There is Everything Wrong with Abortion
Orange County blues

Kissimmee, FL

#224074 Jun 5, 2012
Metal 0-4 wrote:
<quoted text> Like I just said, you can't kill something that isn't alive.
Oh- a z/e/f is most definitely alive and can be killed. What a z/e/f is NOT is a LIFE and while a z/e/f within the body of a human is of course a human z/e/f, what a z/e/f is NOT is a PERSON and there is no PERSON and no LIFE until there is a live BIRTH.

But make no mistake that a z/e/f is most definitely alive, but so is sperm, mold, mildew and bacteria. But what none of these are is a LIFE.

And there is a difference between that which is ALIVE and that which is A LIFE just as there is a difference between that which is HUMAN and that which is a PERSON.
good wife

San Antonio, TX

#224075 Jun 5, 2012
Metal 0-4 wrote:
<quoted text> Point taken, but I'm being "led" off topic. I'll admit, I kinda did it first, but you all continued to "lead" me off topic....... However, I'll admit if I had not made an a** of myself when I first came on this thread, it wouldn'tve happened in the first place. I'll be mindful of it in the future.
Poor excuse and just like a guy to put the blame on others.
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#224076 Jun 5, 2012
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Roller coaster with some things, luckily it's just THINGS, y'know?
Just celebrated our 26th anniversary and getting ready for the birthday season.
How you doing?
Congratulations!!! Hope you have some fun with the birthdays! Same ol' work, different day haha you know. Busy with weddings and baby showers- June is just so crazy for me every year.
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#224077 Jun 5, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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Um, I have to disagree...
<quoted text>
When my (now) ex-wife was pregnant with our son, I definitely had to suffer through all of her morning sickness, diet restrictions, mood swings, and all the rest of it.
You think that is bad, trust me it is nothing compared to actually physically going through it. That's what I really meant by that.
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#224078 Jun 5, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
He indicated, and we were referring to the fact, that his daughter and grandchild were physically abused by the father of the child. We weren't saying he should file a case against the boy because he got her pregnant. In the case of physical abuse, the police could have filed charges. Anyone could have reported the incident(s).<quoted text>
Sorry I must have not read all the posts in entirety- thanks roadrunner and nwmoon for the clarification :)I understand now what you were saying.
good wife

San Antonio, TX

#224079 Jun 5, 2012
Orange County blues wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think it's true that the parents can't do anything. Even in the case of consensual sex between minors- and even if the boy involved is also a minor- the parents of the girl can have charges brought against the boy for statutory rape. And I don't think for charges such as that to stick the girl would be required to testify.
"The term "statutory rape" is used in some legal jurisdictions to refer to sexual activities in which one person is below the age required to legally consent to the behavior, it can also be charged with sexual behaviors with two under-aged minors."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape
"Statutory rape is illegal sexual activity between two people when it would otherwise be legal if not for their age
In accordance with the FBI definition, statutory rape is characterized as non-forcible sexual intercourse with a person who is younger than the statutory age of consent. The actual ages for these laws vary greatly from state-to-state, as do the punishments for offenders."
http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_statutory_rape
So if a male can be charged with statutory rape even if both parties were willing and it was consensual, I would think that in the case of forced rape of a minor, the parents could bring a suit against the rapist without the minor having to press charges.
If two fifteen year olds consent to have sex with one another it should not be considered rape and charges should not be brought against the male unless the female is charged also. IMO that would be unfair to the young man as he might have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#224080 Jun 5, 2012
good wife wrote:
<quoted text>If two fifteen year olds consent to have sex with one another it should not be considered rape and charges should not be brought against the male unless the female is charged also. IMO that would be unfair to the young man as he might have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
Agreed but I think roadrunner was talking of a younger party and a much older one? Or maybe I misread that as well...

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#224081 Jun 5, 2012
good wife wrote:
<quoted text>If two fifteen year olds consent to have sex with one another it should not be considered rape and charges should not be brought against the male unless the female is charged also. IMO that would be unfair to the young man as he might have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
Agree.
Orange County blues

Kissimmee, FL

#224082 Jun 5, 2012
good wife wrote:
<quoted text>If two fifteen year olds consent to have sex with one another it should not be considered rape and charges should not be brought against the male unless the female is charged also. IMO that would be unfair to the young man as he might have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
Whether or not it should or should not be is not the point- the point is that it is what it is.

I agree that it is unfair, but regardless if it's two minors involved or if the girl is a minor and the boy is not, in both cases the boy can be charged with statutory rape.

But I don't think a charge of statutory rape would result in the person charged and found guilty of having to be a registered sex offender, but I'm not sure.

I also don't think a girl who is not a minor can be charged with statutory rape if the boy involved is a minor, and I don't think that is fair either, but again, it is what it is.

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#224083 Jun 5, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
<quoted text>
Congratulations!!! Hope you have some fun with the birthdays! Same ol' work, different day haha you know. Busy with weddings and baby showers- June is just so crazy for me every year.
Yeah, our Junes are like that. More than six birthdays just in June.

“ANYTHING to be HER EVERYTHING”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#224084 Jun 5, 2012
good wife wrote:
<quoted text>Poor excuse and just like a guy to put the blame on others.
Well, if you put it that way, I can't really argue with you. I'll be sure to be mindful in the future.

“ANYTHING to be HER EVERYTHING”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#224085 Jun 5, 2012
Orange County blues wrote:
<quoted text>Oh- a z/e/f is most definitely alive and can be killed. What a z/e/f is NOT is a LIFE and while a z/e/f within the body of a human is of course a human z/e/f, what a z/e/f is NOT is a PERSON and there is no PERSON and no LIFE until there is a live BIRTH.
But make no mistake that a z/e/f is most definitely alive, but so is sperm, mold, mildew and bacteria. But what none of these are is a LIFE.
And there is a difference between that which is ALIVE and that which is A LIFE just as there is a difference between that which is HUMAN and that which is a PERSON.
Point taken.

“Respect others and yourself...”

Since: Jan 08

Honolulu, HI (yes-be jealous!)

#224086 Jun 5, 2012
Metal 0-4 wrote:
<quoted text> Well, if you put it that way, I can't really argue with you. I'll be sure to be mindful in the future.
Hate to say it, but having checked in here time to time and seeing people come and go, once you have left a "negative taste" in the ladies (and mens) mouths, it is very hard to recover (yeah, that DID sound bad- don't take it THAT way.. LOL)...
I would strongly say stop kissing up and begging forgiveness each time someone disagrees with you.. Especially if you are going into the military.. You will get picked out big time if you can't stand up for yourself... Just saying...

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#224087 Jun 5, 2012
Liam R wrote:
When my (now) ex-wife was pregnant with our son, I definitely had to suffer through all of her morning sickness, diet restrictions, mood swings, and all the rest of it.
Orange County blues wrote:
<quoted text>But you suffered through it vicariously. Not saying that invalidates you suffering along WITH her, but it isn't the same as being the person actually going through the actual suffering.
HA! When she experienced morning sickness, she expected me to be there to try and keep her from vomiting.(It was an energy flow and the chakras kind of thing...) And that mean that if I couldn't manage to prevent it, I was right there as she puked her guts out.

And I did all of the cooking, so her restrictions ended affecting what I was eating as well. Except for when we went out to eat. And then she would guilt trip me for eating things that she couldn't.

And I was the usual target of the mood swings.

At least I didn't have to deal with the ever shrinking bladder portion of it....

“No Allah: know peace”

Since: Jun 07

A sacred grove in Tujunga, CA

#224088 Jun 5, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
<quoted text>
You think that is bad, trust me it is nothing compared to actually physically going through it. That's what I really meant by that.
On that, I will agree 100%

“too hard to handle”

Since: Jun 11

butler, pa

#224089 Jun 5, 2012
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, you're a liar or a lousy excuse of a parent.
You let your 12/13 year old be raped, give birth, then let the grandchild be abused.
Make all the excuses you want, we all know that if that's true, you're a stinking lousy parent who wasn't involved, and didn't care enough about your child to be sure she could complete her childhood before becoming a parent herself.
You are a waste of skin, oxygen and water.
Where did your get the idea I let any of that happen?

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#224090 Jun 5, 2012
superwilly wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did your get the idea I let any of that happen?
You told us. Now run along, you've wasted enough bandwidth with you're manure.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#224091 Jun 5, 2012
Did or did NOT, your 12 or 13 year old daughter have sex and get pregnant with a 17 year old boy? If she did, you were not doing your job as a parent and inadertently (sp? lol) let it happen. Very simple. No 12 year old or newly 13 year old has sex if they are being supervised accordingly. Does not mean I think you're a terrible, abusive person who shouldn't raise kids. You simply dropped the ball at some point. I see it happening with someone close to me and am scared as hell his young daughter may end up in some kind of trouble as well, but don't know exactly how to approach it without sounding like a meddling ass. And he's not a terrible father, just kind of clueless when it comes how to handle these in between years.
superwilly wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did your get the idea I let any of that happen?

“ANYTHING to be HER EVERYTHING”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#224092 Jun 6, 2012
Lizard wrote:
<quoted text>
Hate to say it, but having checked in here time to time and seeing people come and go, once you have left a "negative taste" in the ladies (and mens) mouths, it is very hard to recover (yeah, that DID sound bad- don't take it THAT way.. LOL)...
I would strongly say stop kissing up and begging forgiveness each time someone disagrees with you.. Especially if you are going into the military.. You will get picked out big time if you can't stand up for yourself... Just saying...
There's no point in standing up for myself when I'm wrong, and I'm wrong A LOT.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Rolling Meadows, IL

#224093 Jun 6, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
<quoted text>
You think that is bad, trust me it is nothing compared to actually physically going through it. That's what I really meant by that.
I have to agree with you. Dealing with someone who is going through something is never as easy as actually going through it. I was by my grandfather's side while he went through chemo but I would never say that I know what he felt or that I what I experienced even came close to how he felt.

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