There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#231198 Jul 21, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> On what objective basis do you assume innocent blood can be spilled again and again and again with zero consequences to the country which sanctions such practices through legal abortion? This includes all the atrocities committed post legal abortion which brought about regulation. You must figure since the procedure is legal there is no real consequences for a country which repeatedly violates the Laws of God.
Any person opposing is accused of somehow wanting to establish a Theocracy! Such stupidity, both moral and actual is simply hard to comprehend. I think that is why Christians speak out against these things. They have a moral obligation to tell people the truth whether they want to hear it or not. Spilling innocent blood under these circumstances brings about all sorts of nasty consequences from God.
Blah blah blah. When you can come up with some actual point that doesn't come down to "my imaginary sky boss says so" try again.
Your proselytizing is boring and off topic. You have NO right to impose your religious bullshyte on the rest of us. Keep your personal religious beliefs personal. They don't belong in our laws.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#231199 Jul 22, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Abortion clinics a MURDER FACILITIES!! And Christ Almighty will PUNISH those who MURDER His precious unborn children!!! While there are some exceptions, abortion in general is WRONG!!
Who says it is wrong? Jehovah God is into abortion as a tool of war. And Moses is into aborting babies if the husband is jealous.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#231200 Jul 22, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> On what objective basis do you assume innocent blood can be spilled again and again and again with zero consequences to the country which sanctions such practices through legal abortion? This includes all the atrocities committed post legal abortion which brought about regulation. You must figure since the procedure is legal there is no real consequences for a country which repeatedly violates the Laws of God.
Any person opposing is accused of somehow wanting to establish a Theocracy! Such stupidity, both moral and actual is simply hard to comprehend. I think that is why Christians speak out against these things. They have a moral obligation to tell people the truth whether they want to hear it or not. Spilling innocent blood under these circumstances brings about all sorts of nasty consequences from God.
Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires abortion. Where the mother's life is in jeopardy because of the unborn child, abortion is mandatory.

An unborn child has the status of "potential human life" until the majority of the body has emerged from the mother. Potential human life is valuable, and may not be terminated casually, but it does not have as much value as a life in existence. The Talmud makes no bones about this: it says quite bluntly that if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, you cut it up within her body and remove it limb by limb if necessary, because its life is not as valuable as hers. But once the greater part of the body has emerged, you cannot take its life to save the mother's, because you cannot choose between one human life and another.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#231201 Jul 22, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Thou shall not murder. I do not want a theocracy. I do not want Obama as head of the church. State religion was abolished post civil war through a Supreme Court Ruling. You call God vindictive and cruel, yet it is you who advocate for legal abortion and that makes you vindictive and cruel. Also a hypocrite since you repeatedly state females are not property and yet treat fetuses as disposable property with zero rights.
A fetus has rights like my arm has rights until it survives birth.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#231202 Jul 22, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Education is not the problem since pro aborts have been blaming it all on lack of education since to early 70s and before. The problem is with irresponsibility since people basically know how to prevent pregnancies.
So you approve of forcing irresponsible people to have the sacred task of raising children? You are sane, sure you are.
Lily does Drugs

Phoenix, AZ

#231205 Jul 29, 2013
lightbeamrider wrote:
<quoted text> Thou shall not murder. I do not want a theocracy. I do not want Obama as head of the church. State religion was abolished post civil war through a Supreme Court Ruling. You call God vindictive and cruel, yet it is you who advocate for legal abortion and that makes you vindictive and cruel. Also a hypocrite since you repeatedly state females are not property and yet treat fetuses as disposable property with zero rights.
Here we go with that stupid "abortion is murder' comment. Abortion cannot be murder and I will tell you why.

Murder is "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought".
Take notice of the words unlawfully, person, and malice.

1) Abortion is legal...therefore it cannot be unlawful and not a crime.
2) A fetus is not a person.
3) A woman does not get an abortion out of malice towards the fetus.

Hence, abortion CANNOT be murder. Simple concept. It's so terribly sad that hordes of ignorant people do not understand something so elementary.

BTW, people who believe that choice should be kept legal do NOT advocate for abortion. We just believe a woman should have the right to make up her own mind in regard to her reproductive choices if she becomes pregnant. I've never met a person who is an 'abortion advocate'. It is all about a woman having the choice to do what she wants to do with her own pregnancy. Another woman's pregnancy and reproductive choices are none of your business. Keep your nose out of other people's crotches.
Lily does Drugs

Phoenix, AZ

#231207 Jul 29, 2013
Diana0218 wrote:
Somebody who have no responsibility!!
You make no sense and no one has any idea what post or who you are responding to with this 'statement'.
Hit 'reply' then type in your post. And the proper word would be 'has' not 'have' in your confusing sentence. Didn't you learn tenses in like 2nd grade?

“Behave Yourself”

Since: Jul 07

Fort Worth, Texas

#231208 Jul 30, 2013
Lily does Drugs wrote:
<quoted text>
You make no sense and no one has any idea what post or who you are responding to with this 'statement'.
Hit 'reply' then type in your post. And the proper word would be 'has' not 'have' in your confusing sentence. Didn't you learn tenses in like 2nd grade?
Judging from that poster's location, it's possible that English isn't his or her first language. I do agree with you however, the post was confusing.
godfather

Miami, FL

#231213 Aug 4, 2013
im pro abortion when the parents are not serious about staying together...one night stands resulting in kids is not a good thing..

the parents are clearly not of the highest caliber...so why should we degenerate the human race with their kids?
godfather

Miami, FL

#231214 Aug 4, 2013
people that are too horny, too dumb and too irresponsible to have kids should NOT have kids...they should have another beer so they get out of our lives as fast as possble...
godfather

Miami, FL

#231215 Aug 4, 2013
unfortunately, lots of dumb parents get lots of dumb kids...abortion, sterilisation, castration should have been adopted

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#231216 Aug 4, 2013
godfather wrote:
unfortunately, lots of dumb parents get lots of dumb kids...abortion, sterilisation, castration should have been adopted
Your wish to impose these things on people against their will is just as wrong as standing in the way of those who wish to terminate a pregnancy.
Education and easily obtained birth control will cut the number of abortions sought.
It's about women having the CHOICE and ability to control their own reproductive system.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#231220 Sep 5, 2013
An extremely well written editorial published yesterday in the Christian Science Monitor:

http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2...

Religious and political groups that funnel tremendous resources into a legal war to limit and even ban abortion in America are at best, wasting time, and at worst, damaging efforts to protect the unborn. Texas’s new abortion law – one of the toughest in the country – is only the latest in a string of efforts to limit abortions in numerous states across the US.

Members of the pro-life movement spend countless dollars and hours on rallies and lobbying without providing adequate financial and emotional support for women to actually maintain pregnancies. And the majority of women who have abortions cite not being able to afford a child as one of the main reasons for their decision.

Members of the pro-life movement spend countless dollars and hours on rallies and lobbying without providing adequate financial and emotional support for women to actually maintain pregnancies. And the majority of women who have abortions cite not being able to afford a child as one of the main reasons for their decision.

That’s just the cost of pre-natal care. That doesn’t include the cost of delivering the child, or the cost of raising that child for 18 years afterward. Nor does it include the cost to the government – and taxpayers – of managing children in foster care when their parents are unwilling or unable to care for them.

It’s no surprise that, according to a study by the Guttmacher Institute in 2005, 73 percent of women terminating their pregnancies cited not being able to afford a baby as a reason for their decision.

So while pro-life Americans spend millions of dollars on events geared toward making abortion illegal, there were 1.16 million women who came to the conclusion in 2009 (a figure that has steadily decreased since the 1990s) that they could not carry their child to term – many of them because of money. The money spent on the March for Life alone could pay for prenatal care for around 6,600 women, or prenatal vitamins for nearly 250,000.

Even if those who participate in the March for Life were able to successfully revoke the legality of abortion in the US, or substantially limit the time in which women can obtain an abortion, statistics indicate that it wouldn’t necessarily protect the unborn. The Guttmacher Institute’s statistics show that abortion rates are higher in countries where it is illegal and procedures are often unsafe.

Even more disheartening are statistics from the Turnaway Study done by The University of California, San Francisco, which showed that women who sought abortions and were turned away (because they had passed their state's gestational limits) were three times more likely to fall into poverty than women who obtained an abortion.

ANOTHER VIEW: Serious about reducing abortion? Make women see an ultrasound of the procedure.

A woman’s decision to have an abortion often stems from a very real and legitimate fear that she will not be able to care for a child. Pro-life supporters and activists spend incredibly large sums to take away that decision, but do not provide the equivalent practical support women need to have a baby. Is that really a fight for life? Or just a fight for a long sought-after political goal? It’s time the pro-life movement focuses its resources more on helping women and babies, not gaining legislative power that ultimately will do little to protect the unborn.

Elizabeth Jahr is a senior at Marymount University in Arlington, Va. majoring in politics and theology and religious studies.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#231221 Sep 6, 2013
lilaclady wrote:
Amen, can't wait. The signs are getting clearer every day.
I just pray that the non believers see the truth before it's too late.
<quoted text>
considering what you did to christina,,,,,,,i wouldn't be so quick to meet your imaginary sky daddy.

now go buy more passed over panties at the outlet stores, because you can't buy sexy ones!
ShesaBabyKiller

Colorado Springs, CO

#231222 Sep 6, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
An extremely well written editorial published yesterday in the Christian Science Monitor:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Commentary/Opinion/2...
Religious and political groups that funnel tremendous resources into a legal war to limit and even ban abortion in America are at best, wasting time, and at worst, damaging efforts to protect the unborn. Texas’s new abortion law – one of the toughest in the country – is only the latest in a string of efforts to limit abortions in numerous states across the US.
Members of the pro-life movement spend countless dollars and hours on rallies and lobbying without providing adequate financial and emotional support for women to actually maintain pregnancies. And the majority of women who have abortions cite not being able to afford a child as one of the main reasons for their decision.
Members of the pro-life movement spend countless dollars and hours on rallies and lobbying without providing adequate financial and emotional support for women to actually maintain pregnancies. And the majority of women who have abortions cite not being able to afford a child as one of the main reasons for their decision.
That’s just the cost of pre-natal care. That doesn’t include the cost of delivering the child, or the cost of raising that child for 18 years afterward. Nor does it include the cost to the government – and taxpayers – of managing children in foster care when their parents are unwilling or unable to care for them.
It’s no surprise that, according to a study by the Guttmacher Institute in 2005, 73 percent of women terminating their pregnancies cited not being able to afford a baby as a reason for their decision.
So while pro-life Americans spend millions of dollars on events geared toward making abortion illegal, there were 1.16 million women who came to the conclusion in 2009 (a figure that has steadily decreased since the 1990s) that they could not carry their child to term – many of them because of money. The money spent on the March for Life alone could pay for prenatal care for around 6,600 women, or prenatal vitamins for nearly 250,000.
Even if those who participate in the March for Life were able to successfully revoke the legality of abortion in the US, or substantially limit the time in which women can obtain an abortion, statistics indicate that it wouldn’t necessarily protect the unborn. The Guttmacher Institute’s statistics show that abortion rates are higher in countries where it is illegal and procedures are often unsafe.
Even more disheartening are statistics from the Turnaway Study done by The University of California, San Francisco, which showed that women who sought abortions and were turned away (because they had passed their state's gestational limits) were three times more likely to fall into poverty than women who obtained an abortion.
ANOTHER VIEW: Serious about reducing abortion? Make women see an ultrasound of the procedure.
A woman’s decision to have an abortion often stems from a very real and legitimate fear that she will not be able to care for a child. Pro-life supporters and activists spend incredibly large sums to take away that decision, but do not provide the equivalent practical support women need to have a baby. Is that really a fight for life? Or just a fight for a long sought-after political goal? It’s time the pro-life movement focuses its resources more on helping women and babies, not gaining legislative power that ultimately will do little to protect the unborn.
Elizabeth Jahr is a senior at Marymount University in Arlington, Va. majoring in politics and theology and religious studies.
She likes killing babies, feti, zygotes, or whatever term you want to use. She declares that a child in the womb should be aborted.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#231223 Sep 6, 2013
ShesaBabyKiller wrote:
<quoted text>
She likes killing babies, feti, zygotes, or whatever term you want to use. She declares that a child in the womb should be aborted.
It is such a shame that they have no education in CO. There are no babies involved in abortion. I hope someone as ignorant as you will be sterilized as soon as possible.
ShesaBabyKiller

Colorado Springs, CO

#231224 Sep 6, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>It is such a shame that they have no education in CO. There are no babies involved in abortion. I hope someone as ignorant as you will be sterilized as soon as possible.
NWMoon(Beam) is also a killer and a fool. I hope you get breast and ovarian cancer as payment in kind.
ShesaBabyKiller

Colorado Springs, CO

#231225 Sep 6, 2013
ShesaBabyKiller wrote:
<quoted text>
NWMoon(Beam) is also a killer and a fool. I hope you get breast and ovarian cancer as payment in kind.
... and uterine cancer.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#231226 Sep 6, 2013
ShesaBabyKiller wrote:
<quoted text>
NWMoon(Beam) is also a killer and a fool. I hope you get breast and ovarian cancer as payment in kind.
When have I killed anyone? Stating biological facts does not make one a murderer.
Wishing disease and death are you? What wonderful moral values you have!

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#231227 Sep 9, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>When have I killed anyone? Stating biological facts does not make one a murderer.
Wishing disease and death are you? What wonderful moral values you have!
when they can't answer with facts......they resort to lies and name calling.

it's their concession speech.

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