There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#229334 Apr 18, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
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What percent of abortion accounts for rape victims?
How can one ever know since many rapes go unreported and logically, any abortions affiliated with them. Don't be so daft.

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Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#229335 Apr 18, 2013
Vera wrote:
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With those words, you summed up the mindset of all abortionists...
I wouldn't know. I haven't spoken to any abortionists. And I'm quite sure neither have you.

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LightForce

Warren, MI

#229336 Apr 18, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I've never blamed a man for any of my problems. That certainly doesn't prevent me from calling you out on the obvious fact that you loathe and despise women - whom you routinely castigate for making our own medical choices, when those choices don't conform to your morality.
My powers of observation are excellent. Have you watched the video??
You still haven't stated definitively whether or not you have ever seen the fetus you are bleating about.
When I speak about the rights of the preborn, I’m not talking about the rights to medical choices for women. If you still don’t understand my position, we can go over it again if you like. Your posts concerning this have no validity until you stop equating medical choices with the choice to murder.

I saw the video and the fetus, now what? I think that your own self-interests may be getting in the way of your ability to see it objectively.

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LightForce

Warren, MI

#229337 Apr 18, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>In other words, some children deserve a good life, and some don't, depending on the wealth and choices of the parents.
You're Pro-life....?
Yeah, right.
Here you go again switching words around and then altering the original intent of their meaning.

The original intent of Ella’s comment obviously meant to help everybody involved have the necessities of life rather than to support the parent’s drug habit, which wouldn’t help anybody. That sounds reasonable to me.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229338 Apr 18, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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If by "the right to live" you are referring to abortion, doesn't the woman who's pregnant have rights? Shouldn't she have the right to NOT have to risk her life to remain pregnant or give birth?
Why should she be forced to remain pregnant and give birth against her will?
You can’t just apply the term “rights” arbitrarily. Why should you have the right to kill your child? The child has a moral right to live which should always take precedence over any selfish right to kill the child.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229339 Apr 18, 2013
Expert in all Things wrote:
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What percent of abortion accounts for rape victims?
The high estimate would be 1%. We know this for a fact because if there were any possibility at all it were any higher the pro-abortionists on here would be very quick to point it out.

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Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#229340 Apr 18, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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You can’t just apply the term “rights” arbitrarily. Why should you have the right to kill your child? The child has a moral right to live which should always take precedence over any selfish right to kill the child.
If someone is killing their child, please notify the police immediately. Killing a child is against the law and that person should be arrested.

You cannot say what is moral for someone else. If it is immoral for YOU to have an abortion, then don't have one. But you don't get to decide what is moral and what is not for anyone else.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229341 Apr 18, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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If someone is killing their child, please notify the police immediately. Killing a child is against the law and that person should be arrested.
You cannot say what is moral for someone else. If it is immoral for YOU to have an abortion, then don't have one. But you don't get to decide what is moral and what is not for anyone else.
If we use your premise to solve our problems then that would mean we can do whatever we want, even if it means killing another person. You can't just change the meaning of "rights" when it comes to you as opposed to another individual. That would be a double standard which makes your whole argument invalid.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#229342 Apr 18, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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You can’t just apply the term “rights” arbitrarily. Why should you have the right to kill your child? The child has a moral right to live which should always take precedence over any selfish right to kill the child.
Says who? Says you? Says some other people? Seems that is an opinion. I think it's moral for a women to choose her own destiny. Why should your moral thinking override mine? The courts certainly don't say they should. Seems like your opinions on any moral rights is moot.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#229343 Apr 18, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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If we use your premise to solve our problems then that would mean we can do whatever we want, even if it means killing another person. You can't just change the meaning of "rights" when it comes to you as opposed to another individual. That would be a double standard which makes your whole argument invalid.
Not really. Because an early-term fetus has not been considered a person by anyone other than you pro-lifers.

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Since: Feb 09

usa

#229344 Apr 18, 2013
Ella wrote:
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I agree. We need to be the ones that make a difference in our society.
what kind of difference are you making right now, in your community, for the living breathing children that reside in your community?

do you volunteer at a boys/girls club? are you a big sister? do you volunteer to read to children at the local library? are you a foster parent?

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#229345 Apr 18, 2013
Ella wrote:
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There are many women who cannot have children who would love to have the opportunity to raise a child.
You can also do your part by making a difference in your community. Helping the young, single-parent by babysitting, giving her a ride to the store or encouraging her to move forward in her education may not sound like a lot but to that young mom it is.
We can sit and dialog about the ill's of society but until we step out and begin to help those in need we will not see change.
please explain how adoption is the perfect answer.........yet hundreds of thousands of children [on any given day] are waiting to be adopted. and how thousands age out of the system everyday. having never been adopted.

encouraging a young single mom to move forwared in her education isn't going to do a heck of alot..........she needs affordable, reliable and safe daycare. she needs more than a one time ride to the store.

and why should another woman be a "broad mare" for an infertile female........against her will????

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#229346 Apr 18, 2013
Ella wrote:
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I spend everyday doing my part in my community as a volunteer in a variety of community outreaches. Educating our youth before they have children has always been a priority for me.
educate them where? how? what program?

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#229347 Apr 18, 2013
Ella wrote:
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In answer to your question, money and red tape. A pre-adoptive parent jumps through many hoops in the USA and even after they have the child and bond with them the law can take the child within a one year period if the biological parent changes their mind. So many opt to do foreign adoptions and are willing to accept a child with significant health issues, because the process is much quicker
and foreign governments work with the pre-adoptive. The average adoption takes less than 6 months.
**buzzer sounds**

wrong.

yes the adoption can take some time IF one is adopting a newborn.

i have friends that have adopted children. they are older children, with some emtional and learning delays. but once they filled out all the paper work and were approved, they had a child in their home in 90 days. and the adoption was completed less than a year later.

the biological parents had already given up parental rights.

and foreign adoptions take longer than 6 months. especially these days.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#229348 Apr 18, 2013
Ocean56 wrote:
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1. These women can't consider adopting one of the many older children currently in foster care and who don't have a home...WHY, exactly?
2. I prefer to help girls and young women by encouraging them to avoid all forms of sexual activity in middle and high school, as that too often leads to unwanted teen pregnancy/teen motherhood. It is MUCH easier for girls to complete all levels of their education and begin their jobs/careers when they DON'T have a baby as teenagers. And if some of these girls and young women decide they don't ever want to be mothers, that's fine too. The choice to be childfree is just as valid and responsible as the choice to be a mother.
ohio is on the verge of passing a law that will ban ANY AND ALL sex education in schools. including handing out condoms. if a teacher/school employee even mentions sex education or condoms or anything else related to the subject, the parents can sue the individual as well as the school district.

i predict a 1000% increase in teen pregnancies in ohio, as well as an increase in child abuse. not to mention a drop in education as the funds that would go to educating ohio children will now be used to pay lawsuits.

way to go backwards, ohio!

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#229349 Apr 18, 2013
Ella wrote:
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........ Foreign governments are upfront with adoptive parents informing them of the child's physical/psychological/medical histories and needs. They do their best to insure the transition process is successful.
bullshit.

many foreign govts DENY any abuse or medical problems the child may have.

then there is the fact that many many of these babies are in institutions that hire mentally unstable workers, and/or pedophiles....those with substance abuse problems. do not train them properly.

these babies are left in cribs [in diapers that might get changed once in 24 hours] for days on end, with no human contact. they are not held, rocked, nutured.

most of these places have no heat or running water. mot to mention little or no medical care.

have you missed the news shows about the horrific stories people have after bringing these children to the U.S.??????

the children are unable to bond with the adoptive parents, become violent when touched.... and a host of other emtional, mental, developmental issues.

i am a mental health professional. i have researched this issue.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#229350 Apr 18, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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I found numerous mentions of failed foreign adoptions. Many were on forums and other pages. This one seems pretty reputable. Many of them mentioned "Reactive Attachment Disorder."
http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/897380/ov...
exsctly mamma-san..........

its been well proven that when a newborn is not held, touched, and loved it does not develop the ability to bond with other humans. the longer it is not nutured and given human contact, the more likely it will not be able to bond.

this is also a problem with babies in neonatal units.

not to mention it will more than likely have delays in other areas of developmental areas as well.

i feel all children born should be loved and wanted and have the best possible life. not just exist.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#229351 Apr 18, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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If we use your premise to solve our problems then that would mean we can do whatever we want, even if it means killing another person. You can't just change the meaning of "rights" when it comes to you as opposed to another individual. That would be a double standard which makes your whole argument invalid.
No. My premise does NOT include killing anything outside a woman's uterus.

That is YOUR premise. You insist on talking about killing human beings OUTSIDE of a woman's uterus.

Don't paint me with your brush.

“IMAGINE no religion!”

Since: Feb 09

usa

#229352 Apr 18, 2013
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>How about successful foreign adoptions? Why is it you always go to the negative sources,other than to try and prove that abortion is just fine.
No one here says every adoption is perfect,there are problems in all parents and children.
Heres an interesting link.http://www.comeunity.com/ adoption/Groza.html
you womb nazis always say ADOPTION is the perfect answer. you try and put it in a package and tie a pretty bow around it.

all we pro choicers do is present the WHOLE PICTURE.

that adoption isn't the PERFECT answer.

glad the state of indiana saw you weren't fit to be a foster parent!
LightForce

Warren, MI

#229353 Apr 18, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Says who? Says you? Says some other people? Seems that is an opinion. I think it's moral for a women to choose her own destiny. Why should your moral thinking override mine? The courts certainly don't say they should. Seems like your opinions on any moral rights is moot.
It is understood as an ethical standard in our society that everybody has the basic inherent right to life. Ethical/moral standards are standards based on what we would want for ourselves, and to be applied equally to everybody. So if you believe that your own life is worthless, you could also think that abortion is alright.

If you are going to base your opinion on what is legal, then you would have to assume that the law in effect now will always remain in effect. You wouldn’t want your rights to be taken away because the state might have a legal right to do so. If an ethical right is there, it would be wrong for the government to deny that right. Therefore, whether abortion is legal or not adds no validity to your argument.

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