There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228622 Apr 5, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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If a child dies at Planned Parenthood and nobody is there to see it, does that mean it never really happened? What I'm saying is that just because you don't know something, doesn't mean it's not true.
Just because you *think* something doesn't make it true. Lots of people think a lot of things about PP that aren't true. But people refuse to hear facts because it suits their agenda.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228623 Apr 5, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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My little retorts are 100% accurate, and are all the majority of your statements deserve.
You lie.
You misrepresent the truth.
You ignore the facts.
Then you wonder why you no longer get a straight answer.
Stop being dishonest and you might get one. Until then, the discussion has already been laid out, and lost by you.
I'm sorry that frustrates you. Just think, if you hadn't killed your unborn child, you'd have someone to discuss it with.
I'm not frustrated, I literally smile while I type because of how inane and baseless all your testimony is. You've got nothing but sophomoric comments.

If I had had a child, I would still be on here fighting for the rights of women to choose their own paths. If you had children like you claim you do, you'd be spending this gorgeous Friday evening with them. Alas, here you are like the impotent little loser you are who keeps embarrassing himself over and over.

Answer the question.
LightForce

Rockford, MI

#228624 Apr 5, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Bullshite. It's a wad of goo that cannot live on its own for quite a spell, and if the woman who is pregnant does not wish to risk her life and health trying to bring it to term, she doesn't have to as long as she acts within a reasonable time. When you're pregnant, YOU can make the decision, but until then, it's none of your business.
I'll assume that what you are saying is that human beings who do not possess certain physical criteria that we see in most adults should not have the basic right to live like you and others might enjoy. You could use this same argument to kill granny too.

Another anomaly is that first you said that it's nobody's business, and then you said it's alright as long as she acts in a “reasonable” time. Which is it?

I've found in my own experience that it usually works for the best if you try to develop a moral basis for your actions before they actually occur, rather than acting first, and then trying to justify your actions later.

Note: At the most about 1% of abortions are done because the woman's life is in danger, so that is essentially a non-argument.

Since: Apr 12

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#228625 Apr 5, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Deflection coward. Prove me wrong. Answer the question.
I've proven you wrong time and time again. Start reading.

Liar.

Since: Apr 12

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#228626 Apr 5, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Just because you *think* something doesn't make it true. Lots of people think a lot of things about PP that aren't true. But people refuse to hear facts because it suits their agenda.
Planned Parenthood's position is what happens to that child should be the decision of the mother and the doctor. Nobody else.
LightForce

Rockford, MI

#228627 Apr 5, 2013
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Apparently there is a place called "Cloud Cuckoo-land where wads of goo can think, talk and make demands upon actual living, breathing human beings.
Not your body? Not your uterus? NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!
As long as the rights of another person are being violated, it is the responsibility of everybody to make it their business.

Since: Apr 12

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#228628 Apr 5, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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I'm not frustrated, I literally smile while I type because of how inane and baseless all your testimony is. You've got nothing but sophomoric comments.
If I had had a child, I would still be on here fighting for the rights of women to choose their own paths. If you had children like you claim you do, you'd be spending this gorgeous Friday evening with them. Alas, here you are like the impotent little loser you are who keeps embarrassing himself over and over.
Answer the question.
Now that's irony. Getting parenting criticism by someone who killed her child.
LightForce

Rockford, MI

#228629 Apr 5, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Beating one's wife and abortion has nothing in common. Nothing at all.
Stating that something is so, isn't the same thing as it actually being so.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228630 Apr 5, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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What is it, a bagel? All of us have a beginning, and it would be rediculous for us to believe that we all start our lives out being fully developed. The difference is only in the various developmental stages.
Opinions are only based on one's own subjective reasoning, while pro-life views are based on moral reasoning, and known scientific facts. On the other hand pro-abortion views are based on selfish reasoning, and a belief in scientific racism that's derived from a primitive understanding of genetics.
Challenge: Explain at what point it would be OK to kill somebody depending on the level of a person's consciousness.
Fact: Something that's not alive does not grow.
Question: If it is just a “potential life” then there would be no need for you to kill it, would there be?
It is what it is in that stage of development. A zygote is not a person.

You lose the argument by using "pro-abortion." No one is pro-abortion. This has been stated to you many times by many posters. As for using morality to guide your thoughts, morality is subjective. You see abortion as selfish, I see it as completely lacking in selfishness. Anyone can choose to spit out a kid and give it a miserable life. But making a decision because you know it's in everyone's best interest despite what you may "want" is actually quite the opposite of selfish. Many women who become pregnant on accident wish they could continue the pregnancy. Many wish their lives were in different places, that they had the money, that they had a better job, that they weren't in an abusive relationship, etc. etc. etc. Many of them wish for a lot of things that would make having a child possible. Wishing for things doesn't make them come true and doesn't stop reality from ruining a lot of people's lives.

We make decisions to end people's lives all the time in our society. Ever hear of passive euthanasia? What do you think pulling the plug means? The problem with what you're saying is that a zygote is not a somebody.

A plant is alive. But that doesn't give it any rights. Things can be alive but that does not mean they are people.

Because it's potential life, there is every reason to abort it if you do not want to produce life. That potential life is also not guaranteed and many women have miscarriages very early on in their pregnancy. I had a miscarriage and by no means did I say I lost a baby. I lost the potential to have a baby if it had come to fruition.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228631 Apr 5, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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I've proven everything I've stated. I've pointed out that your rebuttals don't make sense, or even address my point. I've pointed out that you ignore my evidence, and instead try to shift focus to a side point.
Like I said. You're dishonest. You've lost your argument, now you just hang around to troll and cry loudly. You're like the schoolyard bully who just got his butt handed to him, so now he stands outside the fence and calls names.
You don't answer a very important question that's been posed to you by I believe three posters and by me repeatedly. You only put your hand in where you think it's not going to get messy. You're a coward. And the fact that you feel bullied just proves my point that you don't like the fact that I've backed you into a corner.

When it comes to your retorts, all that you've shown is that your uneducated and lacking in logic. Nothing else.

So until you can add "I've answered all the questions" I would say your resume is quite incomplete and you're credibility is lost. Since it's lost, you can't seriously think that any of us would read what you wrote above and do anything other than laugh, do you?

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228632 Apr 5, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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I've proven you wrong time and time again. Start reading.
Liar.
Ah. Back to the short "I've got nothing to say" posts. Typical.

Answer the question.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228633 Apr 5, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Planned Parenthood's position is what happens to that child should be the decision of the mother and the doctor. Nobody else.
I've never disputed any position PP has taken. But they've also never said "We want to kill born babies" like you say they have.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228634 Apr 5, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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As long as the rights of another person are being violated, it is the responsibility of everybody to make it their business.
If that's true, why aren't you more active in worldwide atrocities that violate the rights of innocent people? Why aren't you worried and actively searching for an end to the combat in Syria? Why aren't you worried about how North Korea is in a police state and its citizens are denied basic freedoms? Do you make this stuff your business to and if so, what do you do about it?

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228635 Apr 5, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Now that's irony. Getting parenting criticism by someone who killed her child.
Deflection. Again. Must be a shared custody thing. That makes sense. Doubtful that any woman could stand you. Especially since you'd rather see them die than abort her fetus. Am I right or am I right?

And that's another thing you haven't proven. You haven't proven that I've killed my child. I don't have a child. And if I did, I certainly would kill him or her. But I did have an abortion. Fortunately, no children involved. Now, let me proceed you in your one-sentence reply of "Liar!" (since we know that's all you've got), but until you can prove there was a child in my uterus, you're lying.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228636 Apr 5, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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Stating that something is so, isn't the same thing as it actually being so.
hahahahahahaha...oh my, we've got a Grunt groupie. Well, let me tell you this: I've known abused women and I've known women who have gotten abortions. And there isn't one damn similarity between them.

Since: Apr 12

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#228637 Apr 5, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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You don't answer a very important question that's been posed to you by I believe three posters and by me repeatedly. You only put your hand in where you think it's not going to get messy. You're a coward. And the fact that you feel bullied just proves my point that you don't like the fact that I've backed you into a corner.
When it comes to your retorts, all that you've shown is that your uneducated and lacking in logic. Nothing else.
So until you can add "I've answered all the questions" I would say your resume is quite incomplete and you're credibility is lost. Since it's lost, you can't seriously think that any of us would read what you wrote above and do anything other than laugh, do you?
You don't pick and choose the questions asked. That's your tactic. You get beaten on a topic, so you deflect. You either deny it with no support, or you ignore it completely. Then you pop something else up to shift focus to.

You're a liar and a fraud. You get destroyed in rational discussion, so you make it irrational, then cry about it.

That's where we are now.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#228638 Apr 5, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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I've never disputed any position PP has taken. But they've also never said "We want to kill born babies" like you say they have.
They want to give women the right to kill born babies if they choose. Same thing. They support killing born babies.

Deflection

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228639 Apr 5, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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You don't pick and choose the questions asked. That's your tactic. You get beaten on a topic, so you deflect. You either deny it with no support, or you ignore it completely. Then you pop something else up to shift focus to.
You're a liar and a fraud. You get destroyed in rational discussion, so you make it irrational, then cry about it.
That's where we are now.
But I haven't been beaten. Not once. The one crying and whining is you. Every time you whine, I come back with more evidence. Then you whine and name-call again. And still don't do anything but speculate and avoid.

I can point out several instances on here where you deflect.

Answering that question yet?

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#228640 Apr 5, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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They want to give women the right to kill born babies if they choose. Same thing. They support killing born babies.
Deflection
I don't think you understand what deflection means.

A man in Philadelphia just went to jail for killing babies of botched abortions. So how could it possibly be legal for PP to do this?

http://www.care2.com/causes/why-the-response-...

If you aren't sure what that is above, it's called evidence.

If Planned Parenthood as an organization performed illegal late-term abortions like this man did, I would discredit them as well.

Since: Apr 12

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#228641 Apr 5, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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But I haven't been beaten. Not once. The one crying and whining is you. Every time you whine, I come back with more evidence. Then you whine and name-call again. And still don't do anything but speculate and avoid.
I can point out several instances on here where you deflect.
Answering that question yet?
Another prime example of you ignoring your position smashed and deflecting.

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