There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

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#226869 Jan 6, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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In other words, belief in "god" and "his works" are flexible enough to suit the interpretation of the "believer."
All very convenient.
Mary says "God helped me get an A on my test!" You don't believe that, but you WOULD give "god" credit for extending the life of a terminally ill person in great pain for an extra excruciating three months.
As I said, all very convenient. You have no facts to go on, so you make it all up as you go along.
Only the feeble minded would believe such tripe, God intervenes by his own will and not mine,yours or anyone else.

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#226871 Jan 6, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Only the feeble minded would believe such tripe, God intervenes by his own will and not mine,yours or anyone else.
How can you possibly believe in a god that fails to intervene at Sandy Hook?

By choosing to believe in such a god, you endorse what happened.

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#226872 Jan 6, 2013
And by making THAT statement would require an even more degrading mind if you truly believe what you've just posted.

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#226873 Jan 6, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
A lot of people give God credit for some things that he didn't have anything to do with as well as blaming him for things that he had nothing to do with. You see it works both ways.
a few posts back, you say this:

As for the children who was raped and murdered, he allowed it to happen true, why???.......is something you will have to consult him in PRAYER for yourself.

SO which is it? He allows it to happen? Or are you giving him credit/blame for something he had nothing to do with?

You are talking out both sides of your mouth.

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Glastonbury, UK

#226874 Jan 6, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
A lot of people give God credit for some things that he didn't have anything to do with as well as blaming him for things that he had nothing to do with. You see it works both ways.
Omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent: if God exists, how can he not have anything to do with everything that happens? There is no logic in what you post.
Doctor REALITY

North Little Rock, AR

#226875 Jan 6, 2013
Abortion is MURDER.
crzzzd

Ellwood City, PA

#226876 Jan 6, 2013
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Sex is whats wrong?

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Since: Oct 08

Glastonbury, UK

#226877 Jan 6, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
Abortion is MURDER.
Silly boy - give the staute that supports your assertion. Or are you unfamiliar with Roe vs Wade?

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#226878 Jan 6, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
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Omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent: if God exists, how can he not have anything to do with everything that happens? There is no logic in what you post.
Nothing biblical in what she says either. Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#226879 Jan 6, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Very true. We should always keep them in prayer rather they want us to or not.
Blessings.
Do not pray for me. God might think I would hang out with you.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#226880 Jan 7, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> And a few million others.(C:
Dogmatism is by far the best fall-back defense, the most impregnable castle, that ignorance can find. It's also a dead give-away that the person doesn't know why he believes what he believes. The Authoritarians¬Ē by Bob Altemeyer

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#226881 Jan 7, 2013
mamma-san wrote:
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And your point is?????
I don't need an imaginary being to tell me what is right and wrong. Apparently you do.
She was agreeing with you.

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#226882 Jan 7, 2013
LAWEST100 wrote:
<quoted text> Good decision, because you will find very little of it ( intelligence) here sadly.&#55357;&#56865;
Speak for yourself, Fruitbat.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#226883 Jan 7, 2013
Murder is whatever the law says it is. However, an unborn baby or foetus to some, has a heartbeat, within 2 to 5 weeks of conception, nevertheless, killing is killing. Regardless of law, creed, race, social and educational status, religion, beliefs, circumstances and opinions.
Peace and love and lots of beautiful babies <3

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#226884 Jan 7, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
Murder is whatever the law says it is. However, an unborn baby or foetus to some, has a heartbeat, within 2 to 5 weeks of conception, nevertheless, killing is killing. Regardless of law, creed, race, social and educational status, religion, beliefs, circumstances and opinions.
Peace and love and lots of beautiful babies <3
Everywhere I have checked it says 6 weeks - at two weeks from conception there is virtually nothing there. Your point is what?

Killing of another person is muder/manslaughter unless it is in self-defence. Abortion is legal. It is not up to individuals to decide what they think the law should be.

Why should anyone have lots of babies?

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#226885 Jan 7, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
<quoted text>Everywhere I have checked it says 6 weeks - at two weeks from conception there is virtually nothing there. Your point is what?

Killing of another person is muder/manslaughter unless it is in self-defence. Abortion is legal. It is not up to individuals to decide what they think the law should be.

Why should anyone have lots of babies?
You've misunderstood most of my post. Depending on who you ask or where you look it's between 2 and 5 weeks after conception. Those figures come from Doctors, some of whom claim that it's not definitively known. When current technology is able to detect the baby's heartbeat is a different issue to when a baby actually has a heartbeat. I know abortion is legal, which is why I stated that murder is whatever the LAW says it is. That does not mean that terminating a life is not killing. Legal or not, to kill is still killing.
Peace and love and babies everywhere <3

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#226886 Jan 7, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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You've misunderstood most of my post. Depending on who you ask or where you look it's between 2 and 5 weeks after conception. Those figures come from Doctors, some of whom claim that it's not definitively known. When current technology is able to detect the baby's heartbeat is a different issue to when a baby actually has a heartbeat. I know abortion is legal, which is why I stated that murder is whatever the LAW says it is. That does not mean that terminating a life is not killing. Legal or not, to kill is still killing.
Peace and love and babies everywhere <3
I can only respond to what you post - to avoid misunderstanding, you need to make your meaning clear.

Care to give a source for repeating inaccurate information - I can give a variety of medical sites that support 6 weeks. You didn't answer the question. What is your point?

Killing means depriving of life. Here's a link to the dictionary dfinition: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kil...

A foetus does not have life independent of the mother. Thus I would question your use of the term.

Also, you did not answer my question as to why anyone should have lots of babies and certainly now why they should be "everywhere".

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#226887 Jan 7, 2013
tony1003 wrote:
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I can only respond to what you post - to avoid misunderstanding, you need to make your meaning clear.
Care to give a source for repeating inaccurate information - I can give a variety of medical sites that support 6 weeks. You didn't answer the question. What is your point?
Killing means depriving of life. Here's a link to the dictionary dfinition: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/kil...
A foetus does not have life independent of the mother. Thus I would question your use of the term.
Also, you did not answer my question as to why anyone should have lots of babies and certainly now why they should be "everywhere".
"I am not responsible for your failure to comprehend what I write." I really do love that quote.

I could provide a variety of links to medical sites that support 2 to 5 weeks. I could even provide copies of public medical research documents as well as non confidential Doctor's reports. If I wanted to, that is.
It would be best however, if you did your own research as you are clearly in doubt. Did you not say 8 weeks before?
I feel no need whatsoever to prove myself to you, or to provide anything for you.
Are you a medical researcher by any chance whatsoever?
I am aware of the meaning of the word kill, however, an unborn baby not having life independently of his/her mother, does not negate his/her life. An unborn baby is a live human being. Not a 'nothing'. Surely, so many people would not debate over and spend millions to study a complete absence of anything, or 'nothing', as you put it.
Peace and love and lots of baby smiles <3

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Glastonbury, UK

#226889 Jan 7, 2013
Juicylu wrote:
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"I am not responsible for your failure to comprehend what I write." I really do love that quote.
I could provide a variety of links to medical sites that support 2 to 5 weeks. I could even provide copies of public medical research documents as well as non confidential Doctor's reports. If I wanted to, that is.
It would be best however, if you did your own research as you are clearly in doubt. Did you not say 8 weeks before?
I feel no need whatsoever to prove myself to you, or to provide anything for you.
Are you a medical researcher by any chance whatsoever?
I am aware of the meaning of the word kill, however, an unborn baby not having life independently of his/her mother, does not negate his/her life. An unborn baby is a live human being. Not a 'nothing'. Surely, so many people would not debate over and spend millions to study a complete absence of anything, or 'nothing', as you put it.
Peace and love and lots of baby smiles <3
"I am not responsible for your inability to express yourself clearly". I don't love quotes, merely think that is apposite in your case.

No good saying you can provide links - do it. I have already done my research. Here's one of several I used: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/prenatal-car...
You will note that the heart does not BEGIN to form until 5 weeks after conception - be a little tricky for there to be a heartbeat prior to that development.

An unborn baby is not "a live human being". That is why it is called a foetus. It is a series of cells growing in the host, totally dependant on that host. It does not have a "life" independent of its mother until the successful birth. Whilst on the subject, do not put words into my post that I did not use - I have never referred to a foetus as "nothing" - so do not pretend that I have. That would be a lie - but given the inaccuracy of information you put on here, does not surprise me.

Still waiting for an answer to why you think there should be lots of babies everywhere.

Since: Dec 12

Yes, I'm an Atheist.

#226890 Jan 7, 2013
I think this applies to any argument when differing 'facts' exist, not just religious ones.
Monday January 7
This Year, Live by the Beatitudes (7)
Lev 8-10, Matt 5:13-26, Ps 42:1-5, Pr 1:20-23
'Blessed are the peacemakers...' Matthew 5:9

The story's told of two blokes who were arguing about religion. One of them finally shouted,'Ok, you serve God your way and I'll serve Him His way!' When we make our opinions a precondition for loving one another, we end up alienating one another. Much of what we fight about doesn't matter. Jesus said,'By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.'(John 13:35) It's not enough to love peace, you've got to become a peacemaker. When a fight erupted in the New Testament church over eating certain foods, Paul stepped in:'Let us stop passing judgement on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. Therefore do not let what you know is good to be spoken of as evil. For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval. Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and mutual edification...So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God...'(Romans 14:13-22) So, be a peacemaker!
The Word for Today
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Another tall order, for me at least. I read a book called The Peacemaker by Ken Sande, given to me by a dear friend, who noticed that this was not my forte. I enjoyed both the book and the little studies and exercises within it. Indeed, I have never been much of a 'peacemaker', the opposite is true, I was always more of a provoker and a confronter, great for my profession but more productive if done in a kind and loving manner, terrible for personal relationships. People do not like to be confronted, provoked, disagreed with or disrespected. I am very grateful to God that this is not an aspect of myself that I have to develop on my own. I am also thankful for the help I have received in my development thus far. Please, Lord, help all Christians to develop and grow into the role of 'peacemakers' as is Your will for us, in Jesus' name, Amen.
Peace and love and understanding <3

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