There is Everything Wrong with Abortion
quickdraw

Melrose Park, IL

#229581 Apr 22, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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That's under the ASSumption that the government funds all abortive procedures; however, this is not the case for private hospitals, and that is ludicrously believing that there is a high rate of abortions performed in the US when non profit and state clinics have published information on how abortions performed consitute a low percentage among visitor s to womens' clinics (check Planned Parenthoo on this).
Ludicrously believing that there is a high rate of abortions performed in the U.S.? Hey mexico misfit, you wouldn't know your own head from your own ass. Try 50 million abortions been performed since roe vs wade. That's 50 million murders sfb's.
The Advocate wrote:
<quoted text> Or I could just make this easy on you and remind you that under US law it is prohibited to allocate funds for an abortion to such eares.
Easily remind me of what? Probhibited? What part of " money taken out of tax payers to fund abortion" don't you understand? Oh wait, your one of those illegals alien living on taxpayers dollars. That's right.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#229582 Apr 22, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>She's not advocating any such thing. All she said was, she'd have gestated if her rape had resulted in pregnancy.
That's her right - don't you think so?
Addendum:

NWMoon also stated that in her opinion, a fetus conceived through rape is not inherently less valuable than a fetus conceived through consensual sex.

Frankly, I find those who claim to be 'pro-life', and opposed to abortion, yet say that abortion is ok in the case of rape, to be hypocritical too. Why? Because any human fetus is just as human as any other human fetus, regardless of the circumstances of conception.

And I STILL say, if the woman wants to end the pregnancy because of rape, that it should be HER choice, and not mine....that's what it means to be pro-choice.

Since: Feb 08

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#229583 Apr 22, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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What a casual attitude you have towards conception via rape. As long as a woman gets pregnant, I guess you don't care at ALL whether it was through a loving, stable relationship or a violent, traumatising encounter.
That's sick, man!
No, I don't. I was raped, and spent a very nervous few weeks wondering if it would result in a pregnancy. I made up my mind during those weeks that if I were, I would attempt to bring it to term and keep the child if I were successful in that.
I think it's best when a conception is in a loving stable relationship, but regardless of HOW a conception happens, the foetus has just the same value to me. What ANY woman does about an unexpected pregnancy is up to HER, and nobody else.
Perhaps you didn't understand what I was getting at. The anti choice fool was saying that abortion should ONLY be allowed if the circumstances were rape or incest. If a foetus has any value at all, it is equal value, regardless of the conception. That value is up to the woman to decide, and nobody else. It is HER pregnancy, and HER decision alone.
I would have tried to have mine, if another does not, I don't blame her at all. I know I'm in the minority in that, most women I've known who have been raped have said they would have terminated the pregnancy, only one other has told me they would have attempted to carry to term.
Regardless, it's OUR choice, whether the pregnancy is from rape, incest, failure of birth control, or just not using it.

Since: Feb 08

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#229584 Apr 22, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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What a casual attitude you have towards conception via rape. As long as a woman gets pregnant, I guess you don't care at ALL whether it was through a loving, stable relationship or a violent, traumatising encounter.
That's sick, man!
Oh, and it's woman, not man. Men have no say in whether or not we want to keep or terminate a pregnancy. They can support our decisions or the can eff off.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#229585 Apr 22, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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She has the right to do so if that's what SHE wants to -- but she shouldn't force that view on other women.
What kind of education does one have if one thinks conception by rape is always correct simply because it results in a baby?
She's pro-choice, Advocate. She doesn't believe other women should be legally obligated to make the choice she would make.

All she said was, IN HER OPINION, her children are valuable TO HER regardless of how they were conceived.

Where has she said otherwise?

(Really not trying to be a bitch here, I just think you have an erroneous impression of NWM.)

Since: Feb 08

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#229586 Apr 22, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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She has the right to do so if that's what SHE wants to -- but she shouldn't force that view on other women.
What kind of education does one have if one thinks conception by rape is always correct simply because it results in a baby?
I NEVER said that. Go back and re-read my post, I said if it's not your body it's not your business. I'm PRO CHOICE.
Pay attention. You've grossly misunderstood my post.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#229587 Apr 22, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>I NEVER said that. Go back and re-read my post, I said if it's not your body it's not your business. I'm PRO CHOICE.
Pay attention. You've grossly misunderstood my post.
Sorry for the misunderstanding -- pardon if I've come across as an enormous ass.

Thanks for the clarification, but I'd hate it if these "pro lifers" were to suddenly use you as an example of pregnancy resulting from rape and your decision to become a mother.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#229588 Apr 22, 2013
quickdraw wrote:
<quoted text>Ludicrously believing that there is a high rate of abortions performed in the U.S.? Hey mexico misfit, you wouldn't know your own head from your own ass. Try 50 million abortions been performed since roe vs wade. That's 50 million murders sfb's.
<quoted text>Easily remind me of what? Probhibited? What part of " money taken out of tax payers to fund abortion" don't you understand? Oh wait, your one of those illegals alien living on taxpayers dollars. That's right.
What does my nationality have to do with views on abortion? Please keep your thoughts on immigration elsewhere (and no, I'm not an immigrant, I live in Mexico City).

Do you have any link to show the 50+ abortions since Roe vs Wade? Please link if you make a claim, especially running through statistics.

You also ignore the laws that restrict funding towards women's health clinics:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/486...

You could just as easily be upset over the termination of forzen IVF embryos or the rather sad rates of malnutrition, poverty and violence among children born out of such circumstances of unwanted pregnancies, but it seems you just prefer to cherry pick over where your taxes go instead of looking at all the issues involved.

I would gladly help pay taxes to support abortions if it meant a way to decrease the number of children that grow up poor, disillusioned, unwanted, unloved, and hardened after years of abuse simply for being born.

“Calling Out The Hermits”

Since: Apr 13

At Ricky Dicky land

#229589 Apr 22, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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What does my nationality have to do with views on abortion? Please keep your thoughts on immigration elsewhere (and no, I'm not an immigrant, I live in Mexico City).
Do you have any link to show the 50+ abortions since Roe vs Wade? Please link if you make a claim, especially running through statistics.
You also ignore the laws that restrict funding towards women's health clinics:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0211/486...
You could just as easily be upset over the termination of forzen IVF embryos or the rather sad rates of malnutrition, poverty and violence among children born out of such circumstances of unwanted pregnancies, but it seems you just prefer to cherry pick over where your taxes go instead of looking at all the issues involved.
I would gladly help pay taxes to support abortions if it meant a way to decrease the number of children that grow up poor, disillusioned, unwanted, unloved, and hardened after years of abuse simply for being born.
No, you gladly condone murder.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/54-million-a...

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

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#229590 Apr 22, 2013
quickdraw wrote:
mamma-san wrote:
<quote>Once again, a fetus HAS no rights. As much as you might want to make that a fact, it's not.
What a woman does with her body is HER business and HERS alone, as much as you might like to make it yours.
Unless you plan to adopt every single fetus that is aborted, and make it's life a part of yours until one of you dies, it's NONE of your business.
I see ignoranance is still at it again.
Funny mamma-san, since the taxpayers are having to contritbute by force from the government on funding such bullshit as abortion, you bet your fat ass it's our business. You really are a SICK piece of work.
I have to pay good tax money for alcohol rehab and drug rehab, yet I don't drink and don't use illegal drugs.

I have to pay taxes for foster care for children who's mothers have abandoned them.

My taxes help pay welfare for the children of deadbeat dads.

Welcome to the USA.

Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

“Calling Out The Hermits”

Since: Apr 13

At Ricky Dicky land

#229591 Apr 22, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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I have to pay good tax money for alcohol rehab and drug rehab, yet I don't drink and don't use illegal drugs.
I have to pay taxes for foster care for children who's mothers have abandoned them.
My taxes help pay welfare for the children of deadbeat dads.
Welcome to the USA.
Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Oh cry me a river, there is no comparison when it comes to paying for murder. Wipe your damn conscience you hypocrite.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#229592 Apr 22, 2013
QuickDraw 1 wrote:
<quoted text> No, you gladly condone murder.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/54-million-a...
Thank you for posting the link. However, it's odd that you don't seem to ask yourself WHY those women opted to have abortions. It couldn't have been easy for any of them, but it's going a bit far to assume that terminating a potential life (as opposed to an already born child) constitutes as murder.

I do recall a chapter of Freakonomics drawing the link between lower crime rates with higher abortion rates in NYC during Giuliani's first mayoral term -- all the unwanted and unloved children that could've been born to grow up into criminals weren't born. I would gladly spend my tax money like that if it meant a safer, improved lifestyle for everyone.

“Calling Out The Hermits”

Since: Apr 13

At Ricky Dicky land

#229593 Apr 22, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Your ass is blocking it, lol. Oh, I'll be around from time to time just to remind you of the sick, ill minded, murdering hypocrite you are mamma-san.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#229594 Apr 22, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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I have to pay good tax money for alcohol rehab and drug rehab, yet I don't drink and don't use illegal drugs.
I have to pay taxes for foster care for children who's mothers have abandoned them.
My taxes help pay welfare for the children of deadbeat dads.
Welcome to the USA.
Don't like it? Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
Damn, that was touching.

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Ella

Rockford, MI

#229595 Apr 22, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Ella, I commend you for your diligence in combing through the thread to find examples of my posts...but I challenge you to find anything in any of them which contradicts any of the others.
A fetus in utero is not a born child.
Abortion (in my opinion) should be a last resort (and in my own case, it was.)
I stand by my assertion that born children have rights, that accrue to them AT BIRTH.
And the world is full of dangers, and yes, I chose to bear children anyway...but I did not abandon, abuse, exploit, ignore, molest, or neglect, my children, and I still don't. I do, however, love them. The evils of this world prohibit me from insisting that OTHER women be legally obliged to bear children....whether or not they decide to do it, is STILL not my call. Or yours. Women should have the choice to abort a pregnancy, regardless of the circumstances under which they got pregnant.
Nowhere in any of that, have I made contradictory statements, or professed an opinion upon which I was not prepared to act accordingly.
(That would be hypocrisy, by the way.)
But again - nice try.


Like I said you suffer from selective amnesia; maybe you will catch on in a week.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#229596 Apr 22, 2013
Ella wrote:
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Like I said you suffer from selective amnesia; maybe you will catch on in a week.
Amnesia would hardly be an excuse to forget the words you so kindly put right in front of my face, dear. You can make the claim that you disagree with me about the level of hypocrisy inherent in my posts....but that's about it.

Thanks for playing.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

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#229597 Apr 22, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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Sorry for the misunderstanding -- pardon if I've come across as an enormous ass.
Thanks for the clarification, but I'd hate it if these "pro lifers" were to suddenly use you as an example of pregnancy resulting from rape and your decision to become a mother.
Misunderstanding someone, does not necessarily indicate that one is an enormous ass - but you're a good egg for apologizing anyway.
JMO
:)
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229598 Apr 22, 2013
Liam R wrote:
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But we are not talking about a medical procedure that transcends any other human being's right. We are talking about abortion. Only one human being involved.
And if the only reason is so that the woman can go on a scheduled vacation without being pregnant at the time, well, that is HER choice to make, not yours. You do not get a vote on the matter, it is strictly between her and her doctor.
And as far as the size of the fetus in the movie, as has been stated REPEATEDLY, it is being compared to the doctor's finger.
You are equating the right that an individual has to live, with the stage of their development. What is your reason for this? In fact you are even stating that there is a specific point in that development where they morph into what is a child. When is this point? This attitude just seems like it is a convenient analysis for a parent who wants to dis their child. You then conclude this by legitimizing the killing of the child before leaving for a nice, quiet vacation. To you, does this sound like something that a responsible, trustworthy adult might do? This scenario is very convenient for the parent, but it completely ignores the rights of the child. You would have to have some logical, reasonable answers for the first two questions here in order to validate a “yes” answer to the last. I repeat – LOGICAL and REASONABLE answers.

You and the rest on here have repeated this false statement regarding the facts of the video over and over again. This is the epitome of “if you repeat a lie often enough, it will become the truth”. Where in the ultrasound image do you ever see anybody’s finger? That’s right – never. If we are ever to believe anything that you say, you should at least not let your partisan ego get in the way of the truth.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229599 Apr 22, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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Sorry for the misunderstanding -- pardon if I've come across as an enormous ass.
Thanks for the clarification, but I'd hate it if these "pro lifers" were to suddenly use you as an example of pregnancy resulting from rape and your decision to become a mother.
Nah, she doesn't set a good example for us either.

Since: Sep 07

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#229600 Apr 23, 2013
QuickDraw 1 wrote:
<quoted text> Your ass is blocking it, lol. Oh, I'll be around from time to time just to remind you of the sick, ill minded, murdering hypocrite you are mamma-san.
I agree,she is one of the biggest hypocrites on this thread.
She has said many times sometimes abortion is the most loving thing you can do. She is beyond sick. She is delusional.

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