may not have come to term if the woman didn't obtain an abortion.
Don't like abortion? Just don't have one. If it's not YOUR uterus, it is NONE of your business.
Oh, and if human life is all that sacred, explain all the killings, rapes, etc that plague the world.
It isn't, it never has been, and why would ANYONE want to force a woman to have a baby she DOES NOT WANT?? WHY would you want that baby to be raised by someone who resents it? Or do you enjoy thinking about the suffering of actual born, living, breathing, feeling children?? Is that what gets you off?

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So basically , if the parents conclude that the quality of the life of the child will be crap due to their lack of finances / or being sent a foster home .. and because the chilld will not get the love it deserves ... rather than try to give a life to that baby, it is best to kill it from the get-go ?
Thats like giving up before you've even started ?
The baby is a HUMAN BEING . and the most basic RIGHT of a HUMAN BEING is LIFE .
Not a baby, not a child, it's a WAD OF GOO. Nothing more. None of your business what the woman decides to do if she didn't plan that pregnancy.

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<quoted text>There are no babies or children involved in abortion, with the exception of those children who must obtain one after being raped.
No babies, no children, just wads of goo suctioned out at a time when there is no feeling, no brain, no thoughts. Just a wad of goo that may or may not have come to term if the woman didn't obtain an abortion.
Don't like abortion? Just don't have one. If it's not YOUR uterus, it is NONE of your business.
Oh, and if human life is all that sacred, explain all the killings, rapes, etc that plague the world.
It isn't, it never has been, and why would ANYONE want to force a woman to have a baby she DOES NOT WANT?? WHY would you want that baby to be raised by someone who resents it? Or do you enjoy thinking about the suffering of actual born, living, breathing, feeling children?? Is that what gets you off?
Human life begins at conception. Now irrespective of whether on not you believe it or not because it doesnt look like one physically (yet) doesnt mean it isnt a person.
Now because that "wad of goo" is a person, and killing a person is WRONG , abortion is therefore WRONG . Its black and white. How hard is that to understand?
Its everybody's business if people are being murdered in the millions. Its so shameful that people would stand around indifferent, that is the saddest thing. "It does not affect me therefore it is not my problem" attitude is stupid and selfish.
Just because that "wad of goo" doesnt have the capacity to think or feel (yet) doesnt mean it isnt a person. It has value in itself because of the fact that it is a living human being.
Nobody is ever justified in committing a wrong, so dont come down on me for trying to do what is RIGHT . Just because its not my uterus does it make it okay to kill the child .. if thats the case whats the difference between killing the child when it's 5 or 12 ?.. its still the same person ?.. and if it was MY child then shouldnt i be entitled to do so ?.
such a stupid argument .

and just because countless people have been killed over the years doesnt mean that life is not sacred or valuable.. that just means that certain leaders were ruthless .. or maybe there was a cause so important that people were prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice and give their lives for it ?.
And in the case of rape .. why should the child pay for the crime of the father ?..*COMMON SENSE*.
If anything research suggests that having an abortion after being raped adds to the psychological trauma instead of healing it so its actually better to just go through with the birth.
ALL IM DOING IS TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT THERE IS A LIFE ON THE LINE ... far out.

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<quoted text> Not a baby, not a child, it's a WAD OF GOO. Nothing more. None of your business what the woman decides to do if she didn't plan that pregnancy.
How dare you ?.. "Wad of Goo" ?! ARE YOU KIDDING ?!.
Go jump off a bridge or something if you have nothing good to contribute to humanity.

Maybe you should change your "I believe in" from 'life' to 'utilitarianism', that would be much more appropriate.

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How dare you ?.. "Wad of Goo" ?! ARE YOU KIDDING ?!.
Go jump off a bridge or something if you have nothing good to contribute to humanity.
Maybe you should change your "I believe in" from 'life' to 'utilitarianism', that would be much more appropriate.
I'm sorry that you don't understand basic biology. Your education system failed you. You can believe any silly thing you want, but abortions (the great majority) are performed at a time when there is naught but a wad of insensate goo. Do you understand the word 'insensate'? It may be life, it is definitely human, but it is not a human baby.
Try caring more for those living breathing children and get your nose out of the uteri of women who don't need or want you butting in where you don't belong.
Don't like abortion? Then, don't have one.

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<quoted text>I'm sorry that you don't understand basic biology. Your education system failed you. You can believe any silly thing you want, but abortions (the great majority) are performed at a time when there is naught but a wad of insensate goo. Do you understand the word 'insensate'? It may be life, it is definitely human, but it is not a human baby.
Try caring more for those living breathing children and get your nose out of the uteri of women who don't need or want you butting in where you don't belong.
Don't like abortion? Then, don't have one.
Why do some WOMEN act like everyone owes them something as if sticking up for what is right is sexist ? These women need to grow some balls and just take responsibility for their actions. There would be no need for abortions if these "poor women" you feel so much for just gained a little self respect, practiced some self control and just closed their legs.
It cowardice to kill the baby because the mother isnt ready or doesn't want it .. as if the value of life is determined by its desirability.
I do care for the breathing , and im trying my best to care for the LIVING .. in particular those in the womb because nobody else gives a shit.
And stop saying "Dont like abortion. Dont have one" because simply sitting around indifferent is not going to help the situation. It needs to stop. The world has lost more people to abortion than to World War II . That is just .. no word can do justice to the vulgarity of the situation..
Though you may honestly believe you're doing something noble for these women , you're not . Did you know that the majority of people who are aborted are female? because in some cultures, males are preferred as they are the laborers of the family.-- I never hear feminists speak about these girls?
So caught up in your prissy bullshit you cant see the truth staring you in the face

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Why do some WOMEN act like everyone owes them something as if sticking up for what is right is sexist ? These women need to grow some balls and just take responsibility for their actions. There would be no need for abortions if these "poor women" you feel so much for just gained a little self respect, practiced some self control and just closed their legs.
It cowardice to kill the baby because the mother isnt ready or doesn't want it .. as if the value of life is determined by its desirability.
I do care for the breathing , and im trying my best to care for the LIVING .. in particular those in the womb because nobody else gives a shit.
And stop saying "Dont like abortion. Dont have one" because simply sitting around indifferent is not going to help the situation. It needs to stop. The world has lost more people to abortion than to World War II . That is just .. no word can do justice to the vulgarity of the situation..
Though you may honestly believe you're doing something noble for these women , you're not . Did you know that the majority of people who are aborted are female? because in some cultures, males are preferred as they are the laborers of the family.-- I never hear feminists speak about these girls?
So caught up in your prissy bullshit you cant see the truth staring you in the face
It always comes down to wanting to control women and punish them for being sexual beings with you people.
You don't know what or how I support or speak out for women. You also don't know what is best for ANYONE but yourself.
Mind your own business, and it's not in the medical decisions of anyone but yourself. Don't like it?
Tough.

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<quoted text>It always comes down to wanting to control women and punish them for being sexual beings with you people.
You don't know what or how I support or speak out for women. You also don't know what is best for ANYONE but yourself.
Mind your own business, and it's not in the medical decisions of anyone but yourself. Don't like it?
Tough.
I couldn't agree with you more. Abortion is up to each and every woman. It's her business, her body. I'd like to grey this out abit though, since there's no science to tell when a fetus can feel pain or not. People should be educated to avoid the need for abortion.

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<quoted text>It always comes down to wanting to control women and punish them for being sexual beings with you people.
You don't know what or how I support or speak out for women. You also don't know what is best for ANYONE but yourself.
Mind your own business, and it's not in the medical decisions of anyone but yourself. Don't like it?
Tough.
* I meant, "..since there's no science to tell WHETHER a fetus can feel pain"
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Why do some WOMEN act like everyone owes them something as if sticking up for what is right is sexist ? These women need to grow some balls and just take responsibility for their actions. There would be no need for abortions if these "poor women" you feel so much for just gained a little self respect, practiced some self control and just closed their legs.
It cowardice to kill the baby because the mother isnt ready or doesn't want it .. as if the value of life is determined by its desirability.
I do care for the breathing , and im trying my best to care for the LIVING .. in particular those in the womb because nobody else gives a shit.
And stop saying "Dont like abortion. Dont have one" because simply sitting around indifferent is not going to help the situation. It needs to stop. The world has lost more people to abortion than to World War II . That is just .. no word can do justice to the vulgarity of the situation..
Though you may honestly believe you're doing something noble for these women , you're not . Did you know that the majority of people who are aborted are female? because in some cultures, males are preferred as they are the laborers of the family.-- I never hear feminists speak about these girls?
So caught up in your prissy bullshit you cant see the truth staring you in the face
Why would women need to "grow balls," as you so angrily wrote? Are you of the mindset that most abortions are performed as a method of birth control?

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Because killing your own child in this instance is "responsible" ?. Oh please .
I'll tell you what's responsible. Responsible is learning how to close your legs when you know there's a possibility that you might have a child even though you're not ready for it. Responsible is picking up you game and doing whatever you can to ensure that the your baby has the best life you have given to it. RESPONSIBLE is learning to deal with the consequences of your actions. Why should the BABY (yes .. independent human life who has a soul , has a life full of purpose and happiness before it) be robbed of the opportunity of living just because the parents cant see past their own incompetence?
How selfish is it that the BABY should pay the price with it's own life. There are many many many avenues of help. I believe, in general, if people are truly driven, they can do whatever they want, they can make miracles happen. If the mother truly truly valued the life of the BABY , she would find a way.
Never is killing "responsible" .. ever .. Not with abortion , not with euthanasia .. never .
Human life is sacred. EVERY individual is unique and unrepeatable and has a part to play in human existence.
And here we go! It's always the woman's fault when a pregnancy occurs, isn't it?

Tell me, do you ever suggest that men keep their pants zipped? Or that they control their urges? Do you ever smack a male upside the head when he drools at a teenage girl? Do you ever suggest that HE be responsible for birth control? Or that he man up and be a father to his child?

Of course not! It's ALWAYS up to women. Women aren't supposed to have sex because they "might" get pregnant. Apparently men are supposed to fornicate only with men who cannot get pregnant?

Let me tell you, if it weren't for women owning up to their responsibility and raising children when the father turns tail and runs, the population of this country would be considerably lower. I am one of those women. Moon is another. We raised our children alone because the "man" who helped conceive them wasn't "man" enough to stay around to raise them.

But not everyone is up to that. Certainly a 14 year old girl isn't. And if she's "owned up to her responsibility" 2 or 3 times, and is maxed out, why should she be forced to have a 4th child to raise alone?

Unfortunately irresponsible men aren't force to wear a tattoo on their forehead warning women about their nature.

Thank you for showing everyone here what a Neanderthal a "liberal thinker" really is.

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Human life begins at conception.
Please prove this statement.

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<quoted text>It always comes down to wanting to control women and punish them for being sexual beings with you people.
You don't know what or how I support or speak out for women. You also don't know what is best for ANYONE but yourself.
Mind your own business, and it's not in the medical decisions of anyone but yourself. Don't like it?
Tough.
NO ?! NO it IS NOT . thats the point im trying to get across. Its about the CHILD for crying out loud ?. Stop trying to make it out like the mother is the victim when the CHILD is the one being killed. Just for your information I'm a girl too and i dont believe in that "feel sorry for me because im a woman" bullshit. I know that getting pregnant is not only the womans fault but also the fathers but your making it out like they had no choice in the matter whatsoever.
I hate it when women act like people owe them more than their due. Honestly. The primary concern in this instance should be the child , but you obviously prefer to put it on the mother.
Why do I believe that the concern be on the child? because it is a being worthy of life. A person who has their whole lives ahead of them. As if you would rob that child of the opportunity to live because it is all too much for the parents at the present time. Hardships are only temporary but memories last forever.
I believe in safeguarding the lives of those innocent people and give props to mothers in general because it's one hell of a duty.
This kind of procedure is evil and affects the world as we know it because it encourages people to kill for their own convenience and encourages other to think less of the value of human life.
I wonder if any of you have done research on the effects of abortion on women? The psychological impacts ? All you feminists I challenge you to go and research the effects of abortion on women and then come back and tell me how its all "happy happy joy joy" because its her decision, and take credit for all that depression and those suicides because you supported a choice which would damage her for the rest of her life.
Of course its the mothers choice because its her body , but just because she can do it, does it make it right?

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I couldn't agree with you more. Abortion is up to each and every woman. It's her business, her body. I'd like to grey this out abit though, since there's no science to tell when a fetus can feel pain or not. People should be educated to avoid the need for abortion.
Abortion is a choice *no kidding - because everyone has a free will*, but is it right?...It is the woman's duty to, not only take care of her body but also to do what it right for her and her child and never is abortion the right thing to do. Deliberately killing a baby is never good or responsible.

And just because the fetus cant feel the pain, does that mean it's okay to kill it ?- Where does this kind of thinking come from ?.. As if its somewhat merciful because the baby cant feel it ? wow .

People should be educated about the sanctity of human life in general and recognise that every living human individual, irrespective of race, gender and class is of incalculable worth. That is why I hate abortion. I hate it because it degrades the lives of humans to mere objects. It is so wrong. It is so sad that we cant even recognise that we're killing humans. We kill off the most vulnerable in society beginning with the youngest (abortion) and the oldest (euthanasia). We've come to think of ourselves as Gods when we cant even make our own hearts beat.

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Please prove this statement.
Since I'm no scientist , I'll let these world renowned scientists say it for themselves.

http://www.princeton.edu/~prolife/articles/em...

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Why would women need to "grow balls," as you so angrily wrote? Are you of the mindset that most abortions are performed as a method of birth control?
No, I was just annoyed because the person I was writing to kept making it out like the only victim in abortions are the women when in reality the only victim is the child, who's life is on the line.
The woman should have known full well that pregnancy was a possibility and therefore should take responsibility for her actions (but of course its not her fault completely).. but just because you dont want it, doesnt justify the abortion. If anything it is running away from the responsibility of caring for the child, and if you cant afford it then give it up for adoption. In todays society, with all the technology we have there is no excuse. If our ancestors could do it (raise children but couldnt necessarily afford it), then so can we.
There is so much beauty in raising a child and so much horror in killing it.

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And here we go! It's always the woman's fault when a pregnancy occurs, isn't it?
Tell me, do you ever suggest that men keep their pants zipped? Or that they control their urges? Do you ever smack a male upside the head when he drools at a teenage girl? Do you ever suggest that HE be responsible for birth control? Or that he man up and be a father to his child?
Of course not! It's ALWAYS up to women. Women aren't supposed to have sex because they "might" get pregnant. Apparently men are supposed to fornicate only with men who cannot get pregnant?
Let me tell you, if it weren't for women owning up to their responsibility and raising children when the father turns tail and runs, the population of this country would be considerably lower. I am one of those women. Moon is another. We raised our children alone because the "man" who helped conceive them wasn't "man" enough to stay around to raise them.
But not everyone is up to that. Certainly a 14 year old girl isn't. And if she's "owned up to her responsibility" 2 or 3 times, and is maxed out, why should she be forced to have a 4th child to raise alone?
Unfortunately irresponsible men aren't force to wear a tattoo on their forehead warning women about their nature.
Thank you for showing everyone here what a Neanderthal a "liberal thinker" really is.
Yes I completely agree but the way this writer was putting it, it was as if the female was in no way responsible. Some men are just dickheads , but as women we shouldnt descend to their level and abort our children.
I admire those women who raise kids on their own because the fathers couldnt man up. I respect those mother who sacrifice so much for their kids. I truly do. But what I dont understand is why other mother would kill their children?(actually i do, but still ?.. doesnt it make you think?)
In the case of your 14yo child , as if they wouldnt have learnt by the 2nd child , if anything that suggests that there is something wrong with the girl ?
"Unfortunately irresponsible men aren't force to wear a tattoo on their forehead warning women about their nature."
Then by all means suss out what a man is really like before you decide to get intimate with him.

I believe wholeheartedly in defending the lives of these children who have no voices to speak because their testimony should be heard.

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* I meant, "..since there's no science to tell WHETHER a fetus can feel pain"
Have a good day
Actually, there is. It's not possible for a wad of goo with NO nervous system and no brain to feel anything.
Unfortunately for many, some people don't want the public to be informed or educated on biology or foetal development because they want to manipulate others' emotions with false claims, such as a foetus of 8 weeks being able to feel anything or know what is going on about it.

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NO ?! NO it IS NOT . thats the point im trying to get across. Its about the CHILD for crying out loud ?. Stop trying to make it out like the mother is the victim when the CHILD is the one being killed. Just for your information I'm a girl too and i dont believe in that "feel sorry for me because im a woman" bullshit. I know that getting pregnant is not only the womans fault but also the fathers but your making it out like they had no choice in the matter whatsoever.
I hate it when women act like people owe them more than their due. Honestly. The primary concern in this instance should be the child , but you obviously prefer to put it on the mother.
Why do I believe that the concern be on the child? because it is a being worthy of life. A person who has their whole lives ahead of them. As if you would rob that child of the opportunity to live because it is all too much for the parents at the present time. Hardships are only temporary but memories last forever.
I believe in safeguarding the lives of those innocent people and give props to mothers in general because it's one hell of a duty.
This kind of procedure is evil and affects the world as we know it because it encourages people to kill for their own convenience and encourages other to think less of the value of human life.
I wonder if any of you have done research on the effects of abortion on women? The psychological impacts ? All you feminists I challenge you to go and research the effects of abortion on women and then come back and tell me how its all "happy happy joy joy" because its her decision, and take credit for all that depression and those suicides because you supported a choice which would damage her for the rest of her life.
Of course its the mothers choice because its her body , but just because she can do it, does it make it right?
No, it is not a child, it is not a baby. Those are BORN HUMAN BEINGS.
Regardless of whatever romantic notions you have about it, conception does not equal child.
Never has, never will.
When ETAs are performed there is only a wad of goo that may have the potential to develop, but no guarantee.
Pregnancy is ALWAYS potentially a health and life threatening condition.
It is NEVER guaranteed to come to term resulting in a healthy live mother and child, no matter how well the woman cares for herself or how much she wants to carry to term. NEVER.
Now, should you ever become pregnant, you are perfectly free to attempt to carry that to term. That would be YOUR CHOICE. Your choice to risk your health and life, your choice to commit to caring for the child (should you succeed in carrying to term), your choice to go through the pregnancy. However, I suspect you are male, and your only real goal is to see that women are controlled and turned back into the chattel that we once were.
Sorry, we aren't going back, and nobody owes you any explanation or reasoning about what medical decisions they make or what they are.
Not your uterus? Not your body? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
It's that simple, kid.
Oh, and by the way, you keep attributing things to me that I have not said. STFU if you can't stick to the facts, although I can see that you have a very slim grip on things that are true. You seem to be living in some sort of fairy tale world.

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Abortion is a choice *no kidding - because everyone has a free will*, but is it right?...It is the woman's duty to, not only take care of her body but also to do what it right for her and her child and never is abortion the right thing to do. Deliberately killing a baby is never good or responsible.
And just because the fetus cant feel the pain, does that mean it's okay to kill it ?- Where does this kind of thinking come from ?.. As if its somewhat merciful because the baby cant feel it ? wow .
People should be educated about the sanctity of human life in general and recognise that every living human individual, irrespective of race, gender and class is of incalculable worth. That is why I hate abortion. I hate it because it degrades the lives of humans to mere objects. It is so wrong. It is so sad that we cant even recognise that we're killing humans. We kill off the most vulnerable in society beginning with the youngest (abortion) and the oldest (euthanasia). We've come to think of ourselves as Gods when we cant even make our own hearts beat.
Keep your religion and god where they belong. In your heart, your home, your church, YOUR LIFE. Your beliefs are just that, YOUR BELIEFS. Nobody else is required to share them, and many of us don't like people like you constantly shoving your superstitions down our throats or trying to make us live by your bronze age standards.
Good bye troll child, find another bridge. You're ignorant and boring with your self righteousness and silly insistence that woman must obey you.

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