There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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#227871 Mar 29, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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This question wasn't directed at you. And furthermore, there are things one can do that doesn't involve opening their own wallets.
So if you think people are irresponsible and you don't want to financially support them, you should be in favor of them having abortions. You're never going to stop unplanned pregnancies, so according to your logic, abortion makes sure you don't have to support "irresponsible" parents who have children.
I should be in favor of someone else killing a human so I won't have to support them?

I love liberal logic.

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#227872 Mar 29, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Right. Because it's my responsibility to support the children of the irresponsible.
If you continue to insist that she have a child, instead of a legal medical procedure to prevent one, yes.

Abortion is a responsible decision for women who become pregnant, without the desire, financial wherewithal, and/or fortitude, to become mothers.

Why would anyone want a woman who knows she'd be a terrible mother, to become one??

Her body, her responsibility, HER CHOICE.

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#227873 Mar 29, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>If you continue to insist that she have a child, instead of a legal medical procedure to prevent one, yes.
Abortion is a responsible decision for women who become pregnant, without the desire, financial wherewithal, and/or fortitude, to become mothers.
Why would anyone want a woman who knows she'd be a terrible mother, to become one??
Her body, her responsibility, HER CHOICE.
I don't insist she create life. I insist she be responsible for the life she creates.

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#227874 Mar 29, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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I don't insist she create life. I insist she be responsible for the life she creates.
Abortion IS a responsible choice, for a woman who does not want to be a mother, or risk her life and health to become one...and who chooses to abort her pregnancy.

And let's remember, not all procreative sex is consensual...but what do you care, right?

You don't get to define 'responsible' for anyone but yourself.
You don't get to define 'convenience' for anyone but yourself.
You don't get to tell anyone to stop having sex, except for yourself.
And you don't get to control anyone's reproductive system, except for your own.

Sorry if those facts chap your ass....but not very.

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#227875 Mar 29, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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I should be in favor of someone else killing a human so I won't have to support them?
I love liberal logic.
No, that's your logic. You can't have it both ways. People are not going to stop having sex. They're not going to stop having unplanned pregnancies arise. That's a fact. So, you have two choices. You can with submit yourself to the idea that you may have to take some part in caring for these children through welfare, WIC, etc. OR you can say that your money is more important to you and your convictions are strong enough that you do not want to support unwanted children, therefore you are in favor of abortion.

It sounds to me like you need to just submit to the idea that you're going to have to have your tax dollars used.

However, that was not the original question I proposed to LIP.

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#227876 Mar 29, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Abortion IS a responsible choice, for a woman who does not want to be a mother, or risk her life and health to become one...and who chooses to abort her pregnancy.
And let's remember, not all procreative sex is consensual...but what do you care, right?
You don't get to define 'responsible' for anyone but yourself.
You don't get to define 'convenience' for anyone but yourself.
You don't get to tell anyone to stop having sex, except for yourself.
And you don't get to control anyone's reproductive system, except for your own.
Sorry if those facts chap your ass....but not very.
I get it. You think killing children you don't want is responsible. I don't.

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#227877 Mar 29, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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I don't insist she create life. I insist she be responsible for the life she creates.
And how does one become "responsible" over night? How does someone who say, only has a high school education and limited skills find a $50k/year job and also make sure she only has to work one job because she may be a single mother with no support system. And don't say not get pregnant, because we already know that's not going to stop happening. The world is filled with people who were a result of an unplanned pregnancy.

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#227878 Mar 29, 2013
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>You are delusional.
I'm not the one with a fascination for another woman's reproductive decisions.

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#227879 Mar 29, 2013
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>And there are alot of women who didn't think they wanted that chid but once born fell in love with that baby and are great mothers.
And there are a lot of women who had the child and resented it for existing.

What's your point?

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#227880 Mar 29, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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I get it. You think killing children you don't want is responsible. I don't.
Then I strongly suggest you never EVER contemplate, seek, or obtain an abortion.

I'll make my own reproductive decisions, without your interference, and I kindly encourage you to make yours without mine.

Problem solved.

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#227881 Mar 29, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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And how does one become "responsible" over night? How does someone who say, only has a high school education and limited skills find a $50k/year job and also make sure she only has to work one job because she may be a single mother with no support system. And don't say not get pregnant, because we already know that's not going to stop happening. The world is filled with people who were a result of an unplanned pregnancy.
Right. So the obvious answer is "kill the baby". If my wife and I lose our job now, does that mean we should be able to kill our kids?

Wait. So it's ok to kill them if they weren't planned.

Got it.

Unbelievable.

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#227882 Mar 29, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Then I strongly suggest you never EVER contemplate, seek, or obtain an abortion.
I'll make my own reproductive decisions, without your interference, and I kindly encourage you to make yours without mine.
Problem solved.
Problem solved for you. Not for the poor kid you killed, though.

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#227883 Mar 29, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Right. So the obvious answer is "kill the baby". If my wife and I lose our job now, does that mean we should be able to kill our kids?
Wait. So it's ok to kill them if they weren't planned.
Got it.
Unbelievable.
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Unbelievable that you idiots constantly refer to killing living human beings versus a less than 3 month gestation z/e/f that cannot possibly live outside the uterus.

Your constant refusal to address that difference only shows your innate inability to have a logical, reasoned argument.

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#227884 Mar 29, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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Unbelievable that you idiots constantly refer to killing living human beings versus a less than 3 month gestation z/e/f that cannot possibly live outside the uterus.
Your constant refusal to address that difference only shows your innate inability to have a logical, reasoned argument.
On what day does a fetus become able to live outside the womb, and what is that relevance?

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#227885 Mar 29, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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On what day does a fetus become able to live outside the womb, and what is that relevance?
It's different days for different fetuses. There is no one specific day that each and every fetus is viable.

That is relevant because each woman has a right to autonomy over her body and is not subservient to a z/e/f that is dependent upon her body to survive.

You know these things.

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#227886 Mar 29, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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It's different days for different fetuses. There is no one specific day that each and every fetus is viable.
That is relevant because each woman has a right to autonomy over her body and is not subservient to a z/e/f that is dependent upon her body to survive.
You know these things.
It's not just her body. The body she's killing belongs to he life she chose to create.

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#227887 Mar 29, 2013
I see the clueless people are still here. Don't you have lives?

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#227888 Mar 29, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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Problem solved for you. Not for the poor kid you killed, though.
The 'poor kid I killed' was an ectopic pregnancy. My OB/GYN told me I had the right to continue the pregnancy, but that it would likely kill me in 72 hours if I decided on that course of action.
I decided against it, had an abortion, and lived to lose 4 more pregnancies to miscarriage, and to give birth to two sons, whom I adore, raised to adulthood, and will cherish always...
With how many children have you been pregnant?
Currently, all proposed 'Personhood' legislation before the US Congress, fails to provide for my situation. Rather specifically, in that it does not mention 'life of the mother' anywhere.
Read it. I have.
Fuck you.

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#227890 Mar 29, 2013
Or perhaps a light aubergine. Yeah....it's probably been awhile since one of those skanks you beat off to actually let you touch it. So, maybe not so pink.

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#227891 Mar 29, 2013
Grunt56 wrote:
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It's not just her body. The body she's killing belongs to he life she chose to create.
No. It is HER body and hers alone.

And birth control fails.

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