There is Everything Wrong with Abortion
LightForce

Rockford, MI

#227373 Mar 3, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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Amen to that; though I mentioned fundies precisely for the reason that they are famous for disregarding the plight of others in favour of their views.
Most people have some fundamental beliefs no matter what their religious beliefs are. I agree that most fundamental beliefs are probably based on the wrong precepts, but you would have to point out to me where the foundational precept of “thou shalt not kill” is wrong. I agree that sometimes a choice has to be made when it is the choice to save one human life over another, but I can't see the need to kill a human life when that choice is not imperative to saving the life of another. The choice is an ethical and moral one, and you could also say that it is based on the law of “cause and effect”, in that an immoral foundation won't hold a moral house.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#227374 Mar 3, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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Most people have some fundamental beliefs no matter what their religious beliefs are. I agree that most fundamental beliefs are probably based on the wrong precepts, but you would have to point out to me where the foundational precept of “thou shalt not kill” is wrong. I agree that sometimes a choice has to be made when it is the choice to save one human life over another, but I can't see the need to kill a human life when that choice is not imperative to saving the life of another. The choice is an ethical and moral one, and you could also say that it is based on the law of “cause and effect”, in that an immoral foundation won't hold a moral house.
The problem with this argument is that not all people share the definition of "save" and "imperative." What one person deems imperative is not necessarily what you would. What one person would need saving from isn't necessarily something you think they should feel need saving from. Morality is, was and never will be black or white. Morals are often vary due to upbringing, cultural norms and personal expectations of oneself.
The Expert

Redding, CA

#227375 Mar 3, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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The problem with this argument is that not all people share the definition of "save" and "imperative." What one person deems imperative is not necessarily what you would. What one person would need saving from isn't necessarily something you think they should feel need saving from. Morality is, was and never will be black or white. Morals are often vary due to upbringing, cultural norms and personal expectations of oneself.
The sexual mutilation of children is acceptable if one's moral belief allows it?

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#227376 Mar 3, 2013
LightForce wrote:
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Most people have some fundamental beliefs no matter what their religious beliefs are. I agree that most fundamental beliefs are probably based on the wrong precepts, but you would have to point out to me where the foundational precept of “thou shalt not kill” is wrong. I agree that sometimes a choice has to be made when it is the choice to save one human life over another, but I can't see the need to kill a human life when that choice is not imperative to saving the life of another. The choice is an ethical and moral one, and you could also say that it is based on the law of “cause and effect”, in that an immoral foundation won't hold a moral house.
MPNF put it perfectly; what is moral for you is not necessarily moral for me.

"saving the life of another" What does that entail? I chose abortion because I had two young sons 100% dependent upon me. I felt their lives were more important; therefore I was saving their emotional lives.

Until you've walked in those shoes, please don't pass judgment. It's a horrible choice to make, and each woman has a different reason for making it. You can't possibly understand.

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#227377 Mar 3, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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I'm always amused by their "go-to" answer of free will that they give when there's no other reasonable explanation. It's as if their heads might explode if they actually contemplate this.
many "christians" give "god" credit for helping them get an A on a test, or making a touchdown. "God" helped them do that.

But the same god won't prevent a child from being stabbed to death? Or raped? Or mutilated?

Really?

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#227378 Mar 3, 2013
The Expert wrote:
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The sexual mutilation of children is acceptable if one's moral belief allows it?
Circumcision is not only permissible, but social acceptable, is it not?
The Expert

Redding, CA

#227379 Mar 3, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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many "christians" give "god" credit for helping them get an A on a test, or making a touchdown. "God" helped them do that.
But the same god won't prevent a child from being stabbed to death? Or raped? Or mutilated?
Really?
Din't you just post, "what is moral for you is not necessarily moral for me."

Then why are you making a moral judgement that we should "prevent a child from being stabbed to death? Or raped? Or mutilated?"
The Expert

Redding, CA

#227380 Mar 3, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Circumcision is not only permissible, but social acceptable, is it not?
For some. yes

“Becoming a better me!”

Since: Jul 09

Location hidden

#227381 Mar 3, 2013
The Expert wrote:
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Din't you just post, "what is moral for you is not necessarily moral for me."
Then why are you making a moral judgement that we should "prevent a child from being stabbed to death? Or raped? Or mutilated?"
Where did I say "we" should prevent this? I didn't.

I stated that a mythical god, while being given credit for an A on a test or a touchdown does not prevent it.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#227382 Mar 3, 2013
The Expert wrote:
<quoted text> For some. yes
Well, then I guess that proves my point.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#227383 Mar 3, 2013
The Expert wrote:
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Din't you just post, "what is moral for you is not necessarily moral for me."
Then why are you making a moral judgement that we should "prevent a child from being stabbed to death? Or raped? Or mutilated?"
She wasn't referencing our society. She was referencing THEIR god. And based on the morals set forth by their "god," these are things that aren't supposed to happen. You need to read the entire conversation and the context within.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Columbus, OH

#227384 Mar 3, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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Where did I say "we" should prevent this? I didn't.
I stated that a mythical god, while being given credit for an A on a test or a touchdown does not prevent it.
This one tried. Aaaaand then failed. Many of these people would never pass a logic class.

“I'm here with bells on.”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#227385 Mar 3, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Are you considering an abortion? Well I want you to 'consider' THIS: When,and or if,you walk into an abortion clinic,and when you lay down on that bed,REMEMBER THIS: Christ the Almighty King is ALSO WATCHING as you prepare to M-U-R-D-E-R your innocent,defensless unborn child. Does it bother you knowing that the eyes that are like 'a flame of fire' are WATCHING you in that abortion clinic?? Well it SHOULD.
Are you considering having supper at Red Lobster? When, and if, you sit down at that table, REMEMBER THIS: The law of God states clearly that eating shellfish is an abomination, and He is watching you with eyes that are like a flame of fire while you snarf down that big plate of it.

Are you considering wearing that cotton-linen blend dress shirt tomorrow morning? With that lovely wool jacket which has a silk lining, by chance? Well KNOW THIS: Those flaming eyes are watching as you slip your pudgy arms into those mixed fibers, and you will surely burn in hell for it.

Are you considering having your hair cut? I wouldn't recommend it - the God of Hellfire has decreed that cutting one's hair is a sin unto the Lord, and will surely strike you dead, as you sit in that reclining chair, to allow that instrument of Satan known as a 'barber' to shear your locks....and you will burn in the fire of his flaming eyes forever and anon.

REPENT!!!

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#227386 Mar 3, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Wow. A fifth grader called and wants his response back. I guarantee I'm smarter than you could ever hope to be. I know that threatens you, but that's your problem, not mine.
There is nothing about you that threatens me, for you to believe that speaks further confirmation for how self deluded you are, You're on the wrong side of several issues and they do not suggest any great intellect on your part in the least.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#227387 Mar 3, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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True. We aren't dealing with smart people here.
I don't think they know what "smart" means either. Unless they relate it to the loudest screaming over an issue.
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#227388 Mar 3, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Are you considering having supper at Red Lobster? When, and if, you sit down at that table, REMEMBER THIS: The law of God states clearly that eating shellfish is an abomination, and He is watching you with eyes that are like a flame of fire while you snarf down that big plate of it.
Are you considering wearing that cotton-linen blend dress shirt tomorrow morning? With that lovely wool jacket which has a silk lining, by chance? Well KNOW THIS: Those flaming eyes are watching as you slip your pudgy arms into those mixed fibers, and you will surely burn in hell for it.
Are you considering having your hair cut? I wouldn't recommend it - the God of Hellfire has decreed that cutting one's hair is a sin unto the Lord, and will surely strike you dead, as you sit in that reclining chair, to allow that instrument of Satan known as a 'barber' to shear your locks....and you will burn in the fire of his flaming eyes forever and anon.
REPENT!!!
ROFLMFAS

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#227389 Mar 3, 2013
Sister Kathryn Lust wrote:
<quoted text>Are you considering having supper at Red Lobster? When, and if, you sit down at that table, REMEMBER THIS: The law of God states clearly that eating shellfish is an abomination, and He is watching you with eyes that are like a flame of fire while you snarf down that big plate of it.
Are you considering wearing that cotton-linen blend dress shirt tomorrow morning? With that lovely wool jacket which has a silk lining, by chance? Well KNOW THIS: Those flaming eyes are watching as you slip your pudgy arms into those mixed fibers, and you will surely burn in hell for it.
Are you considering having your hair cut? I wouldn't recommend it - the God of Hellfire has decreed that cutting one's hair is a sin unto the Lord, and will surely strike you dead, as you sit in that reclining chair, to allow that instrument of Satan known as a 'barber' to shear your locks....and you will burn in the fire of his flaming eyes forever and anon.
REPENT!!!
The scriptures that you are trying to approach against eating shellfish is an old commandment given to the hebrews under an old nazarite covenant that doesn't apply to this current dispensation of grace under Jesus Christ, the Word now tells us that whatever is sold in the shambles ( supermarkets ) buy and eat, and what does this has to do with the fact that abortion is murder?

Matthew 15:11
Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.

1 Corinthians 10:2525 Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake:

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#227390 Mar 3, 2013
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>God gave all of us free will. What we do with it is our choice. My God and you said you were smarter than Lawest. I doubt that.
Lol........good evening LIP, they do struggle to understand the very simplest things, don't they?
The Advocate

Mexico, Mexico

#227391 Mar 3, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text>Lol........good evening LIP, they do struggle to understand the very simplest things, don't they?
I don't think it's very hard to understand that you're a Bible thumping imbecile.

“Jesus is coming soon”

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#227392 Mar 3, 2013
The Advocate wrote:
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I don't think it's very hard to understand that you're a Bible thumping imbecile.
And I think that it is very obvious that you show your most deepest ignorance.

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