There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#230374 May 16, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Uh, Sangelia, I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain that MP was referring to either stupawilly or lightfarce, about their attitudes matching your description, NOT about YOU.
Your post was quite clear (the one to which she replied) about your gender.
I think we've had another of the same sort of mistaken point taken that someone took when I posted about carrying a pregnancy that had resulted from rape to term.
if you take a look at the post she responded to in calling a male and fruitcake.. it was my post that I did in response to her post.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#230375 May 16, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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So you’re saying that being pregnant for nine months gives the woman all of the choices, but paying child support for eighteen years counts for nothing, except that the woman gets to choose whether he will have to pay it or not. And when you talk about child support, the topic suddenly turns to the responsibility of the parent. This seems like no coincidence.
So the woman has no responsibility to the preborn child’s well-being, but the father does only if the woman chooses it. This sounds like the child has no rights, the man has no rights, and the woman has all the rights. That definitely sounds like a double standard/contradiction to me.
I'm saying that my life is more important than your money - I was alive to raise my children, and I did it without benefit of child support - chiefly because my ex was never FORCED to pay child support, as you would prefer to FORCE me to gestate, even against my will.

I risked my life every time I got pregnant - so you can bet your ass I had all the choices regarding whether or not to stay that way. I really couldn't care any less what you or anyone else had or has to say in the matter. It's not a double standard, unless you men start risking your lives in service to a pregnancy.

Oh, and fuck you.

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#230376 May 16, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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You're entitled to your opinion. However, just because some disagree doesn't mean it's right for them to hamper the ability of women to procure an abortion.
When did I hamper anyone!

On they contrary, it is the abortionists who are quite literally throwing babies in a "hamper".
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#230377 May 16, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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When did I hamper anyone!
On they contrary, it is the abortionists who are quite literally throwing babies in a "hamper".
Why? We're not forcing women to abort their fetuses like your kind of people are forcing women to gestate against their will. You miss the entire point about Pro CHOICE being that of women being able to DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES whether they want to be pregnant or not.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#230378 May 16, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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Why? We're not forcing women to abort their fetuses like your kind of people are forcing women to gestate against their will. You miss the entire point about Pro CHOICE being that of women being able to DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES whether they want to be pregnant or not.
They don't think we have the ability to make our own medical choices...much less the right to.

At least not when we're pregnant.

They don't even think a lot of women know what they are pregnant with...

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#230379 May 17, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>They don't think we have the ability to make our own medical choices...much less the right to.
At least not when we're pregnant.
They don't even think a lot of women know what they are pregnant with...
On the contrary, I DO think women are competent to make thier own medical choices, the government should butt thier heads out of that and so should everyone else, period, it's private.

Yes, I'm against abortion, but there are no simple solutions. I don't condemn or judge anyone. I don't stand there in front of an abortion clinic shouting at people, that is EQUALLY WRONG. Spend your valuable time actually doing something you aught to be doing.

I let my vote do my talking, that's it. If I go about condemning people for the choices they make, I violate the very principles I stand for, freedom and fairness.

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#230380 May 17, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
<quoted text>
Why? We're not forcing women to abort their fetuses like your kind of people are forcing women to gestate against their will. You miss the entire point about Pro CHOICE being that of women being able to DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES whether they want to be pregnant or not.
I didn't say you were forcing anybody to do anything, did I? I don't force anybody to do anything, what's this "your kind" mentality. Sounds judgemental to me. I haven't missed the point. I just have an opposin point of view. I don't condemn.

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#230381 May 17, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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James 1:26
"If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless."
I TOTALLY agree with the bible verse! Oh how i wish the "minister" with a bullhorn spouting hateful things like "killer, murderer" outside of the local planned parenthood would read this verse and take it seriously!

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#230382 May 17, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Uh, Sangelia, I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain that MP was referring to either stupawilly or lightfarce, about their attitudes matching your description, NOT about YOU.
Your post was quite clear (the one to which she replied) about your gender.
I think we've had another of the same sort of mistaken point taken that someone took when I posted about carrying a pregnancy that had resulted from rape to term.
Yeah, "stupawilly", you'r so kind, my "attitude"????, I suppose you know me and know my attitude, my character, how I treat other people in the real world?

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#230383 May 17, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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I TOTALLY agree with the bible verse! Oh how i wish the "minister" with a bullhorn spouting hateful things like "killer, murderer" outside of the local planned parenthood would read this verse and take it seriously!
A lot of people who declare their love and devotion to Christianity need to heed this. Personally, I'm not a believer, but I find it hypocritical when people proclaim themselves Christians then spend their time, as you said, spouting hateful things. It's kind of contradictory to what God said.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#230384 May 17, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Uh, Sangelia, I could be wrong, but I'm fairly certain that MP was referring to either stupawilly or lightfarce, about their attitudes matching your description, NOT about YOU.
Your post was quite clear (the one to which she replied) about your gender.
I think we've had another of the same sort of mistaken point taken that someone took when I posted about carrying a pregnancy that had resulted from rape to term.
Yes, I'm very confused by that response. I'm not sure if she thought I was referring to her when I used the term fruitcake, but I was referring to the poster she was also commenting on. Was sort of taken aback by the response. Just going to chalk it up to a misunderstanding, although, I'm still not sure what happened there.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#230385 May 17, 2013
superwilly wrote:
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Yeah, "stupawilly", you'r so kind, my "attitude"????, I suppose you know me and know my attitude, my character, how I treat other people in the real world?
Perhaps you're not the same superwilly that was here before, if so, sorry for the mistake.
If you're the same one that was here (unregistered) some time ago, then it applies. If the shoe fits....
If you think your opinion on women's decisions about their health are any of your business, then it does fit.
Angel1976

Rockford, MI

#230386 May 17, 2013
"Amazing Story of a Mother on MOTHER'S DAY":

When Carolyn Isbister put her 20oz baby on her chest for a cuddle, she thought that it would be the only chance she would ever have to hold her.

Doctors had told the parents that baby Rachel only had only minutes to live because her heart was beating once every ten seconds and she was not breathing.

Isbister remembers:
I didn’t want her to die being cold. So I lifted her out of her blanket and put her against my skin to warm her up. Her feet were so cold.

It was the only cuddle I was going to have with her, so I wanted to remember the moment.” Then something remarkable happened. The warmth of her mother’s skin kick started Rachael’s heart into beating properly, which allowed her to take little breaths of her own.

We couldn’t believe it – and neither could the doctors. She let out a tiny cry.

The doctors came in and said there was still no hope – but I wasn’t letting go of her. We had her blessed by the hospital chaplain, and waited for her to slip away. But she still hung on.

And then amazingly the pink color began to return to her cheeks. She literally was turning from gray to pink before our eyes, and she began to warm up too.

The sad part is that when the baby was born, doctors took one look at her and said ‘no’.

They didn’t even try to help her with her breathing as they said it would just prolong her dying. Everyone just gave up on her,” her mom remembered.

At 24 weeks a womb infection had led to her premature labor and birth and Isbister (who also has two children Samuel, 10, and Kirsten, 8 ) said,“We were terrified we were going to lose her. I had suffered three miscarriages before, so we didn’t think there was much hope.” When Rachael was born she was grey and lifeless.

Ian Laing, a consultant neonatologist at the hospital, said:“All the signs were that the little one was not going to make it and we took the decision to let mum have a cuddle as it was all we could do.

Two hours later the wee thing was crying. This is indeed a miracle baby and I have seen nothing like it in my 27 years of practice. I have not the slightest doubt that mother’s love saved her daughter.”

Rachael was moved onto a ventilator where she continued to make steady progress and was tube and syringe fed her mother’s pumped breastmilk.

Isbister said,“The doctors said that she had proved she was a fighter and that she now deserved some intensive care as there was some hope. She had done it all on her own – without any medical intervention or drugs. She had clung on to life – and it was all because of that cuddle. It had warmed up her body and regulated her heart and breathing enough for her to start fighting.

At 5 weeks she was taken off the ventilator and began breastfeeding on her own. At four months Rachel went home with her parents, weighing 8lbs – the same as any other healthy newborn. Because Rachel had suffered from a lack of oxygen doctors said there was a high risk of damage to her brain. But a scan showed no evidence of any problems and today Rachel is on par with her peers.

Rachel’s mom tells us,“She is doing so well. When we brought her home, the doctors told us that she was a remarkable little girl. And most of all, she just loves her cuddles. She will sleep for hours, just curled into my chest. It was that first cuddle which saved her life – and I’m just so glad I trusted my instinct and picked her up when I did. Otherwise she wouldn’t be here today.”

Type "I Love You Mom" if you really care for your Mom

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#230387 May 17, 2013
[QUOTE who="Angel1976]Type "I Love You Mom" if you really care for your Mom[/QUOTE]No one here takes orders from you.
Begone, troll.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#230388 May 17, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, I'm very confused by that response. I'm not sure if she thought I was referring to her when I used the term fruitcake, but I was referring to the poster she was also commenting on. Was sort of taken aback by the response. Just going to chalk it up to a misunderstanding, although, I'm still not sure what happened there.
should have said that.
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thing is, the post you did that to. was one that I did in response to what you said. take a look at the post numbers. as in what you said in post #230360
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
This particular male is a fruit cake. It does many times come down to how men view women.
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even if you did not mean it as in towards me. you should have said the person's handle in the post of who you were referring to. since you did not. and it was a response to one of my posts. it came out apparently directed at me when you did your posts with you calling a person a male and a fruitcake.
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if it was supposed to have been lightforce or someone else. do it to THEIR post.
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post number #230360 was in response to #230348
post number #230348 was in response to #230343 it was explaining on how some males do view women.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#230389 May 17, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
should have said that.
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thing is, the post you did that to. was one that I did in response to what you said. take a look at the post numbers. as in what you said in post #230360 <quoted text>
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even if you did not mean it as in towards me. you should have said the person's handle in the post of who you were referring to. since you did not. and it was a response to one of my posts. it came out apparently directed at me when you did your posts with you calling a person a male and a fruitcake.
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if it was supposed to have been lightforce or someone else. do it to THEIR post.
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post number #230360 was in response to #230348
post number #230348 was in response to #230343 it was explaining on how some males do view women.
Oh, bullshyte. You misunderstood, then when we told you that, you continued being all huffy. Get over yourself and maybe take a step back.
It was clear enough to all the rest of us that she wasn't talking about YOU. We not only got it, we tried to let you know, but you thought you knew better. You were WRONG.
Move on, and next time get clarification before going off on another pro-choice poster. As I did when recently one poster thought I was insisting that other women must carry rape related pregnancies to term.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#230390 May 17, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Oh, bullshyte. You misunderstood, then when we told you that, you continued being all huffy. Get over yourself and maybe take a step back.
It was clear enough to all the rest of us that she wasn't talking about YOU. We not only got it, we tried to let you know, but you thought you knew better. You were WRONG.
Move on, and next time get clarification before going off on another pro-choice poster. As I did when recently one poster thought I was insisting that other women must carry rape related pregnancies to term.
Some people....

:)
LightForce

Warren, MI

#230391 May 17, 2013
Angel1976 wrote:
"Amazing Story of a Mother on MOTHER'S DAY":
When Carolyn Isbister put her 20oz baby on her chest for a cuddle, she thought that it would be the only chance she would ever have to hold her.
Doctors had told the parents that baby Rachel only had only minutes to live because her heart was beating once every ten seconds and she was not breathing.
Isbister remembers:
I didn’t want her to die being cold. So I lifted her out of her blanket and put her against my skin to warm her up. Her feet were so cold.
It was the only cuddle I was going to have with her, so I wanted to remember the moment.” Then something remarkable happened. The warmth of her mother’s skin kick started Rachael’s heart into beating properly, which allowed her to take little breaths of her own.
We couldn’t believe it – and neither could the doctors. She let out a tiny cry.
The doctors came in and said there was still no hope – but I wasn’t letting go of her. We had her blessed by the hospital chaplain, and waited for her to slip away. But she still hung on.
And then amazingly the pink color began to return to her cheeks. She literally was turning from gray to pink before our eyes, and she began to warm up too.
The sad part is that when the baby was born, doctors took one look at her and said ‘no’.
They didn’t even try to help her with her breathing as they said it would just prolong her dying. Everyone just gave up on her,” her mom remembered.
At 24 weeks a womb infection had led to her premature labor and birth and Isbister (who also has two children Samuel, 10, and Kirsten, 8 ) said,“We were terrified we were going to lose her. I had suffered three miscarriages before, so we didn’t think there was much hope.” When Rachael was born she was grey and lifeless.
Ian Laing, a consultant neonatologist at the hospital, said:“All the signs were that the little one was not going to make it and we took the decision to let mum have a cuddle as it was all we could do.
Two hours later the wee thing was crying. This is indeed a miracle baby and I have seen nothing like it in my 27 years of practice. I have not the slightest doubt that mother’s love saved her daughter.”
Rachael was moved onto a ventilator where she continued to make steady progress and was tube and syringe fed her mother’s pumped breastmilk.
Isbister said,“The doctors said that she had proved she was a fighter and that she now deserved some intensive care as there was some hope. She had done it all on her own – without any medical intervention or drugs. She had clung on to life – and it was all because of that cuddle. It had warmed up her body and regulated her heart and breathing enough for her to start fighting.
At 5 weeks she was taken off the ventilator and began breastfeeding on her own. At four months Rachel went home with her parents, weighing 8lbs – the same as any other healthy newborn. Because Rachel had suffered from a lack of oxygen doctors said there was a high risk of damage to her brain. But a scan showed no evidence of any problems and today Rachel is on par with her peers.
Rachel’s mom tells us,“She is doing so well. When we brought her home, the doctors told us that she was a remarkable little girl. And most of all, she just loves her cuddles. She will sleep for hours, just curled into my chest. It was that first cuddle which saved her life – and I’m just so glad I trusted my instinct and picked her up when I did. Otherwise she wouldn’t be here today.”
Type "I Love You Mom" if you really care for your Mom
Thank you for sharing this story. Moms are God's angels.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Pickerington, OH

#230392 May 17, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
should have said that.
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thing is, the post you did that to. was one that I did in response to what you said. take a look at the post numbers. as in what you said in post #230360 <quoted text>
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even if you did not mean it as in towards me. you should have said the person's handle in the post of who you were referring to. since you did not. and it was a response to one of my posts. it came out apparently directed at me when you did your posts with you calling a person a male and a fruitcake.
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if it was supposed to have been lightforce or someone else. do it to THEIR post.
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post number #230360 was in response to #230348
post number #230348 was in response to #230343 it was explaining on how some males do view women.
Considering that we've engaged in conversation numerous times about this very topic, I didn't realize I needed to clarify, especially since I used a male pronoun and I know you aren't a male. Either way, I think maybe you probably shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions and jump down someone's throat and instead, either give them the benefit of the doubt or ask for clarification. In the two years I've been posting on here, typically if I and another poster are talking back and forth or have in the past, we don't necessarily refer specifically about whom we are speaking because it's the natural progression of the conversation.

It doesn't really matter, but I just hope maybe next time you aren't so quick to go off.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Pickerington, OH

#230393 May 17, 2013
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for sharing this story. Moms are God's angels.
Does that apply to mothers who drown their children? Or try to give them away on Craigslist? Or inject heroin while they're pregnant?

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