There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

“ANYTHING to be HER EVERYTHING”

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#224066 Jun 4, 2012
good wife wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong thread - wrong topic.:)
Point taken, but I'm being "led" off topic. I'll admit, I kinda did it first, but you all continued to "lead" me off topic....... However, I'll admit if I had not made an a** of myself when I first came on this thread, it wouldn'tve happened in the first place. I'll be mindful of it in the future.

“ANYTHING to be HER EVERYTHING”

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#224067 Jun 4, 2012
Grunt56 wrote:
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Right now. There wasn't a time when it couldn't survive outside the uterus in the second semester.
That changed.
Dude, I think the correct term is "trimester".

“ANYTHING to be HER EVERYTHING”

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#224068 Jun 4, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
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It's a human wad of goo- better? It's not a being because being because that would imply sentience and there's no evidence of that. In my opinion, abortion is justified legal killing.
You can't kill something that isn't alive.

“ANYTHING to be HER EVERYTHING”

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#224069 Jun 4, 2012
Grunt56 wrote:
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No, it's not. It's taking a life. "Medical decision" is the smoke screen people toss out there when they want to kill babies.
Like I just said, you can't kill something that isn't alive.

“ANYTHING to be HER EVERYTHING”

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#224070 Jun 4, 2012
Grunt56 wrote:
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For the child who will absolutely die if there is one.
All of this whinig over a wad of goo. You have such a weak stomach..........

“ANYTHING to be HER EVERYTHING”

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#224071 Jun 4, 2012
Whining*
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#224072 Jun 5, 2012
He indicated, and we were referring to the fact, that his daughter and grandchild were physically abused by the father of the child. We weren't saying he should file a case against the boy because he got her pregnant. In the case of physical abuse, the police could have filed charges. Anyone could have reported the incident(s).
lifes a beach wrote:
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Superwilly is correct- if the raped minor refuses to press charges or testify, then there's not much a parent can do in those circumstances. Extremely rarely will the court compel such a witness to testify, it looks horrible on them to force a "child" to testify over what was seemingly consensual sex. Just saying...
http://www.students.haverford.edu/masar/docum...
Orange County blues

Kissimmee, FL

#224073 Jun 5, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
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Superwilly is correct- if the raped minor refuses to press charges or testify, then there's not much a parent can do in those circumstances. Extremely rarely will the court compel such a witness to testify, it looks horrible on them to force a "child" to testify over what was seemingly consensual sex. Just saying...
http://www.students.haverford.edu/masar/docum...
I don't think it's true that the parents can't do anything. Even in the case of consensual sex between minors- and even if the boy involved is also a minor- the parents of the girl can have charges brought against the boy for statutory rape. And I don't think for charges such as that to stick the girl would be required to testify.

"The term "statutory rape" is used in some legal jurisdictions to refer to sexual activities in which one person is below the age required to legally consent to the behavior, it can also be charged with sexual behaviors with two under-aged minors."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape

"Statutory rape is illegal sexual activity between two people when it would otherwise be legal if not for their age

In accordance with the FBI definition, statutory rape is characterized as non-forcible sexual intercourse with a person who is younger than the statutory age of consent. The actual ages for these laws vary greatly from state-to-state, as do the punishments for offenders."

http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_statutory_rape

So if a male can be charged with statutory rape even if both parties were willing and it was consensual, I would think that in the case of forced rape of a minor, the parents could bring a suit against the rapist without the minor having to press charges.
Orange County blues

Kissimmee, FL

#224074 Jun 5, 2012
Metal 0-4 wrote:
<quoted text> Like I just said, you can't kill something that isn't alive.
Oh- a z/e/f is most definitely alive and can be killed. What a z/e/f is NOT is a LIFE and while a z/e/f within the body of a human is of course a human z/e/f, what a z/e/f is NOT is a PERSON and there is no PERSON and no LIFE until there is a live BIRTH.

But make no mistake that a z/e/f is most definitely alive, but so is sperm, mold, mildew and bacteria. But what none of these are is a LIFE.

And there is a difference between that which is ALIVE and that which is A LIFE just as there is a difference between that which is HUMAN and that which is a PERSON.
good wife

San Antonio, TX

#224075 Jun 5, 2012
Metal 0-4 wrote:
<quoted text> Point taken, but I'm being "led" off topic. I'll admit, I kinda did it first, but you all continued to "lead" me off topic....... However, I'll admit if I had not made an a** of myself when I first came on this thread, it wouldn'tve happened in the first place. I'll be mindful of it in the future.
Poor excuse and just like a guy to put the blame on others.
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#224076 Jun 5, 2012
NWmoon wrote:
<quoted text>Roller coaster with some things, luckily it's just THINGS, y'know?
Just celebrated our 26th anniversary and getting ready for the birthday season.
How you doing?
Congratulations!!! Hope you have some fun with the birthdays! Same ol' work, different day haha you know. Busy with weddings and baby showers- June is just so crazy for me every year.
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#224077 Jun 5, 2012
Liam R wrote:
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Um, I have to disagree...
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When my (now) ex-wife was pregnant with our son, I definitely had to suffer through all of her morning sickness, diet restrictions, mood swings, and all the rest of it.
You think that is bad, trust me it is nothing compared to actually physically going through it. That's what I really meant by that.
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#224078 Jun 5, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
He indicated, and we were referring to the fact, that his daughter and grandchild were physically abused by the father of the child. We weren't saying he should file a case against the boy because he got her pregnant. In the case of physical abuse, the police could have filed charges. Anyone could have reported the incident(s).<quoted text>
Sorry I must have not read all the posts in entirety- thanks roadrunner and nwmoon for the clarification :)I understand now what you were saying.
good wife

San Antonio, TX

#224079 Jun 5, 2012
Orange County blues wrote:
<quoted text>I don't think it's true that the parents can't do anything. Even in the case of consensual sex between minors- and even if the boy involved is also a minor- the parents of the girl can have charges brought against the boy for statutory rape. And I don't think for charges such as that to stick the girl would be required to testify.
"The term "statutory rape" is used in some legal jurisdictions to refer to sexual activities in which one person is below the age required to legally consent to the behavior, it can also be charged with sexual behaviors with two under-aged minors."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statutory_rape
"Statutory rape is illegal sexual activity between two people when it would otherwise be legal if not for their age
In accordance with the FBI definition, statutory rape is characterized as non-forcible sexual intercourse with a person who is younger than the statutory age of consent. The actual ages for these laws vary greatly from state-to-state, as do the punishments for offenders."
http://www.sexlaws.org/what_is_statutory_rape
So if a male can be charged with statutory rape even if both parties were willing and it was consensual, I would think that in the case of forced rape of a minor, the parents could bring a suit against the rapist without the minor having to press charges.
If two fifteen year olds consent to have sex with one another it should not be considered rape and charges should not be brought against the male unless the female is charged also. IMO that would be unfair to the young man as he might have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
lifes a beach

Lewistown, PA

#224080 Jun 5, 2012
good wife wrote:
<quoted text>If two fifteen year olds consent to have sex with one another it should not be considered rape and charges should not be brought against the male unless the female is charged also. IMO that would be unfair to the young man as he might have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
Agreed but I think roadrunner was talking of a younger party and a much older one? Or maybe I misread that as well...

Since: Feb 08

Philadelphia, PA

#224081 Jun 5, 2012
good wife wrote:
<quoted text>If two fifteen year olds consent to have sex with one another it should not be considered rape and charges should not be brought against the male unless the female is charged also. IMO that would be unfair to the young man as he might have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
Agree.
Orange County blues

Kissimmee, FL

#224082 Jun 5, 2012
good wife wrote:
<quoted text>If two fifteen year olds consent to have sex with one another it should not be considered rape and charges should not be brought against the male unless the female is charged also. IMO that would be unfair to the young man as he might have to register as a sex offender for the rest of his life.
Whether or not it should or should not be is not the point- the point is that it is what it is.

I agree that it is unfair, but regardless if it's two minors involved or if the girl is a minor and the boy is not, in both cases the boy can be charged with statutory rape.

But I don't think a charge of statutory rape would result in the person charged and found guilty of having to be a registered sex offender, but I'm not sure.

I also don't think a girl who is not a minor can be charged with statutory rape if the boy involved is a minor, and I don't think that is fair either, but again, it is what it is.

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#224083 Jun 5, 2012
lifes a beach wrote:
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Congratulations!!! Hope you have some fun with the birthdays! Same ol' work, different day haha you know. Busy with weddings and baby showers- June is just so crazy for me every year.
Yeah, our Junes are like that. More than six birthdays just in June.

“ANYTHING to be HER EVERYTHING”

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#224084 Jun 5, 2012
good wife wrote:
<quoted text>Poor excuse and just like a guy to put the blame on others.
Well, if you put it that way, I can't really argue with you. I'll be sure to be mindful in the future.

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#224085 Jun 5, 2012
Orange County blues wrote:
<quoted text>Oh- a z/e/f is most definitely alive and can be killed. What a z/e/f is NOT is a LIFE and while a z/e/f within the body of a human is of course a human z/e/f, what a z/e/f is NOT is a PERSON and there is no PERSON and no LIFE until there is a live BIRTH.
But make no mistake that a z/e/f is most definitely alive, but so is sperm, mold, mildew and bacteria. But what none of these are is a LIFE.
And there is a difference between that which is ALIVE and that which is A LIFE just as there is a difference between that which is HUMAN and that which is a PERSON.
Point taken.

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