LightForce

Warren, MI

#229423 Apr 18, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Abortion is not 'a choice to murder'. It is a legal medical procedure, available as treatment for unwanted pregnancy.
Your point has no validity, as long as you insist on conflating self-defense with murder. They are two different things. I think your fetus worship may be getting in the way of your common sense.
If you saw the video and the fetus, and you have access to a standard tape measure, you know damn good and well that fetus is not 1.5 inches long. At the very least, it's about 7 inches long. No 11 week human fetus, is 7 inches long.
Read a biology text, and get back to me.
If the so-called 'pro-life' crowd wants to make a point, its go-to strategy is ALWAYS exaggeration, hyperbole, and speculation, in place of simple facts, applied logic, and research.
Probably because the facts, logic, and research don't conform to your rose-colored-glasses view of human REALITY.
If you disagree with abortion....DON'T HAVE ONE.
Why is that so very hard for you fetus worshippers to understand??
Do you believe that your right to a medical procedure should transcend the right of another human being to live?

What does being legal have anything to do with your argument? Do you flip-flop every time the law changes?

I never said that self-defense is not justifiable. You continue to use this argument even when it involves only a small section of actual abortions. So we can probably drop this part of the discussion and focus on the real reasons for abortion, which are mainly as a means of birth control, and other various selfish reasons like being able to go on vacations, or not having to carry a stroller and baby at the same time. I didnít make these up, these are actual reasons given here.

Just what are you comparing the size of the fetus in the video to? Did you think that King Kong in the movie was really 40 feet tall? Iíve been waiting, and will probably continue waiting for a long time for anybody to show me any evidence.
Angel1976

Rockford, MI

#229424 Apr 18, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think Angel cares much about that sort of 'inconvenience' either....
Don't you think that not being able to have children is an inconvenience also? I sure do. I know a lot of women who want to have children and can't.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#229426 Apr 18, 2013
Life is Precious wrote:
Abortion stops a heartbeat and with so many alternatives should never happen. A baby has a right to be born and grow up to be somebody. Please if you are considering anabortion please reconsider and give your baby the gift of life.
thing is, there are some pregnancies that are dangerous to the mother.
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as in it could cost her, her life. it is better in those cases to abort. than to lose both lives thru the pregnancy.
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this way, the potential mother could possibly become pregnant with a child that she could carry to term. IF she is allowed to become pregnant again by her doctor.
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as long as the the previous pregnancy before that did NOT trigger something that the pregnancy being aborted started up again.
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see in some women, breast cancer is triggered by getting pregnant. and she risks the cancer coming out of remission if she becomes pregnant again. thing is, insurance will in many cases not pay for a sterilization of the mom. in order to prevent further pregnancies.
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also, the placement of the fetus can cause the death of the mom. as in a tubal pregnancy. or the placenta not being where it should be. or something is wrong with the placenta.
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http://www.babymed.com/placenta-creta-accreta... A placenta creta, accreta, increta, or percreta is a placenta that grows during pregnancy into or through the uterus. Having this condition is life-threatening and requires expert surgical and medical care.Normally in a pregnancy, the placenta attaches to the uterine wall and is separated from the uterus by the Nitabuch fibrinoid layer.
Sometimes though, the Nitabuch fibrinoid layer is thinned or missing, and the placenta will attach itself too deeply into the uterine wall, this is called a placenta creata.
The primary concern is that the mother hemorrhages during delivery and subsequent attempt to separate the placenta from the uterine wall. Hemorrhaging can be life threatening to the mother if it becomes severe.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#229427 Apr 18, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
<quoted text>
The hormones being a big issue...I remember my mother in law after her hysterectomy...if I wasn't scared of her before then I was certainly even more terrified after she left the operating room!
there is a website called Mother in Law stories at mother in law dot com
Angel1976

Rockford, MI

#229428 Apr 18, 2013
Sangelia wrote:
<quoted text>
thing is, there are some pregnancies that are dangerous to the mother.
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as in it could cost her, her life. it is better in those cases to abort. than to lose both lives thru the pregnancy.
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this way, the potential mother could possibly become pregnant with a child that she could carry to term. IF she is allowed to become pregnant again by her doctor.
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as long as the the previous pregnancy before that did NOT trigger something that the pregnancy being aborted started up again.
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see in some women, breast cancer is triggered by getting pregnant. and she risks the cancer coming out of remission if she becomes pregnant again. thing is, insurance will in many cases not pay for a sterilization of the mom. in order to prevent further pregnancies.
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also, the placement of the fetus can cause the death of the mom. as in a tubal pregnancy. or the placenta not being where it should be. or something is wrong with the placenta.
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http://www.babymed.com/placenta-creta-accreta... A placenta creta, accreta, increta, or percreta is a placenta that grows during pregnancy into or through the uterus. Having this condition is life-threatening and requires expert surgical and medical care.Normally in a pregnancy, the placenta attaches to the uterine wall and is separated from the uterus by the Nitabuch fibrinoid layer.
Sometimes though, the Nitabuch fibrinoid layer is thinned or missing, and the placenta will attach itself too deeply into the uterine wall, this is called a placenta creata.
The primary concern is that the mother hemorrhages during delivery and subsequent attempt to separate the placenta from the uterine wall. Hemorrhaging can be life threatening to the mother if it becomes severe.
I agree with Life is precious because it is and abortion does stop a beating heart for sure. I believe that it is wrong. Like I said in my previous posts babies do deserve a fighting chance rather they have a disability or not. They are in fact a living thing.
Expert in all Things

Cottonwood, CA

#229429 Apr 19, 2013
I think if I am paying for it...I'm just kidding, I never pay. It doesn't cost anything to fall down the stairs, does it? These damn women think I am made out of coat hangers.
Ocean56

AOL

#229430 Apr 19, 2013
Angel1976 wrote:
What sort of birth control do you use? Abortion? Well that just isn't right. Crossing you're legs is full proof and so is just saying NO. Another thing that is full proof would be having a hysterectomy.
I've never had to HAVE an abortion, since I was lucky that my form of BC has never failed me. However, other women have not been so lucky, and YOU don't decide what "isn't right" for anyone but yourself. Additionally, a hysterectomy is only done for a compelling medical reason, so your last statement is rather absurd.

Bottom line; NO woman has to punish herself with lifetime celibacy because she doesn't want any (or more) children. I'm DONE with the whole procreation thing, I'm certainly not done having sex. Don't like it? Too bad.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#229431 Apr 19, 2013
Angel1976 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with Life is precious because it is and abortion does stop a beating heart for sure. I believe that it is wrong. Like I said in my previous posts babies do deserve a fighting chance rather they have a disability or not. They are in fact a living thing.
They sure are and deserve a right to be born and be somebody terrific.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#229432 Apr 19, 2013
Angel1976 wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with Life is precious because it is and abortion does stop a beating heart for sure. I believe that it is wrong. Like I said in my previous posts babies do deserve a fighting chance rather they have a disability or not. They are in fact a living thing.
but doesn't the mom also deserve a chance to live too.
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if a baby is not aborted during a pregnancy that has turned into being fatal. you could lose BOTH the child and MOM. would you wish that upon a husband to lose his wife? when the abortion would SAVE his wife.
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there are at least two types of abortions. medical and vanity. the medical one is the one to save the woman's life. many abortion foes do agree that in those cases, it is permissable. since you save at least one life. instead of losing both.
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vanity abortions, I agree should not be done. since it is done as a form of birth control

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#229433 Apr 19, 2013
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you believe that your right to a medical procedure should transcend the right of another human being to live?
In the instance of abortion, YES.
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
What does being legal have anything to do with your argument?
"Murder" is a legal term. It means 'illegal killing'. Abortion is legal, therefore, it is not 'murder'. It is killing, which has been legalized. Just like the death penalty, killing in war, and killing for self defense.
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you flip-flop every time the law changes?
Should the law change to define abortion as illegal, I will still believe it is often necessary.
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
I never said that self-defense is not justifiable. You continue to use this argument even when it involves only a small section of actual abortions.
I frankly don't care how small the 'section' of abortions done to save lives is - if safe and medically regulated abortion is criminalized, women who need it to save our lives will lose access to it, just like every other woman in the country, and women will die for the sake of the 'convenience' and 'conscience' of fetus worshipers such as yourself. Pardon me if I don't find that palatable.
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
So we can probably drop this part of the discussion and focus on the real reasons for abortion, which are mainly as a means of birth control, and other various selfish reasons like being able to go on vacations, or not having to carry a stroller and baby at the same time. I didnít make these up, these are actual reasons given here.
Given where?
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
Just what are you comparing the size of the fetus in the video to?
To the actual size of a comparably developed fetus. Facts are cool - embrace them.
LightForce wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you think that King Kong in the movie was really 40 feet tall? Iíve been waiting, and will probably continue waiting for a long time for anybody to show me any evidence.
You don't want evidence. You want agreement. You want warm fuzzies. You want to involve yourself in an issue which will never personally affect you, and receive kudos from strangers for your 'stance'. You want women to die, so that you don't have to obsess about abortion anymore. You want to pat yourself on the back, and be able to tell yourself that no matter how much of a miserable bastard you may otherwise be, you've been redeemed by your attitude about abortion.

You won't be getting any of that from me.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#229434 Apr 19, 2013
Angel1976 wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you think that not being able to have children is an inconvenience also? I sure do. I know a lot of women who want to have children and can't.
I think not being able to have children is a circumstance. There are remedies for it, which are often expensive, and some women move heaven and earth to take advantage of them anyway. I assuredly DON'T think it is the responsibility of the fertile, to gestate for the infertile.
There are hundreds of thousands of born kids available for adoption. Find one, adopt him or her, and get on with your life.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#229436 Apr 19, 2013
Angel1976 wrote:
<quoted text>
I had to have a hysterectomy three years ago
So, because you "had" to have one, you believe EVERY woman should "have" to have one, if she doesn't presently want children? Here's a clue: hysterectomy is not an elective procedure.

Angel1976 wrote:
<quoted text>
and they took everything out and I have no health issues from that at all
You really are some kinda freakin' anomaly - or a pathological liar.

Angel1976 wrote:
<quoted text>
and I have never heard of any woman having issues because of it either.
If the surgeon who performed this major surgery on you, failed to educate you as to the possible, and probable, side effects of having had a total hysterectomy, that surgeon is guilty of malpractice, and you have grounds for a very lucrative lawsuit.

Below, is a link to a website which details just a few of the complications and side-effects which are documented in many women following the complete removal of their reproductive systems.

http://www.health.ny.gov/community/adults/wom...

I seriously doubt you've had this procedure performed on you.
I'm going with 'pathological liar'.

You're busted, babe.

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#229437 Apr 19, 2013
Busted.... that's funny!

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#229438 Apr 19, 2013
LupyLu wrote:
Busted.... that's funny!
What's 'funny' is a woman in America, who has undergone a total hysterectomy without benefit of information on what the procedure entails, or its risks, and has "never heard" of any other woman having had complications or side effects from it.

Funny as in 'strange and unbelievable'
Not funny ha-ha.

Funny ha-ha, is her belief that no one would call her on blatantly lying about it, or that the rest of us don't have access to actual information about total hysterectomy, and its desired and undesired results.

Now THAT's funny.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#229439 Apr 19, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
<quoted text>
The hormones being a big issue...I remember my mother in law after her hysterectomy...if I wasn't scared of her before then I was certainly even more terrified after she left the operating room!
Agreed. My mother has hers in her 40s. Wasn't a good time in our family as my mother entered early menopause.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#229440 Apr 19, 2013
Angel1976 wrote:
<quoted text>
I had to have a hysterectomy three years ago and they took everything out and I have no health issues from that at all and I have never heard of any woman having issues because of it either.
A. Once again, I don't believe you.

B. So you had a hysterectomy and didn't experience menopause which is EVERY female body's reaction to no longer having estrogen? Hmm...further illustrates why nothing you say is very believable.

C. As you say, you "had" to have a hysterectomy. That's why they're performed because women HAVE to have them. If you think they're a response to not wanting to get pregnant, you apparently have a lot to learn in this life.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#229441 Apr 19, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think Angel cares much about that sort of 'inconvenience' either....
I'm not buying anything this girl says from FAS to having a hysterectomy. Definition of troll and liar to boot.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#229442 Apr 19, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
<quoted text>
I've never had to HAVE an abortion, since I was lucky that my form of BC has never failed me. However, other women have not been so lucky, and YOU don't decide what "isn't right" for anyone but yourself. Additionally, a hysterectomy is only done for a compelling medical reason, so your last statement is rather absurd.
Bottom line; NO woman has to punish herself with lifetime celibacy because she doesn't want any (or more) children. I'm DONE with the whole procreation thing, I'm certainly not done having sex. Don't like it? Too bad.
or does not dare have anymore. and is unable to use any form of birth control.
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and being celibate in a marriage punishes the spouse of the one who has to go thru it for medical reasons.
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like she could be allergic to the spermacide used on condoms. or if she had cancer due to a pregnancy. things like birth control that uses estrogen can not be used.
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and many other reasons.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#229443 Apr 19, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not buying anything this girl says from FAS to having a hysterectomy. Definition of troll and liar to boot.
Yep.

Transparently so.

Since: Jul 10

Minneapolis, MN

#229444 Apr 19, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Um, no. I'm not undergoing an invasive and expensive surgical procedure that btw is also NOT 100% EFFECTIVE.
Don't offer conjecture on things you do not know about. You don't know what most people do or don't do. You're speculating. I became pregnant twice while using birth control. And while I regret becoming pregnant despite the precautions I took, I am not and will never have my tubes tied.
having one's tubes tied does NOT mean that you will not get pregnant again.
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heck, my brother's wife had her tubes tied after their second kid was born. but twelve years later, she found herself pregnant again. seems the egg found it's way thru one of the many holes that were left in her tubes.
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same thing in a different way after some males have had the big V. because it was not done properly. they found themselves being daddies.
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medical science is NOT a exact science. since everyone it is being done on is different.

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