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LightForce wrote:
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Why are you now obsessed with my personal life? This is a debate about the topic of abortion, and not about my personal life.
Yet here you are meddling in other people's personal lives. Quite the hypocrite. And thank you for proving my point.

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LightForce wrote:
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Silly, that’s because if you talk to the abused in one case, and to the abuser in another, you will get conflicting stories.
And I repeat, there's no connection between abused women and abortions.
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Mpnf1979 wrote:
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And I repeat, there's no connection between abused women and abortions.
If your knowledge of the abused women and women who have had abortions is limited to your comment, than I would have to agree that your “ignorance is bliss”. For over 23yrs.,I have counseled many women who have been physically, sexually, or ritualistically abused and women who have had abortions, the similarities are startling and staggering. There are many women out there that are physically and emotionally wounded, that go through life hiding behind their masks of deception praying no one will ever see the deep wounds they bear in their souls.
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Message for teen girls who AREN'T pregnant and don't want to be: Many teen girls do not realize that being sexFREE (meaning, free FROM sex) is a winning advantage for them. This is why I think it’s important to give girls in middle and high school a list of the freedoms that being sexFREE provides. The top ten winning advantages of being SF (sexFREE) are:

1. Freedom from unwanted teen pregnancy and teen motherhood.

2. Freedom from incurable STDs like Herpes and fatal STDs like AIDS.

3. Freedom to concentrate on school work and participate in school activities.

4. Freedom to get all homework assignments and studying done and maintain or improve grades.

5. Freedom to participate in learning programs for future jobs and careers.

6. Freedom to graduate with classmates and receive a high school diploma.

7. Freedom to move on to college or vocational school with no restrictions.

8. Freedom to complete a college or vocational program with a degree or certificate.

9. Freedom to look for and accept good jobs with higher salaries.

10. Freedom to get valuable job experience in a chosen career and take courses to learn more job skills.

Getting pregnant and becoming a teen mother will, most likely, take away most of these freedoms, if not all of them. A teen mom has to put the care of her baby first, which means putting her education second. If she has to study for an important test and the baby is sick, the studying may not get done because she has to care for the baby. That may result in her doing poorly on the exam instead of doing well. If a teen mom wants to attend her junior or senior prom but has no one to watch the baby for her, she can’t go to the dance and has to stay home. If a teen mom is going to college, she may fail one or more classes because caring for her baby or child took priority over completing all her course requirements. A teen mom may even have to drop out of high school or college because she could not take care of her baby and do all her school work at the same time.

By contrast, a teen girl who realizes that being sexFREE (again, that means free FROM sex) in middle/high school and college is a clear winning advantage will avoid sex with partners during those years. She will keep her freedom to enjoy all the advantages that the SF choice offers. She is free to concentrate in school, get all her class and homework assignments done, attend any dances she wishes, and take part in school activities like working on the school newspaper or yearbook. Best of all, she will graduate with her class and go on to college or vocational school afterward. If she avoids sexual activity with partners during her college or vocational school years, she will continue to enjoy the advantages indefinitely. She may even decide at some point that she prefers the career world over marriage and children, which is a perfectly valid choice. Not all women wish to be wives and mothers.

It is my firm belief that there is nothing good about getting pregnant as a teenager. Teen pregnancy and teen motherhood can impair or even destroy a girl’s ability to get a good education, which is the foundation for good employment. If a girl cannot get a good job because she doesn’t have a high school diploma, poverty may become inevitable. Sadly, many teen girls don’t know how very hard teen motherhood is until it is too late. They don’t know because no one ever told them, either at home or at school. It is about time that changed.

The “just say no” approach to abstinence-only sex education programs is miserably inadequate because it doesn’t explain WHY teens, especially girls, should say no to sex. The top ten list of winning advantages is a good informational tool to start off with. When a large majority of teens have this information, they may soon begin to realize that enjoying the advantages of the sexFREE choice is a much better option for them than being trapped by the burdens of teen motherhood.
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Ella wrote:
If your knowledge of the abused women and women who have had abortions is limited to your comment, than I would have to agree that your “ignorance is bliss”. For over 23yrs.,I have counseled many women who have been physically, sexually, or ritualistically abused and women who have had abortions, the similarities are startling and staggering. There are many women out there that are physically and emotionally wounded, that go through life hiding behind their masks of deception praying no one will ever see the deep wounds they bear in their souls.
I wonder; what do you say to the fact that there are many women who DON'T regret having an abortion at all, but were just relieved the option was available to them? Here are stories from women who don't regret having an abortion. From reading some of their stories, I would say they regret GETTING pregnant in the first place.

http://www.imnotsorry.net
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This might help girls see the difference between the two lifestyles of being a free teenager and being a teen mom BEFORE they make the mistake of having sex and possibly ending up pregnant.

If anyone can think of more benefits of lifestyle #1 or negatives of lifestyle #2, please go ahead and add them.

LIFESTYLE #1 - LIFE AS A FREE TEENAGER:
- Keeping up grades, studying, doing homework
- Participating in after-school activities
- Going to school dances and parties
- Relaxing during summer vacation
- Having fun at the junior or senior prom
- Graduating high school and attending after-graduation parties
- Moving on to college or vocational school with no restrictions

LIFSTYLE #2 - LIFE AS A TEEN MOM:
- Missing school, falling behind in classes
- Getting up two or three times at night to feed a baby
- Endless diaper changes, including stinky ones
- Losing friends who don't want to be around crying babies
- Staying home with a crying baby while friends are out having fun
- Missing high school graduation, or even having to drop out of school
- Losing out on the dream job/career originally planned


As a teenager who is happily NOT pregnant, which lifestyle do YOU want? Wouldn't you rather have the first lifestyle instead of the second?

You can keep Lifestyle #1 very easily, just by saying NO to any guy who pressures you to have sex. If your boyfriend says he'll break up with you if you won't have sex with him, don't cave in. Break up with HIM instead. You have the power to say NO; don't be afraid to use it.

Keeping your freedom to BE a teenager; there's no better reason to say no.
Sam

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The Advocate wrote:
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Problem is, you never actually did link to your "source." Duh.
The problem is, you should read the thread again. I did.

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Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, I'm one of the three percent.
I didn't find it at all convenient.
I found it terrifying, painful, and expensive.
And I find you utterly repugnant.
You're a liar. That's what you are.

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Mpnf1979 wrote:
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It must suck being you. Alone and full of misguided rage that you feel the need to take it out on a woman who had to make such a decision. You're special breed of "bad."
Not as much as it must have sucked for the child you created as you snuffed his life.

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Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Yet here you are meddling in other people's personal lives. Quite the hypocrite. And thank you for proving my point.
In one response you say we should care for the less fortunate, in another you say we're meddling in personal lives. Shouldn't we advocate for children that can't speak for themselves? Is your position that we should let parents kill heir children, because advocating for them would be meddling?

“Ignorance is bliss.”

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Ella wrote:
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If your knowledge of the abused women and women who have had abortions is limited to your comment, than I would have to agree that your “ignorance is bliss”. For over 23yrs.,I have counseled many women who have been physically, sexually, or ritualistically abused and women who have had abortions, the similarities are startling and staggering. There are many women out there that are physically and emotionally wounded, that go through life hiding behind their masks of deception praying no one will ever see the deep wounds they bear in their souls.
This is where people not knowing the context of a statement is being made comes into play and makes them look silly. Someone made a moral comparison between people being ALLOWED to beat their wives and women being allowed to have abortions. It had nothing to do with abused women having abortions or any comparison between the mental anguish a woman who has been abused may experience as compared with any mental anguish a woman who has had an abortion may experience.

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Grunt56 wrote:
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Not as much as it must have sucked for the child you created as you snuffed his life.
I'm quite at ease with the decision I made. It doesn't matter if you approve, disapprove or even consider it. Your opinion isn't even remotely important to me. But if you think it's okay to badger a woman who has been in the situation between choosing between her own life and the life of her fetus, then obviously you're lacking some kind of moral code and any opinion you offer on any subject is moot.

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Grunt56 wrote:
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In one response you say we should care for the less fortunate, in another you say we're meddling in personal lives. Shouldn't we advocate for children that can't speak for themselves? Is your position that we should let parents kill heir children, because advocating for them would be meddling?
If people are killing their children, that's obviously a very big problem. But no children are killed in an abortion. This has been repeated to you several times and any opinion on the matter is not going to change no matter how many times you say otherwise.

And more importantly, any personal decision I make concerning my body is none of your concern. It wasn't three years ago. It wasn't four months ago. It isn't today, it won't be tomorrow.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

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Grunt56 wrote:
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Not as much as it must have sucked for the child you created as you snuffed his life.
But at least you admit it does suck being you, even if you don't think it sucks as much as being me...lol. Thank you for at least one honest comment.

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Mpnf1979 wrote:
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If people are killing their children, that's obviously a very big problem. But no children are killed in an abortion. This has been repeated to you several times and any opinion on the matter is not going to change no matter how many times you say otherwise.
And more importantly, any personal decision I make concerning my body is none of your concern. It wasn't three years ago. It wasn't four months ago. It isn't today, it won't be tomorrow.
You can keep repeating it, but it doesn't change the FACT that we're speaking of the same person, just at different stages of development. Your hang up on my use of the word "child" is akin to correcting me for calling an "infant" a "toddler". Same person, different stage of development.

It isn't your body that anyone is concerned with. It's the body you created. That has already been established to be our business.. The only thing being fought in the legislative and judicial systems is WHEN it becomes our business.

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Grunt56 wrote:
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You can keep repeating it, but it doesn't change the FACT that we're speaking of the same person, just at different stages of development. Your hang up on my use of the word "child" is akin to correcting me for calling an "infant" a "toddler". Same person, different stage of development.
It isn't your body that anyone is concerned with. It's the body you created. That has already been established to be our business.. The only thing being fought in the legislative and judicial systems is WHEN it becomes our business.
But it isn't your business. No matter how many times you say it is. It never will be your business. Shrug. Don't like it? Not my problem. I never sought or desired your approval and I still don't. What you think or feel on the matter will never change any woman's decision.

“I'm here with bells on.”

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Mpnf1979 wrote:
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But it isn't your business. No matter how many times you say it is. It never will be your business. Shrug. Don't like it? Not my problem. I never sought or desired your approval and I still don't. What you think or feel on the matter will never change any woman's decision.
And doesn't it just roll 'em over, and lay 'em out, with their little heels bouncing rhythmically against the floor, to know that, too...

One has to wonder what kind of time his 'kids' get, when he's here 24/7 railing against women's choices.

When my two were 'riding tricycles', I didn't have time for this sort of thing. I guess it's all a question of priorities.

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Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>And doesn't it just roll 'em over, and lay 'em out, with their little heels bouncing rhythmically against the floor, to know that, too...
One has to wonder what kind of time his 'kids' get, when he's here 24/7 railing against women's choices.
When my two were 'riding tricycles', I didn't have time for this sort of thing. I guess it's all a question of priorities.
Part-time dads have a lot of time on their hands and more than likely, the previous weekend was probably his "free" weekend.

I am sometimes amazed at how egotistical someone can be to think that his opinion matters to anyone other than himself. It gives me a great chuckle when these people also think abortion will ever end. If there ever comes a time when women can prevent unwanted pregnancy with all certainty, I'm all for it. Absolutely. I certainly took precautions and still became pregnant. I didn't plan either of my pregnancies. I've been on birth control since I was 18 years old and have always been responsible. Until December, I was with the same man for 7 years, so I'm not promiscuous either. But to put it bluntly, sh*t happens and you gotta do what you gotta do. But never a moment goes by that I don't feel that I made the right decision in both cases. I don't begrudge anyone for choosing to remain pregnant even in the face of adversity, but when it comes down to it, I wanted a better life for myself than being "stuck." Selfish? Maybe. But I could've been selfish in saying that I'm going to have a kid regardless of the financial and situational consequences. To me, personal responsibility includes making the tough, ugly decisions no one wants to make.
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Ocean56 wrote:
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I wonder; what do you say to the fact that there are many women who DON'T regret having an abortion at all, but were just relieved the option was available to them? Here are stories from women who don't regret having an abortion. From reading some of their stories, I would say they regret GETTING pregnant in the first place.
http://www.imnotsorry.net
I did check out the website and I agree many had expressed regret for getting pregnant in the first place. Unfortunately many women live the fantasy of a carefree lifestyle until they do get pregnant and then they are faced with the reality of responsibility. I applaud you and your efforts in teaching our youth about "sexFree" living. Our youth are our future.

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