There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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<quoted text>Wads of goo are not children. They don't live on their own, they don't think, feel or have rights. They are WADS OF GOO. NOT children.
Do you have it set on automatic response? My clue is that most of you on here just respond without thinking first, and don’t even know what you’re really responding to/about most of the time. As a result, besides giving totally irrelevant and false answers, you end up even arguing between yourselves.

Your “wad of goo” hypothesis is not only oversimplifying the matter, but could only be relevant in the first few weeks after conception. Most abortions are committed long after that point. The rest of your comment has no real substance to it. They’re either false, or irrelevant statements like I have already pointed out.

As an example, why would the inability to live on your own deny you to right to life at all? To you does this seem like a logical solution to the problem? Can you really be that cold-hearted?

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Do you have it set on automatic response?
You mean like you have "All life is sacred" on automatic response?

Tell it to that ant you just stepped on, hypocrite.
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Incorrect. Every person has a right to live. Until they actually ARE a person, it is ludicrous to talk of them as if they were.
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The soul. Without a soul, there is no person.
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It is called "birth". The wad of goo stops being a fetus, and becomes a child.
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This is the point at which the soul joins with the body to transform a wad of goo into a human being.
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Quite the contrary, I love my kid quite a bit, and take great efforts to provide all the support and nurturing that I can.
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I have never advocated the killing of a child. I consider that to be the worst form of murder.
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No child was involved in the scenario. A woman got an abortion, and then left for a vacation. No big deal.
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Until we can locate the “soul”, there will never be a basis for its consideration in our personal rights. So your answer to #1 is debunked there. In the second question you are again basing your answer on the point at which the invisible soul enters the body, at which point it now becomes a child in your opinion. I’m not going to say crazy, but I will point out that it isn’t enough proof to condemn someone.

Logic – Is a 32-week-old pre-natal human being less of a child than a 24-week-old post-natal human being.

This bit of common sense of course nullifies the rest of your argument.

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Until we can locate the “soul”, there will never be a basis for its consideration in our personal rights. So your answer to #1 is debunked there. In the second question you are again basing your answer on the point at which the invisible soul enters the body, at which point it now becomes a child in your opinion. I’m not going to say crazy, but I will point out that it isn’t enough proof to condemn someone.
Logic – Is a 32-week-old pre-natal human being less of a child than a 24-week-old post-natal human being.
This bit of common sense of course nullifies the rest of your argument.
"Until we can locate the “soul”, there will never be a basis for its consideration in our personal rights."

Good point. Which is why religious beliefs should NEVER be a factor in any legislation in this country.
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"Until we can locate the “soul”, there will never be a basis for its consideration in our personal rights."
Good point. Which is why religious beliefs should NEVER be a factor in any legislation in this country.
It's curious that a lot of people oppose abortion based solely on their religious beliefs instead of making their own conclusions about abortion; religion can be quite an issue when discussing medicine.
But I think that a lot of people are getting mixed up about how much they use religion as a front for their beliefs -- I could care less if someone is of a specific group, but I would certainly care if that person is a fanatic who doesn't respect other peoples' liberties.

That being said, I do recall the Founding Fathers of the US building up a new nation based on French and English Enlightenment philosophy and a funny little document called the US Constitution instead of pledging eternal allegiance to the Bible.
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When a society gives consent to unlock the door to one evil act, another evil door always swings open:

Door #1: Abortion - Google this article:'Reuters promotes eugenics with 'abortion is safer than giving birth' headline'

Door #2: Sale of abort fetus parts - Google this article:'Fetal body parts used for reseach'( Written by iwishart on Wednesday, March 7, 2012 ), and fetal tissue request site - Agilent Technologies/Genomics.

Door #3: Consumption of fetus parts - Google these articles:'Pepsi, Nestle scandal – flavour ‘enhanced’ by aborted foetal cells'( Written by iwishart on Tuesday, March 6, 2012),'Pepsi and Dead Babies'(Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day…Published: 6.3.12 ),'Avoid Any Products Containing Aborted Fetal Cells'(Written by Dave Mihalovic, Prevent Disease, March 9, 2012),'China's New Lucrative Business: Dead Babies Turned Into Stamina Booster Pills'(Aug. 5, 2011), and 'Aborted Babies Sold as Health Food for $10'(by Hong Kong Eastern Express on April 12, 19950.

Door #4: Born alive but left to die - Google these articles:'491 babies born alive after failed abortions, left to die: Statistics Canada confirms'(by PATRICK B. CRAINE, Wed Nov 28, 2012),'Aborted Child Born Alive, Left to Die; Obama Was Okay With That'
(by AWR Hawkins | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 5/24/12), and 'Babies survive abortion, left to die',(by Sheila Liaugminas | 10 Dec 2012/Sheila Reports/MercatorNet)

Door #5: Killing Babies - Google this article -'Killing Babies no different from abortion,...'( by Stephen Adams, Medical Correspondent, Feb. 29, 2012), and 'When is Killing Your Baby Okay?'(Thursday, March 01, 2012/ Mars Hill)

Door #6, Door #7 ...to be continued.....

By promoting a women's right to abortions, abortion advocates are doing their part to help big business make their record profits and further foster the desensitization of society at large; just in time for the next door of evil to open. Take a good look at the bigger picture abortion activists, you have become willing pawns in their game.....Your freedom can only come through Jesus now - John (chapters 1-20), Acts 2:38-39.

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Ella wrote:
When a society gives consent to unlock the door to one evil act, another evil door always swings open:
Door #1: Abortion - Google this article:'Reuters promotes eugenics with 'abortion is safer than giving birth' headline'
Door #2: Sale of abort fetus parts - Google this article:'Fetal body parts used for reseach'( Written by iwishart on Wednesday, March 7, 2012 ), and fetal tissue request site - Agilent Technologies/Genomics.
Door #3: Consumption of fetus parts - Google these articles:'Pepsi, Nestle scandal – flavour ‘enhanced’ by aborted foetal cells'( Written by iwishart on Tuesday, March 6, 2012),'Pepsi and Dead Babies'(Bill Muehlenberg's commentary on issues of the day…Published: 6.3.12 ),'Avoid Any Products Containing Aborted Fetal Cells'(Written by Dave Mihalovic, Prevent Disease, March 9, 2012),'China's New Lucrative Business: Dead Babies Turned Into Stamina Booster Pills'(Aug. 5, 2011), and 'Aborted Babies Sold as Health Food for $10'(by Hong Kong Eastern Express on April 12, 19950.
Door #4: Born alive but left to die - Google these articles:'491 babies born alive after failed abortions, left to die: Statistics Canada confirms'(by PATRICK B. CRAINE, Wed Nov 28, 2012),'Aborted Child Born Alive, Left to Die; Obama Was Okay With That'
(by AWR Hawkins | Washington, DC | LifeNews.com | 5/24/12), and 'Babies survive abortion, left to die',(by Sheila Liaugminas | 10 Dec 2012/Sheila Reports/MercatorNet)
Door #5: Killing Babies - Google this article -'Killing Babies no different from abortion,...'( by Stephen Adams, Medical Correspondent, Feb. 29, 2012), and 'When is Killing Your Baby Okay?'(Thursday, March 01, 2012/ Mars Hill)
Door #6, Door #7 ...to be continued.....
By promoting a women's right to abortions, abortion advocates are doing their part to help big business make their record profits and further foster the desensitization of society at large; just in time for the next door of evil to open. Take a good look at the bigger picture abortion activists, you have become willing pawns in their game.....Your freedom can only come through Jesus now - John (chapters 1-20), Acts 2:38-39.
By donating money to a church, YOU are allowing churches to operate at a profit and denying many people much needed tax cuts.

And, if you EVER hear of anyone "killing babies" please notify the authorities immediately. It is against the law and perpetrators must be stopped.

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The Advocate wrote:
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It's curious that a lot of people oppose abortion based solely on their religious beliefs instead of making their own conclusions about abortion; religion can be quite an issue when discussing medicine.
But I think that a lot of people are getting mixed up about how much they use religion as a front for their beliefs -- I could care less if someone is of a specific group, but I would certainly care if that person is a fanatic who doesn't respect other peoples' liberties.
That being said, I do recall the Founding Fathers of the US building up a new nation based on French and English Enlightenment philosophy and a funny little document called the US Constitution instead of pledging eternal allegiance to the Bible.
Ah, you're after my own heart here. I definitely agree!
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Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>You mean like you have "All life is sacred" on automatic response?
Tell it to that ant you just stepped on, hypocrite.
If you feel that strongly about ant rights, what are you out there doing about it?

http://insectrights.org/howtohelp.html

I myself have no respect for ant murderers and will say so, but I also have to live with the fact every day that I may have killed a few accidentally myself.
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Mpnf1979 wrote:
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"Until we can locate the “soul”, there will never be a basis for its consideration in our personal rights."
Good point. Which is why religious beliefs should NEVER be a factor in any legislation in this country.
I somewhat agree, but being religious in origin should not be the basis for discounting a fact either. It’s very hard to tell the difference between religion and politics if at all, and just like in some aspects of religion, people in political parties will just mimic the viewpoints of their side because they “believe” it to be true, rather than ever showing it to be true. I’m not saying that an opinion/belief alone can’t sometimes be right, but too often a personal agenda will take precedence over a truth that is based on facts or reason. Using a viewpoint, whether from religion or politics is never wrong just because you may believe that the source is wrong, but neither should that view be used based solely on partisan beliefs/agendas alone, with no sound foundation or reason to back it up.
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Sangelia wrote:
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many places like the one she refers to. not only do they have dirty floors. but also dirty instruments, walls, etc.....
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many of the backstreet abortionists do NOT even wash their hands between abortions...
I'm shocked! You would think that at least they would show some common courtesy and wash their hands between murders.

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I somewhat agree, but being religious in origin should not be the basis for discounting a fact either. It’s very hard to tell the difference between religion and politics if at all, and just like in some aspects of religion, people in political parties will just mimic the viewpoints of their side because they “believe” it to be true, rather than ever showing it to be true. I’m not saying that an opinion/belief alone can’t sometimes be right, but too often a personal agenda will take precedence over a truth that is based on facts or reason. Using a viewpoint, whether from religion or politics is never wrong just because you may believe that the source is wrong, but neither should that view be used based solely on partisan beliefs/agendas alone, with no sound foundation or reason to back it up.
Yes, it should. Religion has no place in politics. At all.

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I'm shocked! You would think that at least they would show some common courtesy and wash their hands between murders.
they want to make as much of a profit as possible. and water costs money......

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If you feel that strongly about ant rights, what are you out there doing about it?
http://insectrights.org/howtohelp.html
I myself have no respect for ant murderers and will say so, but I also have to live with the fact every day that I may have killed a few accidentally myself.
Not being a 'pro-life' hypocrite, I happily crush ants daily.

Spraying them with vegetable oil works too... but it's slower, and not as physically satisfying.

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Yes, it should. Religion has no place in politics. At all.
So you would discard a truth because of its origin? We shouldn’t hear from all sides, and then make a decision based on all of the facts?

I forgot, you’re that one that believes morality is subjective.

If morality is subjective why would we need any laws in the first place? We can all just make our own laws. That means you disagree even with the premise of your own argument here because nobody has any right to tell you what to do anyways, whether religious or political in origin.

Regardless of what anybody else thinks, it’s only “your truth” that matters – right? I wonder if it matters to you if somebody else gets hurt because of your subjective morality. Of course even that wouldn’t be anybody else’s business, would it?

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So you would discard a truth because of its origin? We shouldn’t hear from all sides, and then make a decision based on all of the facts?
I forgot, you’re that one that believes morality is subjective.
If morality is subjective why would we need any laws in the first place? We can all just make our own laws. That means you disagree even with the premise of your own argument here because nobody has any right to tell you what to do anyways, whether religious or political in origin.
Regardless of what anybody else thinks, it’s only “your truth” that matters – right? I wonder if it matters to you if somebody else gets hurt because of your subjective morality. Of course even that wouldn’t be anybody else’s business, would it?
Religion isn't truth. Morality IS subjective. Anyone who has studies cultures from all over the world would know this. Our society and culture dictates what is right and wrong. We adhere to societal norms. Again, religion has nothing to do with those norms.
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they want to make as much of a profit as possible. and water costs money......
I guess even murderers have to cut corners nowadays. It's tough for everyone.

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So you would discard a truth because of its origin? We shouldn’t hear from all sides, and then make a decision based on all of the facts?
What facts? The Bible is completely subjective, as it's comprised solely of opinions...the opinions of goatherds, dead two thousand years, to be exact.

Your side only believes what it wants to. Just like everyone else.

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If there wasn't so much sexual depravity in this world there wouldn't be any need for abortion. If women weren't having premarital sex, and committing adultery they wouldn't be getting pregnant. Also if men did not rape and commit incest there wouldn't be a problem either. God is pro choice but she doesn't like abortion. In a perfect world, there won't be any more abortion.
Your post is a complete pile of trash and only shows you know NOTHING about the subject of worth.
Ignorant troll.

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Religion isn't truth. Morality IS subjective. Anyone who has studies cultures from all over the world would know this. Our society and culture dictates what is right and wrong. We adhere to societal norms. Again, religion has nothing to do with those norms.
Also, if we were to start making political decisions based on religion and what that religion holds true, wouldn't we also have to have only ONE religion in Congress in order to not discriminate against any one religion's beliefs? We as a country couldn't go solely by the Christian faith. Our current numbers in Congress based on religious affiliation include Buddhists and Muslims and Hindus.... Our Congress already has a hard enough time making decisions not based on religion.....

Religion
• Statistics gathered by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, report that 98 percent of the Members of the 113th Congress cite a specific religious affiliation, with the vast majority being Christian.

Other findings by Pew:

• 56% of the members (247 in the House, 52 in the Senate) are Protestant, with Baptist as the most represented denomination.

• 31% of the members (136 in the House, 27 in the Senate) are Catholic.

• 6.2% of the members (22 in the House, 11 in the Senate) are Jewish.

• 2.8% of the members (8 in the House, 7 in the Senate) are Mormon (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints).

• 3 Members (2 in the House, 1 in the Senate) are Buddhist, 2 House members are Muslim, and 1 House Member is Hindu.

• Other religious affiliations represented include Greek Orthodox, Quaker, Unitarian Universalist, Christian Science Unitarian Universalist, and Christian Science.

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