There is Everything Wrong with Abortion
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#229974 May 6, 2013
LightForce wrote:
IS MURDER JUST BUISINESS AS USUAL FOR PRO-CHOICERS?
Gosnell’s clinic was not illegal. It was a licensed medical facility. The state of his clinic was well known: there were repeated complaints to government officials and even the local Planned Parenthood. He wasn’t operating under the radar but in plain sight, and he received referrals from abortion clinics up and down the East Coast.
Gosnell was not forced to operate in the dark because of anti–abortion rights regulations. It’s the opposite: he was able to flourish—pulling in $1.8 million a year—because multiple abortion rights administrations decided that to inspect his clinic might mean limiting access to abortion. It’s all in the grand jury report.
One of the bodies discovered in the raid of the clinic was of a 22-week-old baby with a surgical incision on the back of her neck, which penetrated the first and second vertebrae. The only thing that would make her death illegal would be if Gosnell failed to finish her off in her mother’s womb. That so many people in the media seem untroubled by the idea that 12 inches in one direction is a “private medical decision” and 12 inches in the other direction causes people to react in horror, should be troubling.
SEE MORE TROUBLING PRO-CHOICE VIEWS HERE: http://www.lifenews.com/2013/05/06/abortion-a...
Next thing you know, they'll start accusing us of drinking "fetal fluids" and having sex in the woods with demons.

Ooh, the horror! HAHAHAHAHAHA~
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229975 May 6, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Yes, yes. We love aborted babies. Just love them. We love to read the details of every snip-snip. You got us! Man you're so on target. How did you know?
I’m just stating the facts. If it bothers you, it might mean that you have a conscience. I don’t think that is a bad thing.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#229976 May 6, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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I’m just stating the facts. If it bothers you, it might mean that you have a conscience. I don’t think that is a bad thing.
I don't believe you understand the concept of internet humour, do you?

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#229977 May 6, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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I’m just stating the facts. If it bothers you, it might mean that you have a conscience. I don’t think that is a bad thing.
You must be really dumb. If you think that any of what you posted "bothers" me, you're not very bright. I was making fun of you and your ridiculousness. It makes sense that you wouldn't have the mental capacity to understand the difference.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

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#229978 May 7, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Well THAT sucked....
Let's try again.
https://www.google.com/search...
Last time I checked, reading these posts was optional.

Since: Sep 07

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#229979 May 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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Show me just one post in which I say how horrible ALL men are.
Just one.
While you're at it, show me one in which I lied.
I'm not holding my breath. You're all smack-talk and no action.
Oh please,please hold your breath..LOLOL

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

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#229980 May 7, 2013
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>Oh please,please hold your breath..LOLOL
Thank you for proving my point.

Since: Sep 07

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#229981 May 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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Thank you for proving my point.
You got the wrong point,but I am not surprised. Idiot!
Organised Religion _ EVIL

London, UK

#229982 May 7, 2013
Is the MAWKISH sentiment really necessary its not scientific + its affecting the credibility of your beliefs imo

Abortion is KILLING a LIFE YES ??!We can agree on that SHALLOW + ARBITRARILY objectively meaningless you keep pumping out

Well then how about U TELL ME your hopefully pre thought ideas (since U R over emoting for a serious objective so biasing things there's no room for objective killing subjective emotions discussion about the KILLING of life ( or IS IT HOW life is killed then be consistent then its not abortion thats the problem but HOW its executed.) WHEN exactly at which point does this life come about so we know before that life is not being killed if the women urgently needs life saving treatment what window its still possible for medicine to use that wont risk killing a life.or do you mean a certain degree of conciousness/awareness of the environment/response to stimulus. from your reactions its seems you already know for certain when the foetus suffers heinous pain making a serious accusation about Doctors breaking there Hippocratic oath i hope your info to make such statements in highly accurate and from accurate primary sources scientific papers not propaganda full media article that have an axe to grind + are unscientific + manipulative with showing the evidence

BTW any idea if you had to make a choice between something that had little conciousness, little to no experience or something that had full conciousness + could fully comprehend concepts like death/dying,+ mental + physical torture, unbelievable experiences of mental/physical pain + all the people that its KNOWN experience pain because of the suffering of the individual themselves.

I expect you probably remember the first problem you have when identifying the moment of life beginning, conciousness, awareness of existence + all the perception that entails.. its the usual little scientific cracker DEFINING LIFE. Should we go for the biological definition of life - all living organisms are life, bacteria perceive their environment and receive stimulus - your immune system is KILLING 100 of thousands of INNOCENT LIVING FEELING micro organisms EVERY DAY of your EXISTENCE,- BURNING THEM to death in MACROPHAGE enzymes.firing antibodies rockets at them to to MURDERER them slowly by suffocation!!! should you let the NEON FLASHING RED + GREEN >>> HOLOCAUST go on?
- but to what extent the same suffering as a foetus at the legal time of abortion?+ i'm sure you'll have done the relevant research before reacting emotionally..... be honest you haven't thought about your immune system. Or instead of a biological meaning of life a completely specific one for the exact time of abortion.

The current recommended foetal development?Perhaps if we try going in the opposite direction we could set a point that were there WAS NO CHANCE a a INNOCENT

The moment of fertilization? could be life but definitely leads to life. If you prevented it though eg contraception its still preventing a life no difference than abortion does to the point when we agree on what qualifiers as life + when it starts.So couple's that use contraception could be considered as KILLING INNOCENT lives. Even without contraception, she might have a 'head ache'+ that might have been the chance for fertilization, embryo etc + shes taken the life of her own kid in your way of reasoning?

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

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#229983 May 7, 2013
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>You got the wrong point,but I am not surprised. Idiot!
The point you made quite clearly is that you cannot find a post in which I say "all men are horrible" or a post in which I lied. Because they don't exist.

As I said, thank you for making my point.

Anything you post that doesn't back up your contentions about make makes my point.

My point? That you are lying about the existence of those posts. Until you post links to them, you are a liar.

Got it? Good.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229984 May 7, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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You must be really dumb. If you think that any of what you posted "bothers" me, you're not very bright. I was making fun of you and your ridiculousness. It makes sense that you wouldn't have the mental capacity to understand the difference.
You’re just sounding like all of the other anti-lifers on here. Because of the fact that all of your arguments have been soundly destroyed/discredited, you simply dismiss the argument, and/or engage in profane/obscene/outraged discourse in a futile attempt to intimidate the pro-lifers.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

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#229986 May 7, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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You’re just sounding like all of the other anti-lifers on here. Because of the fact that all of your arguments have been soundly destroyed/discredited, you simply dismiss the argument, and/or engage in profane/obscene/outraged discourse in a futile attempt to intimidate the pro-lifers.
No one's argument has been destroyed/discredited except the people who use "god" as the basis of their argument.

No woman should ever be forced to remain pregnant and give birth against her will.

That is the crux of our argument. And it has not been destroyed or discredited.

Why? Because a woman has more worth than simply the contents o her uterus. Because it's RIGHT. Because she's a human being, not a brood mare. Because birth control fails. Because it's LAW. A woman has autonomy over her body. And if a state such as South Dakota makes abortion illegal, then they simply travel to North Dakota or to Minnesota, or to Iowa.

No woman will EVER be forced to remain pregnant again in the USA. Ever.

You, who find a fetus more valuable than than the sentient human being carrying it, are anti-lifers. You are fetus-worshippers. You care about that fetus, UNTIL it's born. Then you turn your attention to anther woman's uterus, totally disregarding what may be right for her, and focus ONLY on the fetus. You don't think about how it's going to be raised, or will it be loved, fed, and nurtured. Only that it's BORN. Once it's born, you lose interest.

You are the most anti-life group on this planet.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#229987 May 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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No one's argument has been destroyed/discredited except the people who use "god" as the basis of their argument.
No woman should ever be forced to remain pregnant and give birth against her will.
That is the crux of our argument. And it has not been destroyed or discredited.
Why? Because a woman has more worth than simply the contents o her uterus. Because it's RIGHT. Because she's a human being, not a brood mare. Because birth control fails. Because it's LAW. A woman has autonomy over her body. And if a state such as South Dakota makes abortion illegal, then they simply travel to North Dakota or to Minnesota, or to Iowa.
No woman will EVER be forced to remain pregnant again in the USA. Ever.
You, who find a fetus more valuable than than the sentient human being carrying it, are anti-lifers. You are fetus-worshippers. You care about that fetus, UNTIL it's born. Then you turn your attention to anther woman's uterus, totally disregarding what may be right for her, and focus ONLY on the fetus. You don't think about how it's going to be raised, or will it be loved, fed, and nurtured. Only that it's BORN. Once it's born, you lose interest.
You are the most anti-life group on this planet.
Exactly.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#229988 May 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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Thank you for proving my point.
Point and match. You got her. She has not yet once provided any evidence of anything. Just a yapper with nothing to say.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#229989 May 7, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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You’re just sounding like all of the other anti-lifers on here. Because of the fact that all of your arguments have been soundly destroyed/discredited, you simply dismiss the argument, and/or engage in profane/obscene/outraged discourse in a futile attempt to intimidate the pro-lifers.
Mmmm...no, none of my arguments have been destroyed or discredited. Not one. I'm not dismissing the argument - in fact - there is no argument. Abortion is a right. I'm also not seeking to intimidate you. The only people who need to intimidate are those who are threatened themselves. I'm not worried about the legality of abortion. I'm thankful that it remains a legal and safe option for women in this country.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#229990 May 7, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Mmmm...no, none of my arguments have been destroyed or discredited. Not one. I'm not dismissing the argument - in fact - there is no argument. Abortion is a right. I'm also not seeking to intimidate you. The only people who need to intimidate are those who are threatened themselves. I'm not worried about the legality of abortion. I'm thankful that it remains a legal and safe option for women in this country.
Many of the "pro-lifers" attempt to intimidate with comments like "god'll get you" or similar religious references.
phleb 1

United States

#229991 May 7, 2013
Many pro-lifers attempt to intimidate? Lmao! Keep telling yourself that mamsan. Your filthy conscience is getting the best of you.
Village

Mason, OH

#229992 May 7, 2013
It is never right to kill an unborn baby. It's not the babies fault. If god allows a women to become pregnant then how is it the women's choice to kill it. It's not.

Since: Feb 08

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#229993 May 7, 2013
Village wrote:
It is never right to kill an unborn baby. It's not the babies fault. If god allows a women to become pregnant then how is it the women's choice to kill it. It's not.
We're discussing early term abortions for the most part. Wads of goo are removed, not babies.
Besides, if you're too stupid and uneducated to know that, or to know that the possessive of baby is baby's, then you're far too ignorant to be telling ANYONE what medical decisions they should make.
Not YOUR uterus? Not your pregnancy? NONE of your business. Don't like it? Too bad, so sad for you.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#229994 May 7, 2013
Village wrote:
It is never right to kill an unborn baby. It's not the babies fault. If god allows a women to become pregnant then how is it the women's choice to kill it. It's not.
I guess god allows women to be raped, too?

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