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#227891 Mar 29, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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It's not just her body. The body she's killing belongs to he life she chose to create.
No. It is HER body and hers alone.

And birth control fails.

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#227892 Mar 29, 2013
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On what day does a fetus become able to live outside the womb, and what is that relevance?
The fetus becomes able to live outside the womb, the day it lives outside the womb for the first time.

2/3rds of ALL fetuses never get to live outside the womb, most of which are miscarried for whatever reason 'God' decides they aren't viable.

Are you seriously trying to say that an invisible, though supposedly 'omnipotent', entity, should be awarded legal precedent over a living, breathing, fully cognizant, ACTUAL woman's already legal CHOICE?

Seems you only care to apply that theory to the fetuses it kills.

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Bambi

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#227893 Mar 29, 2013
Currently legal or not, abortion is murder.

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#227894 Mar 29, 2013
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Right. So the obvious answer is "kill the baby". If my wife and I lose our job now, does that mean we should be able to kill our kids?
Wait. So it's ok to kill them if they weren't planned.
Got it.
Unbelievable.
It would be hunky-dory with me if I were allowed to eliminate your line from the planet. Fortunately for you, you were born...so that's not allowed.

Get it?

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#227895 Mar 30, 2013
Bambi wrote:
Currently legal or not, abortion is murder.
If you know of anyone 'murdering babies', you are a coward if you haven't reported these people to the nearest available law enforcement personnel.

What - you're still here?
Puking up your outrage on an internet forum, ain't gonna save dem bebbies.

Get crack-a-lackin....lives are in the balance here. Make the call!!!

Next...

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#227896 Mar 30, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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Define "long."
1/2 an inch? 1 inch? 6 inches?
I'll go with the Tootsie Pop Owl's verdict: 1...2...3.

Three.
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#227897 Mar 30, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Can I ask you a question without you getting juvenile and resorting to name-calling? What do you do to prevent abortions and the women who decide to remain pregnant and have their child despite financial hardships or whatever, how do you help them?
I'm just wondering because you seem to be so adamant that abortion is an evil, I'm assuming you are very proactive in helping those who turn away from abortion, right?
Yes you can. I had two friends who were thinking about abortion,I talked to them from my heart and just told them think about what you are doing. I told them there was help out there for women who find themselves pregnant. I sought out the places here in town and they went to these places and I am happy to say they carried those babies to term and both are doing very well. They got help. One is married now with 3 children,I keep in touch with her and she has told me more than once she is so happy she had this little boy. Every now and then I go to a pantry and get diapers and one pantry has clothes I have taken to her.I do what I can,I do wish I could do more.

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Since: May 12

Regina

#227898 Mar 30, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>If you continue to insist that she have a child, instead of a legal medical procedure to prevent one, yes.
Abortion is a responsible decision for women who become pregnant, without the desire, financial wherewithal, and/or fortitude, to become mothers.
Why would anyone want a woman who knows she'd be a terrible mother, to become one??
Her body, her responsibility, HER CHOICE.
Two quick questions. 1)Do you live in the US? 2)If so, are elective aboritons paid out of pocket or are they covered by some form of health/medical insurance?

The reason I ask is because I have an issue with women making the claim it's their body, responsibility, choice etc, and then in far too many cases, at least where I live, everyone else gets to pony up for it, no matter the choice.

My solution is to allow one elective freebie. Everyone makes mistakes, some bigger than others, and birth control isn't always 100% effective.
HOWEVER...any abortions after that would require the individual to sign a waiver BEFORE the procedure giving permission for themselves to be "fixed" after the procedure.
If they don't want to sign, then they get pay for the abortion themselves.
I don't have a moral objection to abortion per se, I DO have a moral objection when it becomes an "Oh shit, not again!" method of birth control.

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#227899 Mar 30, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
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Two quick questions. 1)Do you live in the US? 2)If so, are elective aboritons paid out of pocket or are they covered by some form of health/medical insurance?
The reason I ask is because I have an issue with women making the claim it's their body, responsibility, choice etc, and then in far too many cases, at least where I live, everyone else gets to pony up for it, no matter the choice.
My solution is to allow one elective freebie. Everyone makes mistakes, some bigger than others, and birth control isn't always 100% effective.
HOWEVER...any abortions after that would require the individual to sign a waiver BEFORE the procedure giving permission for themselves to be "fixed" after the procedure.
If they don't want to sign, then they get pay for the abortion themselves.
I don't have a moral objection to abortion per se, I DO have a moral objection when it becomes an "Oh shit, not again!" method of birth control.
How do you feel about paying for drug treatment for drug addicts? Alcohol treatment for alcoholics? Mental treatment for people who try suicide? Cancer care for smokers?

We ALl pay for those things,in one form or another. And ultimately, if a woman does have a child and be unable to care for it, YOU are helping to support the child, or that child's children via welfare, social programs, jail, or whatever gov't source ends up supporting them.

I don't drink, smoke, or use illegal drugs; yet I pay for treatment every time I pay my taxes. I don't get to determine what my taxes go for, and neither do you.

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#227900 Mar 30, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
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Two quick questions. 1)Do you live in the US? 2)If so, are elective aboritons paid out of pocket or are they covered by some form of health/medical insurance?
The reason I ask is because I have an issue with women making the claim it's their body, responsibility, choice etc, and then in far too many cases, at least where I live, everyone else gets to pony up for it, no matter the choice.
My solution is to allow one elective freebie. Everyone makes mistakes, some bigger than others, and birth control isn't always 100% effective.
HOWEVER...any abortions after that would require the individual to sign a waiver BEFORE the procedure giving permission for themselves to be "fixed" after the procedure.
If they don't want to sign, then they get pay for the abortion themselves.
I don't have a moral objection to abortion per se, I DO have a moral objection when it becomes an "Oh shit, not again!" method of birth control.
Does this 'permission to sterilize' waiver apply to both parties, or just to the female? I mean, I'm fine with voluntary sterilization... in fact I think it should be available to all who are either menstruating or have had at least one hard on...but the 'voluntary' part is key.

Otherwise, it's just one more measure of control, targeting women and not their sexual partners. If we're going to penalize women for getting 'serially pregnant', let us also penalize the serial impregnators.

Doesn't sound like such a grand scheme now, eh?

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#227901 Mar 30, 2013
Whisgean Zoda wrote:
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Two quick questions. 1)Do you live in the US? 2)If so, are elective aboritons paid out of pocket or are they covered by some form of health/medical insurance?
My apologies for not having answered the questions above.
1) Yes.
2) I've never had medical insurance, since I left home at 17 and was removed from my mother's policy. The one abortion I had, for an ectopic pregnancy, I paid for in cash. It wasn't cheap, but neither is my life, so in my humble opinion, it was worth every penny.

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#227902 Mar 30, 2013
And just for the record, every abortion performed in the USA, is elective. There is no law, in any state, which requires any woman to obtain an abortion for any reason whatsoever - even if her life is endangered by the fetus she carries. Mine was no exception. I was assured to my complete satisfaction that the options I had included gestation - it's just that I wouldn't have lived to gestate anyone. Which rather rules out natural delivery...and a 3 week Caesarian section would also have been somewhat futile.

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#227903 Mar 30, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>If consent to sex was consent to pregnancy, a whole helluva lot of men would have a permanent case of the blue balls.
What color are yours?
Since you assume the right to tell me whether or not I am 'moral' according to my reproductive and sexual choices, I'll assume the right to ask you what color your balls are.
I'm guessing they're pink, hairy, and shriveled.
Next...
I know I'm right when you abandon your argument, stomp your feet, and call names.

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#227904 Mar 30, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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No. It is HER body and hers alone.
And birth control fails.
That's an absolutely false statement both legally and morally.

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#227905 Mar 30, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>The fetus becomes able to live outside the womb, the day it lives outside the womb for the first time.
2/3rds of ALL fetuses never get to live outside the womb, most of which are miscarried for whatever reason 'God' decides they aren't viable.
Are you seriously trying to say that an invisible, though supposedly 'omnipotent', entity, should be awarded legal precedent over a living, breathing, fully cognizant, ACTUAL woman's already legal CHOICE?
Seems you only care to apply that theory to the fetuses it kills.
Next...
When did I mention God? Why are you trying to bring a mystical figment of your imagination into a scientific discussion?

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#227906 Mar 30, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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I know I'm right when you abandon your argument, stomp your feet, and call names.
What names did I call you?

Abandon my argument? You ain't seen nothin' yet.

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#227907 Mar 30, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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That's an absolutely false statement both legally and morally.
Is it fun to be wrong every time you post a thought? You seem to have perfected the process, and I'm just curious.

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#227908 Mar 30, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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When did I mention God? Why are you trying to bring a mystical figment of your imagination into a scientific discussion?
I thought you might identify with a mystical imaginary being...you being so childlike and searching for answers, and such.

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Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#227910 Mar 30, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Right. So the obvious answer is "kill the baby". If my wife and I lose our job now, does that mean we should be able to kill our kids?
Wait. So it's ok to kill them if they weren't planned.
Got it.
Unbelievable.
I guess if you wanted to kill your kids, that would be a personal choice but I wouldn't recommend it. That would be murder. Abortion isn't murder.

Like I said, either you condone abortion or you stop griping about having to pay tax dollars that go toward caring for unwanted children. You decide. But you can't speak against abortion AND gripe about the underprivileged people who continue to have children despite not being able to afford them. If you do both, you're a hypocrite.

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Westerville, OH

#227911 Mar 30, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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It's not just her body. The body she's killing belongs to he life she chose to create.
Except she didn't choose to create life. Having sex is not choosing to create life.

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