There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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#227964 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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I have no interest in the reproductive rights of others. Reproduce, or not, as often as old like. Just assume responsibility or the life you create.
Fine. If I become pregnant with a fetus I don't care to gestate, I'll responsibly terminate the pregnancy.

Problem solved.

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#227965 Mar 31, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Fine. If I become pregnant with a fetus I don't care to gestate, I'll responsibly terminate the pregnancy.
Problem solved.
Sure. It's currently legal for you to kill that unborn child. The restrictions on that grow stronger every year, and it won't be long before it will no longer to be legal.

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#227967 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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I did. Keep reading.
The only thing you "proved" was that you have an opinion. There was nothing legal in what you stated.

As for morals, they are subjective and have no bearing on this decision except for the person involved.

The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, you know, the country you live in? says it is LEGAL for a woman to retain her privacy after having sex and to have autonomy over her body. That includes having an abortion if she doesn't wish to remain pregnant.

Game, set, match.

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#227968 Mar 31, 2013
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>Of course I would still be their friend,friends hang in there during the bad times also.Maybe I wouldn't agree with what they did but I wouldn't turn my back on them.A long time ago I posted about one of my friends who had an abortion,I took care of her,cried with her. She went through alot of guilt over what she had done and shortly after that she committed suicide.I miss her so much.
RIP Kathy.
Glad you wouldn't turn your back on someone.

I'm sorry to hear about your friend, but I would probably guess her abortion wasn't the sole factor in her suicide. I've unfortunately had many friends commit suicide as well. There wasn't one of them that I didn't see it coming or was taken off guard. Suicide is usually committed by people who have been thinking of the act for years. It's sad and so pointless.

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#227969 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Nothing? Wish I could say that was unusual. Even your unintelligent cohort realizes you stated no argument to respond to.
If you say so. Really it's just not worth talking to you because you don't offer civilized discourse. You just become juvenile and repeat the same crap over and over such as your "saying it's ___ isn't the same as it being ____." That's not an argument.

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#227970 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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We will, eventually.
You will eventually stop griping? Good.

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#227971 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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You stand by a misleading an ignorant statement? That's one solid argument.
You specifically stated a fetus has no rights. I provided specific examples that showed you're wrong.
Repeating a falsehood doesn't make it fact.
And you can't disprove what I've said. You know full well that if I were pregnant and smoking, I would not be arrested for endangering the fetus within. That is a fact. If I gave a minor a cigarette, I would be arrested. How many times do I have to repeat this? A woman has autonomy over her body.

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#227972 Mar 31, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>That was established with ol'Mpnf1979 long ago, you are just one of the few intelligent enough to see it
And yet he nor you are able to deny the truth of my statement. Funny. Neither one of you are very smart. Both of you are just angry people who hate the women are allowed to make their own decisions regardless of what you think.

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#227973 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Sure. It's currently legal for you to kill that unborn child. The restrictions on that grow stronger every year, and it won't be long before it will no longer to be legal.
Legal or not, abortions won't stop. And they won't be prosecuted. The right seems to think gun control won't stop violent crimes committed with guns but they think abortion restrictions will stop abortions. Shows how smart they aren't.

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#227974 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Sure. It's currently legal for you to kill that unborn child. The restrictions on that grow stronger every year, and it won't be long before it will no longer to be legal.
Abortion in America will not be outlawed. Too many women recognize that laws against it are not in our best interests, and will fight for our bodily autonomy, regardless of the opinions of folks who would happily send us back to the days of back-alleys and filthy kitchen tables. Criminalizing abortion is not a pro-life idea - it is merely punitive, stupid, and pointless.

Politicians who vote the restrictions in, are being summarily ignored at the polls, too.

What have you heard from Todd Akin lately?

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#227975 Mar 31, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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The only thing you "proved" was that you have an opinion. There was nothing legal in what you stated.
As for morals, they are subjective and have no bearing on this decision except for the person involved.
The UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, you know, the country you live in? says it is LEGAL for a woman to retain her privacy after having sex and to have autonomy over her body. That includes having an abortion if she doesn't wish to remain pregnant.
Game, set, match.
False. This shows you don't even have a basic understanding of law. It also shows you can't read, since I've posted specific examples to support my statement.

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#227976 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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And you can't disprove what I've said. You know full well that if I were pregnant and smoking, I would not be arrested for endangering the fetus within. That is a fact. If I gave a minor a cigarette, I would be arrested. How many times do I have to repeat this? A woman has autonomy over her body.
Sure. That's just half of what you said, and I don't dispute it. That will soon change, though. That statement was made by you to support your other statement, which you now conveniently ignore, that a fetus doesn't have rights.

That's a false statement, like just about everything else you've posted.

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#227977 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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And yet he nor you are able to deny the truth of my statement. Funny. Neither one of you are very smart. Both of you are just angry people who hate the women are allowed to make their own decisions regardless of what you think.
Saying I didn't establish that you were incorrect is another falsehood.

You specifically said a fetus leant have rights. I provided specific examples that showed you were wrong.

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#227978 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Legal or not, abortions won't stop. And they won't be prosecuted. The right seems to think gun control won't stop violent crimes committed with guns but they think abortion restrictions will stop abortions. Shows how smart they aren't.
They won't stop, but once uncovered they will be prosecuted.

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#227979 Mar 31, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Abortion in America will not be outlawed. Too many women recognize that laws against it are not in our best interests, and will fight for our bodily autonomy, regardless of the opinions of folks who would happily send us back to the days of back-alleys and filthy kitchen tables. Criminalizing abortion is not a pro-life idea - it is merely punitive, stupid, and pointless.
Politicians who vote the restrictions in, are being summarily ignored at the polls, too.
What have you heard from Todd Akin lately?
Yes it will

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#227980 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Sure. That's just half of what you said, and I don't dispute it. That will soon change, though. That statement was made by you to support your other statement, which you now conveniently ignore, that a fetus doesn't have rights.
That's a false statement, like just about everything else you've posted.
You keep saying things will soon change. You've been saying this for a while, yet nothing has changed. It won't change. It hasn't changed. The fetus does not have rights. I stand by that statement. If a fetus dies within a woman's womb through no fault of her own, there is sometimes a charge of fetal homicide. This is largely a state-by-state decision. That charge is more for the woman's benefit than the fetus'. The fetus does not have any rights. It is not issued any power whatsoever by the law.

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#227981 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Saying I didn't establish that you were incorrect is another falsehood.
You specifically said a fetus leant have rights. I provided specific examples that showed you were wrong.
You didn't show anything. The fetus still doesn't have rights.

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#227982 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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They won't stop, but once uncovered they will be prosecuted.
We've already gone over this and I have proven that there is no way of distinguishing between a miscarriage and an abortion. You seem to hold a lot of hope in what you "think" might happen. Your estrangement from reality is alarming.

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#227983 Mar 31, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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And yet he nor you are able to deny the truth of my statement. Funny. Neither one of you are very smart. Both of you are just angry people who hate the women are allowed to make their own decisions regardless of what you think.
Your post is too ironic and full of deflection at others, you've just really described yourself, you profess to stand on women's rights but you hate them yourself, not I, because you lack the character and concern as well as the wisdom to stir them toward the right direction of chosing life for their unborn, how pitiful you truly are.

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#227984 Mar 31, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Yes it will
Saying "it will" does not mean that it will.

It hasn't. That's the important thing.

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