There is Everything Wrong with Abortion
freemdan

Donora, PA

#231228 Sep 9, 2013
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sex is the problem

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#231230 Sep 9, 2013
Plead guilty that he gave his girlfriend a drug knowing it would cause her to have a miscarriage.
If he hadn't plead guilty he could have spent 30 years in prison for murder!
You can't murder a blob of flesh!!
Get it now killers?

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-accuse...

Since: Feb 08

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#231231 Sep 9, 2013
lilaclady wrote:
Plead guilty that he gave his girlfriend a drug knowing it would cause her to have a miscarriage.
If he hadn't plead guilty he could have spent 30 years in prison for murder!
You can't murder a blob of flesh!!
Get it now killers?
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-accuse...
Just because one reporter is so ignorant doesn't change the fact that a wad of goo is not a baby.
Besides, that woman DID NOT WANT AN ABORTION. He violated her CHOICE, which was to attempt to carry to term.
There is still no guarantee that she would have done so had there been no interference, but it was HER CHOICE and he POISONED her. Nobody here who is pro-choice would support his actions.
You're just too ignorant to get it.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#231232 Oct 5, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Just because one reporter is so ignorant doesn't change the fact that a wad of goo is not a baby.
Besides, that woman DID NOT WANT AN ABORTION. He violated her CHOICE, which was to attempt to carry to term.
There is still no guarantee that she would have done so had there been no interference, but it was HER CHOICE and he POISONED her. Nobody here who is pro-choice would support his actions.
You're just too ignorant to get it.
The man's equal rights to kill his child should supercede her right to privacy. Plain and simple.

Since: Feb 08

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#231233 Oct 5, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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The man's equal rights to kill his child should supercede her right to privacy. Plain and simple.
No, troll, he has no right to anything to do with her health care decisions.

Since: Oct 13

Sweden

#231234 Oct 6, 2013
There is no science to the exact things you experience as a fetus. Therefore it's a hightly immoral risk to wait for the egg to become a fetus before abortion. It takes two weeks to detect pregnancy, a month for the egg to become a fetus- and a mere pill to prevent the egg from growing.

This should not add up to a law however; I'm for abortion, since it's every woman's right to decide for herself. But she must be aware of the risk I mentioned above, should she 'risk' pregnancey. With proper education on the matter, law enforcement won't be necessary for each woman to make the right decission.

“orally fixated”

Since: Aug 07

Allentown, PA

#231235 Oct 6, 2013
Clone wrote:
<quoted text>He does exist, in their minds. In the womb, after birth and today in their brainwashed minds god is as real as the air. The human mind was tricked by entities not of this earth. The entities want the primitive human animal left in the dark as to the humans true existence........the earth is a floating petri dish and humans are the subjects. Only humans that can accept the truth are intelligent beings. The rest are brainwashed followers!
Oh, that's not crazy or anything...

Since: Oct 13

Croatia

#231236 Oct 7, 2013
Judge taging without following up with argumentation is childish and pointless. So, try to disagree with this:

As a fetus, there's a risk you can experience actual pain. There's no science to back that up with facts, but there's a risk. Still, abortion must be an option should a woman feel worried and afraid about labour. Especially if she's a rape victim, or risks serious complications- it MUST be up to HER.

It's a complicated matter. On the other hand there's a little life we talk about, and on the other we talk about labour, a physical effort that to many women can be overwhelming and frightening.

Preventing the need for abortion through careful education must be no.1 priority. You can detect pregnancy after two weeks so you'll have plenty of time to prevent the egg from growing. This must be a freedom to each and every woman out there.

We can look at this matter from atheistic and religious angles alike, but it all comes down to the woman carrying this tiny life: IT MUST BE UP TO HER.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wakeley, Australia

#231237 Oct 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
An extremely well written editorial published yesterday in the Christian Science Monitor:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2...
Religious and political groups that funnel tremendous resources into a legal war to limit and even ban abortion in America are at best, wasting time, and at worst, damaging efforts to protect the unborn. Texas’s new abortion law – one of the toughest in the country – is only the latest in a string of efforts to limit abortions in numerous states across the US.........
Coming from a Christian Science magazine ..oh my life ...

abortion is in no way justifiable in any circumstance. Willfully KILLING an innocent baby is one of the greatest atrocities in our world today. AS IF it can be justified because the mother "simply couldn't afford it" as if to say that a baby is like a pet , a commodity at the anyone's disposal rather than a HUMAN LIFE ?
How sad is it that in today's "CIVILISED" society , we cannot even protect the most vulnerable of our species? We kill millions and millions of babies for our own convenience and make up excuses like "there are no finances" , "the quality of life will be terrible" , "its my body , I can do what I want"? We live in such a selfish society, a polluted culture.
In Australia, couples need to go overseas to adopt children because there are no (or hardly any) children given to foster homes because the babies are aborted .
Abortion rallies are needed to raise awareness about the whole issue. Without awareness , abortion would thrive so its stupid to suggest putting all the money into services for pregnant women. And who's to say there's not enough money going into that sort of care because there is PLENTY . Lets be honest and just admit to the fact that most people abort their children our of convenience rather than sheer "necessity".
Abortion is wrong . Its black and white. Nobody is EVER justified in killing an innocent.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

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#231238 Oct 7, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
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Coming from a Christian Science magazine ..oh my life ...
abortion is in no way justifiable in any circumstance. Willfully KILLING an innocent baby is one of the greatest atrocities in our world today. AS IF it can be justified because the mother "simply couldn't afford it" as if to say that a baby is like a pet , a commodity at the anyone's disposal rather than a HUMAN LIFE ?
How sad is it that in today's "CIVILISED" society , we cannot even protect the most vulnerable of our species? We kill millions and millions of babies for our own convenience and make up excuses like "there are no finances" , "the quality of life will be terrible" , "its my body , I can do what I want"? We live in such a selfish society, a polluted culture.
In Australia, couples need to go overseas to adopt children because there are no (or hardly any) children given to foster homes because the babies are aborted .
Abortion rallies are needed to raise awareness about the whole issue. Without awareness , abortion would thrive so its stupid to suggest putting all the money into services for pregnant women. And who's to say there's not enough money going into that sort of care because there is PLENTY . Lets be honest and just admit to the fact that most people abort their children our of convenience rather than sheer "necessity".
Abortion is wrong . Its black and white. Nobody is EVER justified in killing an innocent.
This data is from 2001, so I realize it's very old, but at that time, there were almost 17,000 (SEVENTEEN THOUSAND) foster children in Australia.

That people want BABIES is not an excuse.

The people who "desperately want a child" throw away older children and go to foreign countries to adopt a baby.

What is responsible about giving birth to a child you don't want, don't have the finances or time to raise, and will possibly resent? HOW is that responsible?

This isn't a litter of puppies. it's a HUMAN BEING. What is responsible about keeping the child while it's little and cute and THEN giving it to the foster system?

It's not a 9 month commitment here, we are talking a 20 year minimum commitment. That is not something to be taken lightly. And it should be a life long commitment.

You expect people to decide to bring a child into the world because birth control failed? Or they forgot to use it? People use more discretion in buying a home or getting a pet. It's a HUMAN BEING and as such, deserves to be born loved and wanted into a home where it will be nurtured, loved, and taken care of. Not born simply because the condom broke.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wakeley, Australia

#231239 Oct 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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This data is from 2001, so I realize it's very old, but at that time, there were almost 17,000 (SEVENTEEN THOUSAND) foster children in Australia.
That people want BABIES is not an excuse.
The people who "desperately want a child" throw away older children and go to foreign countries to adopt a baby.
What is responsible about giving birth to a child you don't want, don't have the finances or time to raise, and will possibly resent? HOW is that responsible?
This isn't a litter of puppies. it's a HUMAN BEING. What is responsible about keeping the child while it's little and cute and THEN giving it to the foster system?
It's not a 9 month commitment here, we are talking a 20 year minimum commitment. That is not something to be taken lightly. And it should be a life long commitment.
You expect people to decide to bring a child into the world because birth control failed? Or they forgot to use it? People use more discretion in buying a home or getting a pet. It's a HUMAN BEING and as such, deserves to be born loved and wanted into a home where it will be nurtured, loved, and taken care of. Not born simply because the condom broke.
So basically , if the parents conclude that the quality of the life of the child will be crap due to their lack of finances / or being sent a foster home .. and because the chilld will not get the love it deserves ... rather than try to give a life to that baby, it is best to kill it from the get-go ?
Thats like giving up before you've even started ?
The baby is a HUMAN BEING . and the most basic RIGHT of a HUMAN BEING is LIFE .

Since: Feb 08

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#231240 Oct 7, 2013
Once again for you uneducated, uninformed control freaks...
There are no babies involved in abortion. During the period when most are performed, it is an insensate wad of goo.
There is no nervous system to transmit pain during that time, so there cannot be any pain for the embryo or foetus.
NO pregnancy is guaranteed to come to term, regardless of how much it is wanted. NOT ONE. Nor is there any guarantee that the woman will live through the experience. ESPECIALLY in the USA, we have one of the HIGHEST mother/infant mortality rates of any "civilized" country.
It isn't a baby, and it is nobody's business but the woman who faces an unplanned pregnancy. It is HER health that is compromised, HER life at stake.

Adoptions, they're no fairy tale ending either. While there are good prospective parents out there, far too many have their own agenda, and should never have children in their care.

Education IS the key, but when that isn't done, or birth control fails (and there is NO BC that is 100% effective, not even surgical sterilization)
Don't like abortion? Then just do not have one.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

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#231241 Oct 7, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
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So basically , if the parents conclude that the quality of the life of the child will be crap due to their lack of finances / or being sent a foster home .. and because the chilld will not get the love it deserves ... rather than try to give a life to that baby, it is best to kill it from the get-go ?
Thats like giving up before you've even started ?
The baby is a HUMAN BEING . and the most basic RIGHT of a HUMAN BEING is LIFE .
Where does it state that? What law book? Again, it's not a doll, it's not a puppet, it's a BABY. If you know you cannot be the mother the child deserves, and know you cannot give it up for adoption, then by having an abortion, you are making the RESPONSIBLE choice.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wakeley, Australia

#231242 Oct 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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Where does it state that? What law book? Again, it's not a doll, it's not a puppet, it's a BABY. If you know you cannot be the mother the child deserves, and know you cannot give it up for adoption, then by having an abortion, you are making the RESPONSIBLE choice.
Because killing your own child in this instance is "responsible" ?. Oh please .
I'll tell you what's responsible. Responsible is learning how to close your legs when you know there's a possibility that you might have a child even though you're not ready for it. Responsible is picking up you game and doing whatever you can to ensure that the your baby has the best life you have given to it. RESPONSIBLE is learning to deal with the consequences of your actions. Why should the BABY (yes .. independent human life who has a soul , has a life full of purpose and happiness before it) be robbed of the opportunity of living just because the parents cant see past their own incompetence?
How selfish is it that the BABY should pay the price with it's own life. There are many many many avenues of help. I believe, in general, if people are truly driven, they can do whatever they want, they can make miracles happen. If the mother truly truly valued the life of the BABY , she would find a way.

Never is killing "responsible" .. ever .. Not with abortion , not with euthanasia .. never .

Human life is sacred. EVERY individual is unique and unrepeatable and has a part to play in human existence.

Since: Feb 08

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#231243 Oct 7, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
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Because killing your own child in this instance is "responsible" ?. Oh please .
I'll tell you what's responsible. Responsible is learning how to close your legs when you know there's a possibility that you might have a child even though you're not ready for it. Responsible is picking up you game and doing whatever you can to ensure that the your baby has the best life you have given to it. RESPONSIBLE is learning to deal with the consequences of your actions. Why should the BABY (yes .. independent human life who has a soul , has a life full of purpose and happiness before it) be robbed of the opportunity of living just because the parents cant see past their own incompetence?
How selfish is it that the BABY should pay the price with it's own life. There are many many many avenues of help. I believe, in general, if people are truly driven, they can do whatever they want, they can make miracles happen. If the mother truly truly valued the life of the BABY , she would find a way.
Never is killing "responsible" .. ever .. Not with abortion , not with euthanasia .. never .
Human life is sacred. EVERY individual is unique and unrepeatable and has a part to play in human existence.
There are no babies or children involved in abortion, with the exception of those children who must obtain one after being raped.
No babies, no children, just wads of goo suctioned out at a time when there is no feeling, no brain, no thoughts. Just a wad of goo that may or may not have come to term if the woman didn't obtain an abortion.
Don't like abortion? Just don't have one. If it's not YOUR uterus, it is NONE of your business.
Oh, and if human life is all that sacred, explain all the killings, rapes, etc that plague the world.
It isn't, it never has been, and why would ANYONE want to force a woman to have a baby she DOES NOT WANT?? WHY would you want that baby to be raised by someone who resents it? Or do you enjoy thinking about the suffering of actual born, living, breathing, feeling children?? Is that what gets you off?

Since: Feb 08

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#231244 Oct 7, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
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So basically , if the parents conclude that the quality of the life of the child will be crap due to their lack of finances / or being sent a foster home .. and because the chilld will not get the love it deserves ... rather than try to give a life to that baby, it is best to kill it from the get-go ?
Thats like giving up before you've even started ?
The baby is a HUMAN BEING . and the most basic RIGHT of a HUMAN BEING is LIFE .
Not a baby, not a child, it's a WAD OF GOO. Nothing more. None of your business what the woman decides to do if she didn't plan that pregnancy.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wakeley, Australia

#231245 Oct 7, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>There are no babies or children involved in abortion, with the exception of those children who must obtain one after being raped.
No babies, no children, just wads of goo suctioned out at a time when there is no feeling, no brain, no thoughts. Just a wad of goo that may or may not have come to term if the woman didn't obtain an abortion.
Don't like abortion? Just don't have one. If it's not YOUR uterus, it is NONE of your business.
Oh, and if human life is all that sacred, explain all the killings, rapes, etc that plague the world.
It isn't, it never has been, and why would ANYONE want to force a woman to have a baby she DOES NOT WANT?? WHY would you want that baby to be raised by someone who resents it? Or do you enjoy thinking about the suffering of actual born, living, breathing, feeling children?? Is that what gets you off?
Human life begins at conception. Now irrespective of whether on not you believe it or not because it doesnt look like one physically (yet) doesnt mean it isnt a person.
Now because that "wad of goo" is a person, and killing a person is WRONG , abortion is therefore WRONG . Its black and white. How hard is that to understand?
Its everybody's business if people are being murdered in the millions. Its so shameful that people would stand around indifferent, that is the saddest thing. "It does not affect me therefore it is not my problem" attitude is stupid and selfish.
Just because that "wad of goo" doesnt have the capacity to think or feel (yet) doesnt mean it isnt a person. It has value in itself because of the fact that it is a living human being.
Nobody is ever justified in committing a wrong, so dont come down on me for trying to do what is RIGHT . Just because its not my uterus does it make it okay to kill the child .. if thats the case whats the difference between killing the child when it's 5 or 12 ?.. its still the same person ?.. and if it was MY child then shouldnt i be entitled to do so ?.
such a stupid argument .

and just because countless people have been killed over the years doesnt mean that life is not sacred or valuable.. that just means that certain leaders were ruthless .. or maybe there was a cause so important that people were prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice and give their lives for it ?.
And in the case of rape .. why should the child pay for the crime of the father ?..*COMMON SENSE*.
If anything research suggests that having an abortion after being raped adds to the psychological trauma instead of healing it so its actually better to just go through with the birth.
ALL IM DOING IS TRYING TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE THAT THERE IS A LIFE ON THE LINE ... far out.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wakeley, Australia

#231246 Oct 7, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text> Not a baby, not a child, it's a WAD OF GOO. Nothing more. None of your business what the woman decides to do if she didn't plan that pregnancy.
How dare you ?.. "Wad of Goo" ?! ARE YOU KIDDING ?!.
Go jump off a bridge or something if you have nothing good to contribute to humanity.

Maybe you should change your "I believe in" from 'life' to 'utilitarianism', that would be much more appropriate.

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#231247 Oct 7, 2013
LIBER-THINKER wrote:
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How dare you ?.. "Wad of Goo" ?! ARE YOU KIDDING ?!.
Go jump off a bridge or something if you have nothing good to contribute to humanity.
Maybe you should change your "I believe in" from 'life' to 'utilitarianism', that would be much more appropriate.
I'm sorry that you don't understand basic biology. Your education system failed you. You can believe any silly thing you want, but abortions (the great majority) are performed at a time when there is naught but a wad of insensate goo. Do you understand the word 'insensate'? It may be life, it is definitely human, but it is not a human baby.
Try caring more for those living breathing children and get your nose out of the uteri of women who don't need or want you butting in where you don't belong.
Don't like abortion? Then, don't have one.

“Fast before the feast”

Since: Oct 13

Wakeley, Australia

#231248 Oct 7, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>I'm sorry that you don't understand basic biology. Your education system failed you. You can believe any silly thing you want, but abortions (the great majority) are performed at a time when there is naught but a wad of insensate goo. Do you understand the word 'insensate'? It may be life, it is definitely human, but it is not a human baby.
Try caring more for those living breathing children and get your nose out of the uteri of women who don't need or want you butting in where you don't belong.
Don't like abortion? Then, don't have one.
Why do some WOMEN act like everyone owes them something as if sticking up for what is right is sexist ? These women need to grow some balls and just take responsibility for their actions. There would be no need for abortions if these "poor women" you feel so much for just gained a little self respect, practiced some self control and just closed their legs.
It cowardice to kill the baby because the mother isnt ready or doesn't want it .. as if the value of life is determined by its desirability.
I do care for the breathing , and im trying my best to care for the LIVING .. in particular those in the womb because nobody else gives a shit.
And stop saying "Dont like abortion. Dont have one" because simply sitting around indifferent is not going to help the situation. It needs to stop. The world has lost more people to abortion than to World War II . That is just .. no word can do justice to the vulgarity of the situation..
Though you may honestly believe you're doing something noble for these women , you're not . Did you know that the majority of people who are aborted are female? because in some cultures, males are preferred as they are the laborers of the family.-- I never hear feminists speak about these girls?
So caught up in your prissy bullshit you cant see the truth staring you in the face

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