There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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Since: Jul 09

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#230222 May 11, 2013
Kullid wrote:
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the common sense of a moral person...or is that not authoritative enough for you
Who are you to determine who is and is not moral? Especially when you don't know the person and the circumstances of their life? Their capabilities?

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#230223 May 11, 2013
remember I said something about childbearing being a glass ceiling.
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looks like it definitely hit Princess Kate
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one would have thought the press and others would have dropped her last name from her when she married Prince William. they did not do so.
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they kept calling her Kate Middleton.
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until recently when she was shown to be gravid. now, the press is calling her PRINCESS Kate. as though she has earned the right to be called that just because she is carrying the next in line to the throne. even though she had became Princess Kate when she married her husband.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#230224 May 11, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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It's a fact. You and your buddies don't like FACTS.
You are showing that you don't care about children AFTER they are born. Your posts continue to only address gestation, not life AFTER the fact.
Babies need love and nurturing, care, warmth, food, shelter, etc... AFTER they are born.
You have yet to address that.
Your post is stupid, and contradictory.

It is not a matter of “caring” about somebody when you are protecting the right to kill them. And if you simply hide behind the law, it means that you have no real argument except that it is what the law says. When the law changes and your argument is that it is the law, then we will agree with each other.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#230225 May 11, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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What part of "PREEMIES ALWAYS DIED BACK THEN" did you not understand?
The fetus is expelled, it dies. Period. TRY to grasp this simple concept. Even today, if that were to happen away from a hospital equipped with a neonatal ICU, the chances are VERY high that the fetus will end up in the trash with the rest of that day's medical waste.
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No, it is only unclear to you, and for the simple reason that you refuse to accept the FACT that the Bible does not confirm to your wishes. The woman lost her fruit, the fetus was aborted. At that point, the only question is whether or not the woman herself was harmed in the process.
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Again, read it for what it actually says, and not just to try and see what you want to see. The fetus died, and it was NOT considered an accident, as is obvious from the fact that if the WOMAN is harmed, then it is an eye for an eye, life for a life, etc.
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A day, a week, a decade of research will not chance the facts. The Bible says what it says. You can either accept this fact, or you can reject the Bible. Those are your options.
If the premature child died every time, that would simply mean that the killer of the child would also die every time. That’s easy to understand. But I’m still not convinced that it was even considered a deliberate attack on the child. If that is the case, then there would be no penalty for the child’s death, but only for the deliberate attack on the woman. After all, the attacker may not have even known that the woman was pregnant.

The Bible says what it says, but it also often seems to say what people want it to say.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#230226 May 11, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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Apparently, you don't understand the meaning of "objective" if you think that morality can be objective...
Morality is not simply a subjective, or selfish opinion when you also must consider the moral rights of others. Considering the rights of others is an objective consideration which is in the interest of all, rather than being based on your own self-interest.

If somebody kills you and they believe that it was a moral thing to do, does that mean that it was? Of course not, because it was a subjective, or selfish moral opinion of one person, as opposed to an objective moral opinion based on the interest of all/others.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#230227 May 11, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Changing society to reflect the view that women are no longer chattel, had already been accomplished, long before you discovered that a negative attitude toward abortion, would garner you warm fuzzies from strangers, on an internet forum.
You're a few decades too late, dear.
Advocating for the life of children is not what I consider to be extraordinary. But what I do think is extraordinary is that you and others are continuing to advocate for the right to kill children.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#230228 May 11, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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Advocating for the life of children is not what I consider to be extraordinary. But what I do think is extraordinary is that you and others are continuing to advocate for the right to kill children.
Killing children is already illegal.

Because children are born.

“Happy & Content”

Since: May 13

Savannah, GA

#230229 May 11, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> I wouldn't sweat it, your post above is a very sound one and presents some very sensible and viable options.
Peace.
Thank you, I'm just telling it like I see it :)
LightForce

Warren, MI

#230230 May 11, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Killing children is already illegal.
Because children are born.
If you admit that children include those that are preborn too, then you would have to allow them the right to live also. You know it, you're just afraid to admit it.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#230231 May 11, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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If you admit that children include those that are preborn too, then you would have to allow them the right to live also. You know it, you're just afraid to admit it.
I don't admit to melodramatic hyperbole, dear.

Children are born.
That's why it's illegal to kill them.
Fetuses are potential children.
That's why they do not have civil rights.

Women are no more obliged to give up our right to bodily autonomy when we are pregnant, than men ever are - even though men can't get pregnant.

You fear that women will refuse en masse to be walking wombs, so you advocate legally obliging us to do as you would not, were the roles reversed.

And you know it.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#230232 May 11, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I don't admit to melodramatic hyperbole, dear.
Children are born.
That's why it's illegal to kill them.
Fetuses are potential children.
That's why they do not have civil rights.
Women are no more obliged to give up our right to bodily autonomy when we are pregnant, than men ever are - even though men can't get pregnant.
You fear that women will refuse en masse to be walking wombs, so you advocate legally obliging us to do as you would not, were the roles reversed.
And you know it.
I’m sorry, I thought that you actually meant what you said when you were talking about the importance of freedom and justice.

You are just another one that hides behind the law when you have no logical argument, as long as it suits your opinion/agenda.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#230233 May 11, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Killing children is already illegal.
Because children are born.
reason these pro-lifers want all children to be born. including those who endanger the lives of their moms.
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is because they want that pregnancy "glass ceiling" to remain in place. as a way of judging women if they are adults or are they still kids.
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and if a woman dies during pregnancy. oh well, looks like she was not meant to be a mom ITHO

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#230234 May 11, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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I’m sorry, I thought that you actually meant what you said when you were talking about the importance of freedom and justice.
You are just another one that hides behind the law when you have no logical argument, as long as it suits your opinion/agenda.
Freedom from unwanted pregnancy, and the justice of retaining our right to bodily autonomy regardless of gender, seem to bother you, when recognized and exercised by members of mine.

Am I supposed to be chastened by your disappointment that I don't subscribe to a morality against my own best interest?

I'm not in the least chastened...and I'm also not a bit sorry.

:)

Since: Feb 08

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#230235 May 11, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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Advocating for the life of children is not what I consider to be extraordinary. But what I do think is extraordinary is that you and others are continuing to advocate for the right to kill children.
I've never seen you advocate for children, only for goo.
Why do you want control over all women?
What makes you think you have that right?
Not your body, none of your business.
TShos

United States

#230236 May 11, 2013
reagal wrote:
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You love to murder. I have no compassion for a monster like you. You are no different than the Newtown and Boston murderer. I bet you are an atheist.
All atheists should be visited and investigated by the FBI. It would be a great start in ending future crimes.
TShos

United States

#230237 May 11, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Killing children is already illegal.
Because children are born.
Abortion is murder. I'm sure you agree with that.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#230238 May 11, 2013
Decent92 wrote:
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Thank you, I'm just telling it like I see it :)
(C:
TShos

United States

#230239 May 11, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>I've never seen you advocate for children, only for goo.
Why do you want control over all women?
What makes you think you have that right?
Not your body, none of your business.
Why do you like to murder helpless people, you hateful inconsiderate bastard?

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

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#230240 May 11, 2013
Reagal Wrote:

Wow, that is a strong statement. it may have a lot of truth in it, but I cringe at the sound of it, thank you for your boldness.

Peace.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#230241 May 11, 2013
TShos wrote:
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All atheists should be visited and investigated by the FBI. It would be a great start in ending future crimes.
you forget that not only are folks protected from religion. as well as they are allowed to be a part of religion.
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in the case of atheists, they have the right under the Constitution NOT to be a part of organized religion.
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as for crimes, many have been committed by those who believed in a religion.

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