There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#228165 Apr 1, 2013
Expert in All Things wrote:
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Proven by who and how?
Proven by me because if I had, I wouldn't be typing this.
Expert in All Things

Redding, CA

#228166 Apr 1, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Proven by me because if I had, I wouldn't be typing this.
That is exceptable proof in your world view? How can that be scientifically proven?
The man

Houston, TX

#228168 Apr 1, 2013
Birth controll is a good thing. How many people do we really need!
Expert in All Things

Redding, CA

#228169 Apr 1, 2013
zander714 wrote:
Who is it for anyone here to judge? It's not your call.
Who are you then to make that judgement?

Are you special?

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#228170 Apr 2, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Of course not. Nothing will ever stop people from murdering each other. That doesn't mean it should be legal or that it isn't a violation of the unborn child's rights. I've never claimed that they'd be able to stop it, only that they can make it illegal and prosecute those doctors and mothers who kill their unborn children.
Comprehension isn't your strong suit.
What about the rights of the woman? She exists and has a right to autonomy over her body,including the uterus.

Why should she be forced to remain pregnant and give birth, risking her life in the process, against her will?

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#228171 Apr 2, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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It's tedious having to explain things to you like I would a toddler.
I'm not reaching. You just aren't smart enough to comprehend the point. You're the worst kind of moron. You're the moron who thinks she isn't.
Ask someone to help you out.
No, that's not the case.

You KNOW you're wrong, on virtually all points.

So you're resorting to insults and disparaging comments.

We've all seen posters like you before. You continually ignore the FACTS (that an fetus, up until a certain point of gestation, HAS no rights, that abortion is not murder, women have a right to bodily autonomy, etc..) and you can't keep denying these facts, so you're behaving like a recalcitrant four year old child. Soon, we'll hear "my daddy is bigger than YOUR daddy."
Ocean56

AOL

#228172 Apr 2, 2013
Life is Precious wrote:
If she regretted it,I would continue to be her friend,if she bragged about it like so many of you prodeathers do on this thread I would probably walk away.Life is too short to have baby killers in my life.
Life is too short for me to tolerate anti-choicers in MY life, which is why I wouldn't tolerate any anti-choice extremists around me.

I have a gut feeling that any woman you "walk away" from is secretly relieved to have you OUT of her life, even though she would probably be too polite to tell you that directly.
Ocean56

AOL

#228173 Apr 2, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
Are you so dense you don't know that you have to have sex to get pregnant?
I'm all about the LIFE of innocents.
Thankfully for unborn babies, killers like you are losing ground while they gain more rights.
Obviously, YOU are too dense to know that NO woman has to punish herself with lifetime celibacy because she doesn't ever want pregnancy or children. Motherhood is OPTIONAL, not required, even if a pregnancy happens.

Thankfully for me and all women, YOU don't make my sexual and reproductive choices for me or any other woman for that matter.

Since: Apr 12

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#228174 Apr 2, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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You can't. The law exists for the parents. This has been stated already.
I know you realize how idiotic that statement is, since its not the parents who are murdered.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#228175 Apr 2, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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You can't explain anything. You're wrong, have been wrong and continue to be wrong. I've never murdered a child. No woman who has had an abortion has killed their child. It's not my problem that you're too stupid to understand that fact.
You warp reality to ease your conscience. Killing your unborn child is disgusting.
Ocean56

AOL

#228176 Apr 2, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
Do you intentionally post blatantly false things, or are you just really stupid?
Neither, idiot. What I posted previously isn't false, and I think I'm MUCH smarter than you. What YOU think is completely irrelevant, to me anyway.

The ONLY person to make the decision whether or not to continue a pregnancy is the WOMAN who is pregnant. Whatever decision she makes, it is HER decision, and none of YOUR business. Motherhood is an OPTION, not a requirement. Deal with it.

Since: Apr 12

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#228177 Apr 2, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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But you couldn't possibly have because you've been wrong about everything. Especially about me being able to have an abortion.
You're wrong. I've established numerous times ow wrong you are.

Now you're just trolling.
Ocean56

AOL

#228178 Apr 2, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
Biology has nothing to do with you taking responsibility for the life developing within you idiot, if you are not ready to take responsibility for that life then you should keep your legs closed.
NO woman has to punish herself with lifetime celibacy because she doesn't ever want pregnancy or children, idiot. Motherhood is an OPTION for women, not a requirement, which means any woman can reject motherhood for any reason. Happy to disappoint you.

Since: Apr 12

Location hidden

#228179 Apr 2, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
C'mon Grunt. You were man enough to tell a woman whom you don't know, whose experience you know nothing about that she murdered her "unborn child" after being told she would die if she did not. If you were "man" enough to give your opinion, surely you should offer how you'd do it differently and how you would navigate yourself and your wife through that same scenario. We're all waiting with baited breath.
Could you point to where I said you committed murder? Oh wait. You can't.

Troll troll trolling along.

Thankfully, someday cretins like you will be punished for killing your unborn children.

Who knows what that life would be. I sit here watching my two boys pushing each other on their tricycle and it drives whom what a disgusting person you are.
mummum

Pittsburgh, PA

#228180 Apr 2, 2013
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Since: Apr 12

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#228181 Apr 2, 2013
zander714 wrote:
Who is it for anyone here to judge? It's not your call.
So if I kills you, I shouldn't be judged?
Ocean56

AOL

#228182 Apr 2, 2013
If girls and women think school or work is hard now, they should know that becoming a mother will be ten times harder. Many mothers and grandmothers don’t tell young girls and women in their family exactly how hard motherhood truly is, for reasons known only to them. I strongly disagree with the practice of keeping girls in ignorance of this. I believe they NEED to know what being a mother will require of them, so they can make an informed decision about being a mother, even if it means some girls will decide not to be mothers at any point in their lives. That is just fine if some don't want to be mothers. Not all girls or women are suited to be moms, and choosing NOT to be a mother is just as valid as the choice to be one.

Some of the hardships mothers of all ages will face once a baby arrives include -- but are not limited to -- the following:

HARDSHIP #1: LOSS OF FREEDOM - Having a baby really does change everything, including the freedom that girls and women used to have in abundance. Once the baby arrives, that freedom will be gone, for at least the next five or six years and possibly longer. Teen girls and young women who become moms can forget about going out with friends, whether to the movies, to hang out at their favorite restaurant or coffee shop, or anywhere else for that matter. If they do go out, they’ll have to take the baby with them if their parents refuse to babysit. If the baby is sick or very cranky for any number of reasons, girls will end up staying home instead of going out. Girls who are still in middle or high school will find it much harder to do their homework assignments or study for exams when they have to care for a baby as well. It will be a very long time before girls get any of their former freedom back.

HARDSHIP #2: LOSS OF SLEEP - The first thing girls and women have to know about motherhood is that newborn babies do NOT sleep eight hours a night. All mothers, myself included, can honestly say that babies can – and do – wake up during the night as many as two or three times. Each time the baby wakes up, mom has to get up with the baby, feed the baby, change the baby’s diaper (which could be a messy one), and then get the baby back to sleep. When my son was a newborn baby, there were nights where I got NO sleep whatsoever. Luckily for me, I had completed high school and post-high school education long before that, so I didn’t have to get up at 5:00am to go to school after having almost no sleep. Those who are teen moms will not be so lucky.

HARDSHIP #3: LOSS OF MONEY - Whatever money a girl/woman used to spend on herself will have to be spent on the baby, and that cost is far more than most girls could begin to anticipate. These costs include diapers, food, clothing, baby equipment (car seat, crib, stroller, baby carriers, baby and child toys, etc.) and so much more. Anyone who wants to do the math can begin their research by going to their local grocery store and checking out the baby food and diaper sections. Just make sure you have a notebook and calculator, because you will need to multiply those costs for each item several times per week. That’s just for food and diapers, you haven’t even started on the costs for clothing, baby equipment and toys. That will add a staggering amount to your calculations, and the sum will be far higher than you could imagine. If you plan to put the baby in day care for any amount of time during the week, you will have to add up those costs too. Get the picture now? Having a baby costs a HUGE amount of money, which many girls and young women simply do not have, unless they have wealthy parents.

Since: Apr 12

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#228183 Apr 2, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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What about the rights of the woman? She exists and has a right to autonomy over her body,including the uterus.
Why should she be forced to remain pregnant and give birth, risking her life in the process, against her will?
The woman has the ability to not get pregnant. What a concept. Once she creates life, she's responsible for it.
Ocean56

AOL

#228184 Apr 2, 2013
HARDSHIP #4: LOSS OF EDUCATION AND JOB/CAREER OPPORTUNITIES – As hard as it is to acknowledge, a working mother of any age cannot have the same kind of freedom, flexibility or mobility as a woman without children has. If a girl cannot complete high school due to the demands of motherhood, she will not be able to go to college or vocational school, as both typically require a high school diploma first. That automatically limits her ability to find good employment, and she may well have to settle for a minimum wage job, which pays far less than what is needed to raise a child comfortably. Girls and women who complete high school may find that many jobs require a college degree or vocational school certificate, and without those, she may still not be able to get a job that pays a decent salary. A high school diploma alone is no guarantee of good employment, but all girls need one if they hope to advance to higher levels of education that their chosen job or career requires.

HARDSHIP #5: LOSS OF MOBILITY – Those who don’t have children have a rather naïve idea that parents can just as easily take a baby with them whenever they go out. They are half right. Yes, parents can take a baby out with them, but it is far from easy. Even going to the grocery store with a baby can be a huge hassle. First they have to get the baby dressed, which can be difficult when the little one is happy being home and doesn’t want to be dressed to go out. After getting baby dressed, which can take much longer than mom expected, mom then has to put baby into the car seat, get baby out of the car seat when she arrives at the store, then carry baby around until she can find a cart with an infant carrier. Most grocery stores have very few of those, as I personally discovered long ago. Some may not have any. Going to a restaurant with a baby can also be very stressful, especially if baby suddenly begins crying or screaming for unknown reasons. Mothers who walk into restaurants with screaming or crying babies will find themselves the object of hostile stares, which usually last until they finally have to leave.

HARDSHIP #6: LOSS OF PRIVATE TIME – When a baby arrives, a mom will quickly find that she doesn’t have privacy any more. If she used to read books for hours with few or no interruptions, that will no longer be an option for her. If she is a teen mom who needs quiet time to complete her homework assignments or study for important final exams, that won’t be possible either. A baby will demand her attention many times during the day, so she won’t have private time for doing the things she enjoys or needs to complete.
Ocean56

AOL

#228185 Apr 2, 2013
HARDSHIP #7: DEALING WITH COLIC – For girls/women who are unaware, colic is a long period of crying, screaming and shrieking that can last for many hours a day, and even all night. It can begin when the baby is as young as three weeks old, and it can go on until the baby is five months old. My son had colic for almost two months as an infant. For me, it seemed more like two years. During that time, the crying usually began in the early evening and would last until past midnight. I would walk around the small apartment, carrying him in my arms for hours trying to comfort him, but nothing I did really worked. He wouldn’t eat, and he most certainly didn’t sleep, and I was a wreck as a result. Being deprived of sleep, with a colicky baby on top of that, can really feel like torture for a mom after a while. I was no exception.

There is no escaping the fact that becoming a mother makes a girl’s/woman's life much HARDER and she loses most, if not all, of the benefits and comforts she had before she got pregnant. Too many girls/women are PRESSURED into having children by family members and/or religious community, and purposely aren't told just how very hard motherhood is until AFTER they have had a baby. I think it is high time that changed.

Girls and young women who have no children now need to know about these hardships long before a pregnancy ever happens, so they can PREVENT unwanted pregnancy to the best of their ability. If some girls/women decide they never want to struggle with the hardships of motherhood, that is fine too. The choice for a woman to be childfree is just as valid and respectable as the choice to be a mother.

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