There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Walled Lake, MI

#220428 May 7, 2012
Superwilly wrote:
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Prime example: Magee Woman's hospital, pittsburgh, pa.
They do abortions there, and I am opposed to that. You can opt out of an abortion there, but they are a particularly effective and comprehesive woman's medical care hospital. They'll provide care for any woman that seeks thier help.
Soooo...your example of where a woman can go to get the same services PP offers so they don't patronize an organization that performs abortions is a hospital that offers abortions.

Genius.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#220429 May 7, 2012
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Um....YESSS...this might be the absolute stupidest thing anyone has ever posted on here! WTH do you think this debate is all about? Seriously...you're so very, very dense.
No need for personal attacks. You see - some if not most of the so-called pro-choicers on here think that the only debate is that of the woman's freedom to choose, regardless of whether the fetus is a person or not. I just wanted to know whether you had any morals whatsoever. By your reply, apparently you do.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Walled Lake, MI

#220430 May 7, 2012
Grunt56 wrote:
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My mortgage isn't 10k a month. If it were, I'd have said "doesn't cover the mortgage" or "is my mortgage". You really need to learn to read.
I can't help it if you live in the ghetto.
You try way too hard to try and convince people on here something about yourself. It's obvious how untrue most of your comments are. You say some people protest too much, but there is such a thing of doing the opposite and you're very guilty of it.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Walled Lake, MI

#220431 May 7, 2012
Grunt56 wrote:
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Please read the thread. 93% of women who had abortions listed their reasons as "school, money, work, etc". All of which add up to "inconvenience".
You don't have to like it. That doesn't make it any less true.
And it doesn't make it any more your business. A woman can have an abortion for any reason she decides upon.
Orange County blues

Kissimmee, FL

#220432 May 7, 2012
LightForce wrote:
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Why would anyone support abortion at all whether it be in the guise of choice, population control, or whatever? An unborn baby is an individual human being(person) no matter what good(bad) wife tells you.
The rest of your comment I understood, but I had to lower my standards in order to.
You still don't GET it.

No pro-choicer supports abortion in and of itself. And no pro-choicer supports having a baby and keeping it in and of itself.And no pro-choicer supports having a baby and giving it up for adoption in and of itself.

What pro-choice supports is.......wait for it, wait for it....is CHOICE.

The only INDIVIDUAL who has to "support" any or all of the above choices is the INDIVIDUAL who is pregnant.

And no- you are WRONG. A zygote, an embryo and a fetus are NOT individual PERSONS.

Yes- if a z/e/f is within the body of a HUMAN, it is of course, HUMAN.

I can't help that you can't differentiate between something being HUMAN and something being a PERSON.

And I can't help that you don't know what "individual" means.

As long as a z/e/f is ATTACHED to a woman by means of the umbilical cord, it is NOT an INDIVIDUAL as it cannot exist INDIVIDUALLY as it it solely dependent upon that attachment via the umbilical cord to survive.

I mean really- this is fifth grade stuff.

But okay- since you insist on using the misnomer of "unborn baby", then surely you can insist upon referring to yourself as an "undead corpse". I mean, after all, eventually you WILL be a corpse, so why not start referring to yourself as one now?

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Walled Lake, MI

#220433 May 7, 2012
LightForce wrote:
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Why would anyone support abortion at all whether it be in the guise of choice, population control, or whatever? An unborn baby is an individual human being(person) no matter what good(bad) wife tells you.
The rest of your comment I understood, but I had to lower my standards in order to.
Because personal liberty is more important. Because a woman's right to choose is more important. Because people don't see it in the same light as you. Because your opinion is inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#220434 May 7, 2012
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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You do know that men can go to PP as well, right?
He didn't know until last night.

Silly Willy has plenty of opinions on Planned Parethood. He just doesn't have the facts to back them up.

The full blown war brought upon Planned Parenthood is a shameful.
The heads of these anti choicers is filled with propaganda and we all know who will suffer. Women in need.
They always get the short end of the stick.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Walled Lake, MI

#220435 May 7, 2012
LightForce wrote:
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No need for personal attacks. You see - some if not most of the so-called pro-choicers on here think that the only debate is that of the woman's freedom to choose, regardless of whether the fetus is a person or not. I just wanted to know whether you had any morals whatsoever. By your reply, apparently you do.
When you stop lacking the intelligence to have this debate, then I won't have to point it out that the gist of many of these conversations revolves around that exact point and yet, it's gone completely over your head.

No, I do not consider a 6-wk-old fetus a person.
Orange County blues

Kissimmee, FL

#220436 May 7, 2012
LightForce wrote:
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Why would anyone support abortion at all whether it be in the guise of choice, population control, or whatever? An unborn baby is an individual human being(person) no matter what good(bad) wife tells you.
The rest of your comment I understood, but I had to lower my standards in order to.
No need for personal attacks?

Uh..."physician", heal thyself.

You just posted the following to ME right before your post to Mpnf:

"The rest of your comment I understood, but I had to lower my standards in order to."

That is a personal attack or at the very least, a veiled insult.

What is WITH the sense of entitlement of you anti-choicers?

You think you are entitled to butt your noses into the personal and private choices and decisions of others and you also think you are entitled to insult others but that others are not entitled to insult you.

It's HILARIOUS!!
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#220437 May 7, 2012
LightForce wrote:
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Don't be caught this weekend unprepared when those uninvited guests show up to your door. Be the envy of all yer relatives with this lip-smackin' recipe. Here - set a spell an have a look-see:
Aplle Pie
A heap o' short sweetnin
A smigen o' wheat flour
A bit o' tartnin'
Less than a bit o' tart hide
Even less o' bever stick
A quotom o' mashed mace
Butter
A raw outcoverin fer a pie
A poke o' pome fruit
In the lower half o' yore pie outercoverin lay out layers o'pome an tween the layers sprinkle some o' yore tartnin' tart hide, wheaten flour, n' spices. Put some teeny dots o' butter over the top. Lay on the upper half o' yore pie outcoverin' with a few holes punched in fer to let out the steam n' bake a good bit.
Enjoy!
It's no wonder your girlfriend dumped you and gave away your baby.
You're a moron.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#220438 May 7, 2012
Orange County blues wrote:
<quoted text>You still don't GET it.
No pro-choicer supports abortion in and of itself. And no pro-choicer supports having a baby and keeping it in and of itself.And no pro-choicer supports having a baby and giving it up for adoption in and of itself.
What pro-choice supports is.......wait for it, wait for it....is CHOICE.
The only INDIVIDUAL who has to "support" any or all of the above choices is the INDIVIDUAL who is pregnant.
And no- you are WRONG. A zygote, an embryo and a fetus are NOT individual PERSONS.
Yes- if a z/e/f is within the body of a HUMAN, it is of course, HUMAN.
I can't help that you can't differentiate between something being HUMAN and something being a PERSON.
And I can't help that you don't know what "individual" means.
As long as a z/e/f is ATTACHED to a woman by means of the umbilical cord, it is NOT an INDIVIDUAL as it cannot exist INDIVIDUALLY as it it solely dependent upon that attachment via the umbilical cord to survive.
I mean really- this is fifth grade stuff.
But okay- since you insist on using the misnomer of "unborn baby", then surely you can insist upon referring to yourself as an "undead corpse". I mean, after all, eventually you WILL be a corpse, so why not start referring to yourself as one now?
"This is all fifth grade material"(but as usual, everything was in it's place and spelled correctly).

Agree.

At the moment of conception a unique individual is created, different from both of it's parents.

So, apparently you are NOT smarter than a fifth grader.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#220439 May 7, 2012
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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When you stop lacking the intelligence to have this debate, then I won't have to point it out that the gist of many of these conversations revolves around that exact point and yet, it's gone completely over your head.
No, I do not consider a 6-wk-old fetus a person.
Now you've gone off into lala land. Please read before you reply next time, or at least try to reply without the bad attitude.
Orange County blues

Kissimmee, FL

#220440 May 7, 2012
LightForce wrote:
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"This is all fifth grade material"(but as usual, everything was in it's place and spelled correctly).
Agree.
At the moment of conception a unique individual is created, different from both of it's parents.
So, apparently you are NOT smarter than a fifth grader.
A unique mass of cells is created.

Those cells are not INDIVIDUAL as they cannot live SEPARATE/APART from the body within who those cells are.

Oh- and it's "its"- "it's" is a contraction for "it is".

So, apparently, YOU are NOT smarter than a THIRD grader.

So AGAIN- here is the BIOLOGICAL definition of "individual":

Biology .
a.
a single organism capable of *****independent existence*****.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/indivi...

Is a z/e/f capable of "independent existence"? NO.
Braxton

Vestaburg, MI

#220441 May 7, 2012
What a joke! Orange County Blues, Mpnf1979 and Lyndi spend their whole life on this thread! You three losers have not left this thread yet! Everyday you are on here. What does that say about the life you live? Pathetic, is what that says about each of your lives. You three really need to get out of your houses or trailers and enjoy life instead of spending it in front of a computer. You three really do represent Pro-Choicers all over the world. They have no life and therefore are very angry because of the pathetic humanbeings they have become. Because of this they have to take out their anger on unborn children by killing them. They can't understand that most people live very productive and fullfilling lives unlike their own. Their hate for themselves and their life flows into everything they believe. It truly is a sad situation pro-choicers are in. I hope everyone learns from the example of these three pro-choicers. Get out into the world. Meet people. Enjoy life and value it.
Orange County blues

Kissimmee, FL

#220442 May 7, 2012
LightForce wrote:
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Now you've gone off into lala land. Please read before you reply next time, or at least try to reply without the bad attitude.
"Bad attitude"?

You mean like when YOU posted the following to ME?

"So, apparently you are NOT smarter than a fifth grader."

Let's see:

You don't know the difference between that which is human and that which is a person.

You don't know what supporting "choice" means.

And now you are proving that you don't know what a "bad attitude" means- at least not where YOU yourself are concerned.....

So I guess that means you don't know what "sense of entitlement" means either.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#220443 May 7, 2012
mamma-san wrote:
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Not making enough money to support yourself, as well as a child, is illogical?
Wanting to wait 'til you're ready to be a mother is illogical?
Wanting your child to have a home with two parents is illogical?
Only to a man who can walk out on his child without a backwards glance.
By the way, your analogy is totally inappropriate.
Wanting to lay down with a man and spread your legs knowing you could get pregnant is illogical.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#220444 May 7, 2012
Lyndi wrote:
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It's no wonder your girlfriend dumped you and gave away your baby.
You're a moron.
I thought you would be out on you sailboat - translation: wooden raft with sheet/stick - today, and why all of the sudden are you being so nice to me?
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#220445 May 7, 2012
LightForce wrote:
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I thought you would be out on you sailboat - translation: wooden raft with sheet/stick - today, and why all of the sudden are you being so nice to me?
And I thought you'd have a job so the next time you procreate, you could afford to keep it.
LightForce

Warren, MI

#220446 May 7, 2012
Orange County blues wrote:
<quoted text>A unique mass of cells is created.
Those cells are not INDIVIDUAL as they cannot live SEPARATE/APART from the body within who those cells are.
Oh- and it's "its"- "it's" is a contraction for "it is".
So, apparently, YOU are NOT smarter than a THIRD grader.
So AGAIN- here is the BIOLOGICAL definition of "individual":
Biology .
a.
a single organism capable of *****independent existence*****.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/indivi...
Is a z/e/f capable of "independent existence"? NO.
Try to imagine yourself living without air for two minutes. Ahah! You are not independent according to your definition are you?

I don't expect you to understand, but it's just for the benefit of those who are capable of "independent" thought, and who are also smarter than a fifth grader.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#220447 May 7, 2012
Life is Precious wrote:
<quoted text>Wanting to lay down with a man and spread your legs knowing you could get pregnant is illogical.
Crass little thing aren't you? Or is it coarse or slutty or poorly raised or bitchy or misogynistic or vulgar or perhaps all of the above?

I sure hope your ex husband landed himself a woman who speaks with some decency and doesn't bash her own gender like we're all just sty full of pigs.
I'm sorry you view making love to be so cheap. You must not have been very good at it.

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