LightForce

Warren, MI

#229984 May 7, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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You must be really dumb. If you think that any of what you posted "bothers" me, you're not very bright. I was making fun of you and your ridiculousness. It makes sense that you wouldn't have the mental capacity to understand the difference.
You’re just sounding like all of the other anti-lifers on here. Because of the fact that all of your arguments have been soundly destroyed/discredited, you simply dismiss the argument, and/or engage in profane/obscene/outraged discourse in a futile attempt to intimidate the pro-lifers.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#229986 May 7, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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You’re just sounding like all of the other anti-lifers on here. Because of the fact that all of your arguments have been soundly destroyed/discredited, you simply dismiss the argument, and/or engage in profane/obscene/outraged discourse in a futile attempt to intimidate the pro-lifers.
No one's argument has been destroyed/discredited except the people who use "god" as the basis of their argument.

No woman should ever be forced to remain pregnant and give birth against her will.

That is the crux of our argument. And it has not been destroyed or discredited.

Why? Because a woman has more worth than simply the contents o her uterus. Because it's RIGHT. Because she's a human being, not a brood mare. Because birth control fails. Because it's LAW. A woman has autonomy over her body. And if a state such as South Dakota makes abortion illegal, then they simply travel to North Dakota or to Minnesota, or to Iowa.

No woman will EVER be forced to remain pregnant again in the USA. Ever.

You, who find a fetus more valuable than than the sentient human being carrying it, are anti-lifers. You are fetus-worshippers. You care about that fetus, UNTIL it's born. Then you turn your attention to anther woman's uterus, totally disregarding what may be right for her, and focus ONLY on the fetus. You don't think about how it's going to be raised, or will it be loved, fed, and nurtured. Only that it's BORN. Once it's born, you lose interest.

You are the most anti-life group on this planet.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#229987 May 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
<quoted text>
No one's argument has been destroyed/discredited except the people who use "god" as the basis of their argument.
No woman should ever be forced to remain pregnant and give birth against her will.
That is the crux of our argument. And it has not been destroyed or discredited.
Why? Because a woman has more worth than simply the contents o her uterus. Because it's RIGHT. Because she's a human being, not a brood mare. Because birth control fails. Because it's LAW. A woman has autonomy over her body. And if a state such as South Dakota makes abortion illegal, then they simply travel to North Dakota or to Minnesota, or to Iowa.
No woman will EVER be forced to remain pregnant again in the USA. Ever.
You, who find a fetus more valuable than than the sentient human being carrying it, are anti-lifers. You are fetus-worshippers. You care about that fetus, UNTIL it's born. Then you turn your attention to anther woman's uterus, totally disregarding what may be right for her, and focus ONLY on the fetus. You don't think about how it's going to be raised, or will it be loved, fed, and nurtured. Only that it's BORN. Once it's born, you lose interest.
You are the most anti-life group on this planet.
Exactly.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#229988 May 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for proving my point.
Point and match. You got her. She has not yet once provided any evidence of anything. Just a yapper with nothing to say.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#229989 May 7, 2013
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
You’re just sounding like all of the other anti-lifers on here. Because of the fact that all of your arguments have been soundly destroyed/discredited, you simply dismiss the argument, and/or engage in profane/obscene/outraged discourse in a futile attempt to intimidate the pro-lifers.
Mmmm...no, none of my arguments have been destroyed or discredited. Not one. I'm not dismissing the argument - in fact - there is no argument. Abortion is a right. I'm also not seeking to intimidate you. The only people who need to intimidate are those who are threatened themselves. I'm not worried about the legality of abortion. I'm thankful that it remains a legal and safe option for women in this country.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#229990 May 7, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Mmmm...no, none of my arguments have been destroyed or discredited. Not one. I'm not dismissing the argument - in fact - there is no argument. Abortion is a right. I'm also not seeking to intimidate you. The only people who need to intimidate are those who are threatened themselves. I'm not worried about the legality of abortion. I'm thankful that it remains a legal and safe option for women in this country.
Many of the "pro-lifers" attempt to intimidate with comments like "god'll get you" or similar religious references.
phleb 1

Chicago, IL

#229991 May 7, 2013
Many pro-lifers attempt to intimidate? Lmao! Keep telling yourself that mamsan. Your filthy conscience is getting the best of you.
Village

Cincinnati, OH

#229992 May 7, 2013
It is never right to kill an unborn baby. It's not the babies fault. If god allows a women to become pregnant then how is it the women's choice to kill it. It's not.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#229993 May 7, 2013
Village wrote:
It is never right to kill an unborn baby. It's not the babies fault. If god allows a women to become pregnant then how is it the women's choice to kill it. It's not.
We're discussing early term abortions for the most part. Wads of goo are removed, not babies.
Besides, if you're too stupid and uneducated to know that, or to know that the possessive of baby is baby's, then you're far too ignorant to be telling ANYONE what medical decisions they should make.
Not YOUR uterus? Not your pregnancy? NONE of your business. Don't like it? Too bad, so sad for you.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#229994 May 7, 2013
Village wrote:
It is never right to kill an unborn baby. It's not the babies fault. If god allows a women to become pregnant then how is it the women's choice to kill it. It's not.
I guess god allows women to be raped, too?

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#229995 May 7, 2013
Village wrote:
It is never right to kill an unborn baby. It's not the babies' fault. If god allows a women to become pregnant then how is it the women's choice to kill it. It's not.
If god allows you to become riddled with living cancer cells, how is it your choice to kill them?

Humans have been busily remedying unwanted medical conditions for thousands of years.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229996 May 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
<quoted text>
No one's argument has been destroyed/discredited except the people who use "god" as the basis of their argument.
No woman should ever be forced to remain pregnant and give birth against her will.
That is the crux of our argument. And it has not been destroyed or discredited.
Why? Because a woman has more worth than simply the contents o her uterus. Because it's RIGHT. Because she's a human being, not a brood mare. Because birth control fails. Because it's LAW. A woman has autonomy over her body. And if a state such as South Dakota makes abortion illegal, then they simply travel to North Dakota or to Minnesota, or to Iowa.
No woman will EVER be forced to remain pregnant again in the USA. Ever.
You, who find a fetus more valuable than than the sentient human being carrying it, are anti-lifers. You are fetus-worshippers. You care about that fetus, UNTIL it's born. Then you turn your attention to anther woman's uterus, totally disregarding what may be right for her, and focus ONLY on the fetus. You don't think about how it's going to be raised, or will it be loved, fed, and nurtured. Only that it's BORN. Once it's born, you lose interest.
You are the most anti-life group on this planet.
Although your opinion makes about as much logic as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic does and is completely wrong on so many levels, it’s still relatively refreshing to see something other than just personal attacks on another individual.

Your views are actually “pro-parent’s-right-to-kill-th eir-child”– let’s be honest here. And selfish motives for killing another individual are not a valid argument in a “just” society. The fact that someone may spoil your vacation plans is not good enough reason to kill them either.

However this Nazi idealism got to be this far ingrained into our society’s customs, it is important that we do everything now that we can to try and reverse it.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229997 May 7, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>If god allows you to become riddled with living cancer cells, how is it your choice to kill them?
Humans have been busily remedying unwanted medical conditions for thousands of years.
Do cancer cells become adult human beings? Ignorant.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229998 May 7, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>We're discussing early term abortions for the most part. Wads of goo are removed, not babies.
Besides, if you're too stupid and uneducated to know that, or to know that the possessive of baby is baby's, then you're far too ignorant to be telling ANYONE what medical decisions they should make.
Not YOUR uterus? Not your pregnancy? NONE of your business. Don't like it? Too bad, so sad for you.
You're either against abortion after about 4 weeks when the fetus can no longer be confused with just a "wad of goo", or you're just simply contradicting what you are saying and discrediting yourself by doing it.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#229999 May 7, 2013
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
Do cancer cells become adult human beings? Ignorant.
Life is life, right? Who are we to judge what constitutes life, right? I mean, any life that arises within the human body must've been put there by god, regardless if it's cancer or a zygote. Right?
LightForce

Warren, MI

#230000 May 7, 2013
HOW “PRO-CHOICE AFFECTED THE LIVES OF TWO PEOPLE

The clinic worker took one look at the moving baby and told Angele that she would get her supervisor. But the minutes ticked by, and no one came. It became clear to Angele that Violene was not going to summon help. She grabbed her phone and quickly dialed her friend, pleading with her to call 911 and send paramedics to save her baby.

Angele continued to be left alone with her son, who she said reacted to her voice. All she could do was try and comfort him:

“I stayed beside Rowan talking to him, telling him how strong he was being and how proud I was of him. I told him God must really want us to be together for him to make it through everything he had just been through and that Mommy was so sorry but so happy to have a chance to love him. I told him he was a strong little miracle and that I couldn’t wait for him to meet his brother and sister. I just kept touching him, trying to warm him with my hands and talking to him so he would not feel any more afraid than he already must.”

FOR THE REST OF THIS “PRO-CHOICE STORY: http://www.lifenews.com/2013/05/07/mom-scream...

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#230001 May 7, 2013
LightForce wrote:
HOW “PRO-CHOICE AFFECTED THE LIVES OF TWO PEOPLE
The clinic worker took one look at the moving baby and told Angele that she would get her supervisor. But the minutes ticked by, and no one came. It became clear to Angele that Violene was not going to summon help. She grabbed her phone and quickly dialed her friend, pleading with her to call 911 and send paramedics to save her baby.
Angele continued to be left alone with her son, who she said reacted to her voice. All she could do was try and comfort him:
“I stayed beside Rowan talking to him, telling him how strong he was being and how proud I was of him. I told him God must really want us to be together for him to make it through everything he had just been through and that Mommy was so sorry but so happy to have a chance to love him. I told him he was a strong little miracle and that I couldn’t wait for him to meet his brother and sister. I just kept touching him, trying to warm him with my hands and talking to him so he would not feel any more afraid than he already must.”
FOR THE REST OF THIS “PRO-CHOICE STORY: http://www.lifenews.com/2013/05/07/mom-scream...
How abortion helped me:

I was able to continue working at my job, was not overwhelmed with expensive hospital costs since I had no insurance, I was able to get an even better job making more money, I was able to get away from a bad relationship, I was able to start my career as a freelance writer and editor...the list just goes on and on.

Thank you to all those who have fought for the pro-choice movement!
LightForce

Warren, MI

#230002 May 7, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Life is life, right? Who are we to judge what constitutes life, right? I mean, any life that arises within the human body must've been put there by god, regardless if it's cancer or a zygote. Right?
Four related points:

1. We kill cancer cells in self-defense.

2. We put murderers in prison as an act of self-defense.

3. We protect all human life because it is in essence, an act of self-defense.

4. If a pregnancy is life threatening to the mother, then it would be an act of self-defense for the mother to abort the fetus.

I never brought God into the discussion.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#230003 May 7, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
How abortion helped me:
I was able to continue working at my job, was not overwhelmed with expensive hospital costs since I had no insurance, I was able to get an even better job making more money, I was able to get away from a bad relationship, I was able to start my career as a freelance writer and editor...the list just goes on and on.
Thank you to all those who have fought for the pro-choice movement!
What I'm seeing here is "How 'killing my child' helped me". You don't see that? So you were a selfish child who didn't understand what you were doing - get over it now.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#230004 May 7, 2013
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
Four related points:
1. We kill cancer cells in self-defense.
2. We put murderers in prison as an act of self-defense.
3. We protect all human life because it is in essence, an act of self-defense.
4. If a pregnancy is life threatening to the mother, then it would be an act of self-defense for the mother to abort the fetus.
I never brought God into the discussion.
1. Cancer isn't always obliterated and some people don't seek treatment for cancer. Voluntarily.
2. We allow murderers to go free.
3. We don't protect all human life. We raise speed limits, we fight back against regulations that would force businesses to cut back on pollution. We value the almighty dollar over human life.
4. If anyone is pregnant and doesn't want to be, that's threatening her life. Whether physically, mentally or emotionally - she has every right to eliminate that threat.

You don't have to bring god into this particular discussion. It's there whether you introduce it or not.

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