There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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#228130 Apr 1, 2013
Catch-22 wrote:
"As I said, just travel to another state. Just as women did before Roe v Wade. One of my friends travelled from Nebraska to California to have a LEGAL abortion in 1971." Really? Why didn't she just go to Wisconsin? Much closer to Nebraska than California.
Because of her extremely poor health, early during her pregnancy in 1971, my wife briefly considered going to Wisconsin for an abortion -- until she realized (with no prodding from me) that the unborn baby inside her was indeed a human life.
Thanks to the Dalkon Shield, she lost what would have been our third child about 16 weeks into her pregnancy.
I'm sorry to hear that. Losing a child who is wanted is always sad.

It's also sad to bring a child who is unwanted into the world.

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#228131 Apr 1, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Amazing how much energy the mentally ill will use to kill their unborn child.
Fortunately, it gets more difficult every year.
First, you're a judge of morality.

Then you claim to know more about law that most of us?

Now you're a mental health expert?

What's next? walking on water?

The more you post, the more ridiculous you become.

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#228132 Apr 1, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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But you haven't. You've just shown that you're a sore loser and ignorant of the facts. Just like you did when you said I couldn't have an abortion. You've lost credibility son.
Keep trolling. I haven't lost anything. In fact, the ground we've gained prevents you from killing more unborn children with every passing year.

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#228133 Apr 1, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Doesn't. Saying it does doesn't make it so. You've still not shown me one case where a fetus has brought a lawsuit against anyone or anything. Still waiting.
Sadly, you aren't even smart enough to recognize how stupid this statement is. You don't need to bring a lawsuit to have rights. The state, or anyone else, can bring a lawsuit or charge someone with a crime.

Some states, such as Virginia, have laws on the books that allow parents to sue for the wrongful death or murder of an unborn baby.

Ooops. Imagine that. I've proven you wrong.

Again.

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#228134 Apr 1, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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If I had killed a child, certainly that would be sad. I'm lucky to live in a country with a pro-choice government.
Choice for everyone except the unborn child you killed.

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#228135 Apr 1, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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First, you're a judge of morality.
Then you claim to know more about law that most of us?
Now you're a mental health expert?
What's next? walking on water?
The more you post, the more ridiculous you become.
More about law than you.

That's painfully obvious.

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#228136 Apr 1, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Keep trolling. I haven't lost anything. In fact, the ground we've gained prevents you from killing more unborn children with every passing year.
Nothing will ever prevent me from having an abortion. You know full well that even if it were illegal, I could easily take a concoction that would induce a miscarriage and voila - abortion. The government will never be able to stop women from having abortions. Sorry that you think otherwise, but it's obvious you don't spend a lot of time thinking.

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#228137 Apr 1, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Nothing will ever prevent me from having an abortion. You know full well that even if it were illegal, I could easily take a concoction that would induce a miscarriage and voila - abortion. The government will never be able to stop women from having abortions. Sorry that you think otherwise, but it's obvious you don't spend a lot of time thinking.
Of course not. Nothing will ever stop people from murdering each other. That doesn't mean it should be legal or that it isn't a violation of the unborn child's rights. I've never claimed that they'd be able to stop it, only that they can make it illegal and prosecute those doctors and mothers who kill their unborn children.

Comprehension isn't your strong suit.

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#228138 Apr 1, 2013
Interesting to note you ignored that I proved you wrong.

Again.

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Since: May 11

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#228139 Apr 1, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Sadly, you aren't even smart enough to recognize how stupid this statement is. You don't need to bring a lawsuit to have rights. The state, or anyone else, can bring a lawsuit or charge someone with a crime.
Some states, such as Virginia, have laws on the books that allow parents to sue for the wrongful death or murder of an unborn baby.
Ooops. Imagine that. I've proven you wrong.
Again.
this literally made me laugh out loud. You idiot. The ability for parents to sue for the wrongful death of their fetus is a violation of THEIR right to not have someone else terminate their fetus against their will. This makes the fetus a victim and the laws do not exist to represent any rights of the fetus. Most legislation fails because it would cause a legal distinction between a woman and her fetus. This distinction causes a slippery slope which then violates a woman's civil rights. You obviously don't know the law very well or what you're reading is completely inaccurate.

And I've looked into a lot of the states' fetal homicide laws. Most of them specifically state that charges cannot be brought if the fetus is terminated during a legal abortion. Others only allow fetal homicide to be charged if the fetus is of a certain "age." Others, such as Colorado and Maryland, only specifies that a person can be charged with fetal homicide if the person knew the woman was pregnant beforehand.

So, while you say a fetus has "rights" it seems that most states have provisions that make sure that a fetal death that occurs during an abortion is not subject to any legal action.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

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#228140 Apr 1, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Choice for everyone except the unborn child you killed.
Except I've never killed a child. Killing a child results in incarceration. I'm not incarcerated. That is basic logic. You've obviously not been college educated or taken logic.

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Since: May 11

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#228141 Apr 1, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Of course not. Nothing will ever stop people from murdering each other. That doesn't mean it should be legal or that it isn't a violation of the unborn child's rights. I've never claimed that they'd be able to stop it, only that they can make it illegal and prosecute those doctors and mothers who kill their unborn children.
Comprehension isn't your strong suit.
A. You have on numerous occasions made statements that have said "you will not be able to kill your unborn children." Obviously you don't even keep track of what you've said on here.

B. A woman doesn't need a doctor to have an abortion. Women will never be prosecuted for having an abortion. They're releasing killers and rapists because jails are overcrowded and you think they'll really start putting women in jail for having abortion?!?! That really is laughable. My goodness you are really reaching. The desperation is so obvious.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

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#228142 Apr 1, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
Interesting to note you ignored that I proved you wrong.
Again.
Answer my question about your wife. Don't think it isn't obvious that you've "overlooked" that part. So go ahead, give us an answer. We'll wait.

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#228143 Apr 1, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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this literally made me laugh out loud. You idiot. The ability for parents to sue for the wrongful death of their fetus is a violation of THEIR right to not have someone else terminate their fetus against their will. This makes the fetus a victim and the laws do not exist to represent any rights of the fetus. Most legislation fails because it would cause a legal distinction between a woman and her fetus. This distinction causes a slippery slope which then violates a woman's civil rights. You obviously don't know the law very well or what you're reading is completely inaccurate.
And I've looked into a lot of the states' fetal homicide laws. Most of them specifically state that charges cannot be brought if the fetus is terminated during a legal abortion. Others only allow fetal homicide to be charged if the fetus is of a certain "age." Others, such as Colorado and Maryland, only specifies that a person can be charged with fetal homicide if the person knew the woman was pregnant beforehand.
So, while you say a fetus has "rights" it seems that most states have provisions that make sure that a fetal death that occurs during an abortion is not subject to any legal action.
Are you seriously that dense? Really. Using your logic, a person could never be convicted of murder in the death of a fetus then, right? Oops. You lose again.

38 states have fetal homicide laws. 38. 23 of them allow for the charge even in the earliest stage of gestation.

You're really trolling hard, you just aren't very good at it.

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#228144 Apr 1, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Except I've never killed a child. Killing a child results in incarceration. I'm not incarcerated. That is basic logic. You've obviously not been college educated or taken logic.
Right. Because every death results in incarceration.

Ooops. Wrong again. This is pretty common for you.

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#228145 Apr 1, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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A. You have on numerous occasions made statements that have said "you will not be able to kill your unborn children." Obviously you don't even keep track of what you've said on here.
B. A woman doesn't need a doctor to have an abortion. Women will never be prosecuted for having an abortion. They're releasing killers and rapists because jails are overcrowded and you think they'll really start putting women in jail for having abortion?!?! That really is laughable. My goodness you are really reaching. The desperation is so obvious.
Sad that speaking out against the killing of unborn children is called "desperation". It takes a special kind of mental illness to kill your unborn child then defend it.

Pretty sick.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#228146 Apr 1, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Are you seriously that dense? Really. Using your logic, a person could never be convicted of murder in the death of a fetus then, right? Oops. You lose again.
38 states have fetal homicide laws. 38. 23 of them allow for the charge even in the earliest stage of gestation.
You're really trolling hard, you just aren't very good at it.
You haven't refuted anything I've said. I didn't say people couldn't be convicted of causing the death of a fetus. I did say that the majority of those 38 states have laws that say that if the death occurs during an abortion, no legal charges can exist. Learn. To. Read.

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Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#228147 Apr 1, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Right. Because every death results in incarceration.
Ooops. Wrong again. This is pretty common for you.
Now you're really reaching...lol. I love watching your desperation. Trying so hard and getting nowhere! My abortion is a part of my medial record. In fact, I can go to my local police station and say I've had an abortion. I would not be arrested. If I had murdered a child and did the same thing, I would be arrested. You obviously are too stupid to understand that women are not arrested for abortion. Why? Because they aren't killing a child. That is homicide.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#228148 Apr 1, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Sad that speaking out against the killing of unborn children is called "desperation". It takes a special kind of mental illness to kill your unborn child then defend it.
Pretty sick.
You're not speaking out against anything. You're just trying to prove that you're right and I'm wrong. And you're failing miserably. You can't refute anything I've posted. Not one thing. When you prove that I've killed any child, I will patiently listen to your explanation.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#228149 Apr 1, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Sad that speaking out against the killing of unborn children is called "desperation". It takes a special kind of mental illness to kill your unborn child then defend it.
Pretty sick.
Third time I've asked you to answer the question about if your wife was pregnant and had a blood infection and her doctor told her if she didn't have an abortion she would die. Would you tell your wife not to have the abortion? Would you rather she die? Why won't you answer this question? I know you've read it twice before.

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