There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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#227985 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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They won't stop, but once uncovered they will be prosecuted.
Have you applied for the position of 'womb inspector' under the new regime yet, dear?

Shall I start mailing you my menstrual pads every month, so that you can ascertain whether or not they contain a fertilized ovum or two?

I have a box, and I'll line it with plastic wrap - what's your address??

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#227986 Mar 31, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>Your post is too ironic and full of deflection at others, you've just really described yourself, you profess to stand on women's rights but you hate them yourself, not I, because you lack the character and concern as well as the wisdom to stir them toward the right direction of chosing life for their unborn, how pitiful you truly are.
lol...okay then. I don't think any woman should be forced to have a child she does not want or cannot care for. I'm not interested in subjugating women the way you are.

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#227987 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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You keep saying things will soon change. You've been saying this for a while, yet nothing has changed. It won't change. It hasn't changed. The fetus does not have rights. I stand by that statement. If a fetus dies within a woman's womb through no fault of her own, there is sometimes a charge of fetal homicide. This is largely a state-by-state decision. That charge is more for the woman's benefit than the fetus'. The fetus does not have any rights. It is not issued any power whatsoever by the law.
Things HAVE changed, and they continue to.

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#227988 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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You didn't show anything. The fetus still doesn't have rights.
Yeah. Except for the fact that I provided specific examples that show they do.

Jennifer Johnson
Cornelia Whitner
Melissa Ann Rowland

Just three examples of women prosecuted for violating the rights of the fetus.

Ooops. Looks like you're wrong.

Again.

Since: Apr 12

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#227989 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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We've already gone over this and I have proven that there is no way of distinguishing between a miscarriage and an abortion. You seem to hold a lot of hope in what you "think" might happen. Your estrangement from reality is alarming.
You've proven nothing. Saying you've proven it isn't the same thing as actually proving it.

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#227990 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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lol...okay then. I don't think any woman should be forced to have a child she does not want or cannot care for. I'm not interested in subjugating women the way you are.
Women shouldn't be forced to have a child. They should be forced to care for a life once they've created it, though.

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#227991 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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False. This shows you don't even have a basic understanding of law. It also shows you can't read, since I've posted specific examples to support my statement.
http://www.lawnix.com/cases/roe-wade.html

Holding and Rule (Blackmun)

Yes. State criminal abortion laws that except from criminality only life-saving procedures on the mother’s behalf, and that do not take into consideration the stage of pregnancy and other interests, are unconstitutional for violating the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Yes. The Due Process Clause protects the right to privacy, including a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy, against state action.
Yes. Though a state cannot completely deny a woman the right to terminate her pregnancy, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman’s health and the potentiality of human life at various stages of pregnancy.
No. The natural termination of Roe’s pregnancy did not render her suit moot.
Yes. The district court was correct in denying injunctive relief.

Game, set, match

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Since: Jul 12

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#227992 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Women shouldn't be forced to have a child. They should be forced to care for a life once they've created it, though.
I completely disagree. No one can be "forced to care" by law. If you truly believe that will work, or even that it should be considered, you are utterly ignorant of human nature.

Women must retain our right to medical autonomy, personal risk assessment, and self-defense. Abortion is a medical procedure, which alleviates many risks of permanent injury, debilitating disease, and death. It won't be denied to women, no matter how many times you say it should be, and the primary thing more restrictions against it accomplish, is misery. For this reason, and a myriad of others, I consider your stance to be shortsighted, sadistic, and reprehensible.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#227993 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Things HAVE changed, and they continue to.
Abortion is still legal. So, they haven't changed. Women will still have abortions. There will never be a way of stopping women from doing what they want with their bodies.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#227994 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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You've proven nothing. Saying you've proven it isn't the same thing as actually proving it.
Ah, the good old "go-to" statement you make when you've got nothing else. Typical.

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Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#227995 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Women shouldn't be forced to have a child. They should be forced to care for a life once they've created it, though.
When they carry a pregnancy to full term and decide to keep the baby, yep, I agree.

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Since: Jul 12

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#227996 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Ah, the good old "go-to" statement you make when you've got nothing else. Typical.
Somebody reset the needle...it's skipping again...
Lily the Aborter

Chandler, AZ

#227997 Mar 31, 2013
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>Yes you can. I had two friends who were thinking about abortion,I talked to them from my heart and just told them think about what you are doing. I told them there was help out there for women who find themselves pregnant. I sought out the places here in town and they went to these places and I am happy to say they carried those babies to term and both are doing very well. They got help. One is married now with 3 children,I keep in touch with her and she has told me more than once she is so happy she had this little boy. Every now and then I go to a pantry and get diapers and one pantry has clothes I have taken to her.I do what I can,I do wish I could do more.
So you stuck your nose in something that was none of your business. Why am I not surprised?
Why don't we sit down and discuss your choice of contraception since your personal reproductive choices are EVERYONE'S business? DA
Lily the Aborter

Chandler, AZ

#227998 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Abortion is still legal. So, they haven't changed. Women will still have abortions. There will never be a way of stopping women from doing what they want with their bodies.
And Grunt will never have to risk his health or life trying to carry a pregnancy to term. That is why he has the opinion that women should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term and forced to raise a child she never wanted..because it will never be him in that position.

It's always easy to judge when you know it can never happen to you.

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#227999 Mar 31, 2013
Lily the Aborter wrote:
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And Grunt will never have to risk his health or life trying to carry a pregnancy to term. That is why he has the opinion that women should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term and forced to raise a child she never wanted..because it will never be him in that position.
It's always easy to judge when you know it can never happen to you.
'He' claims to have gestated three times.

Since: Apr 12

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#228000 Mar 31, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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http://www.lawnix.com/cases/roe-wade.html
Holding and Rule (Blackmun)
Yes. State criminal abortion laws that except from criminality only life-saving procedures on the mother’s behalf, and that do not take into consideration the stage of pregnancy and other interests, are unconstitutional for violating the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.
Yes. The Due Process Clause protects the right to privacy, including a woman’s right to terminate her pregnancy, against state action.
Yes. Though a state cannot completely deny a woman the right to terminate her pregnancy, it has legitimate interests in protecting both the pregnant woman’s health and the potentiality of human life at various stages of pregnancy.
No. The natural termination of Roe’s pregnancy did not render her suit moot.
Yes. The district court was correct in denying injunctive relief.
Game, set, match
There are few things funnier than watching someone google and cite law that they don't understand.
Golf clap for your google-foo
Chuckle for your inability to understand hat his doesn't even address come chain pure addressing. In our original statement that I replied to, which you quoted, you stated "the UNITED STAES, you know that country we live in.....bla blah blah woman's privacy after sex"
While your response sounds great to a retard, it in fact ignores he DECADES of restrictions on abortion and rights given to the fetus which have developed since.
As I have stated, and supported, a woman's freedom to kill her unborn child has been, and will continue to be, resticted o the point of impossibility.
Game.
Set.
Match.

Since: Apr 12

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#228001 Mar 31, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>I completely disagree. No one can be "forced to care" by law. If you truly believe that will work, or even that it should be considered, you are utterly ignorant of human nature.
Women must retain our right to medical autonomy, personal risk assessment, and self-defense. Abortion is a medical procedure, which alleviates many risks of permanent injury, debilitating disease, and death. It won't be denied to women, no matter how many times you say it should be, and the primary thing more restrictions against it accomplish, is misery. For this reason, and a myriad of others, I consider your stance to be shortsighted, sadistic, and reprehensible.
Of course you disagree. You have no concept of personal responsibility. I don't expect that level of understanding from ANYONE who still thinks its OK to kill unborn children because here inconvenient.

Since: Apr 12

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#228002 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Abortion is still legal. So, they haven't changed. Women will still have abortions. There will never be a way of stopping women from doing what they want with their bodies.
Your obtuse statement intentionally fails to recognize that's while killing unborn children may be legal, it's becoming more restrictive every year.

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#228003 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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lol...okay then. I don't think any woman should be forced to have a child she does not want or cannot care for. I'm not interested in subjugating women the way you are.
No you are interested only in allowing them to become murderers of their unborn by way of not taking any responsibility.

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#228004 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Your obtuse statement intentionally fails to recognize that's while killing unborn children may be legal, it's becoming more restrictive every year.
Sure, a lot of places TRY to restrict women's options, but none of them have been able to stick. It's still possible to get an abortion in this country. If I wanted to get one right now, I could with no problem.

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