There is Everything Wrong with Abortion

Since: Apr 12

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#217645 Apr 27, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
I seem to have put Grunt in the corner where he belongs. He calls me a liar and tells me to present links....and I called him on it. Now he ignores it. He also won't answer questions posed to him, skirts around it instead and accuses me of not knowing how to not get pregnant. Does this guy ever sleep? When the hell does he take care of his supposed twins who defied all medical history and had formed, 4 chambered hearts, at 5 weeks gestation, when that's not how it happens. LMAO!! I'm waiting for the "reported" posts to start since he can't answer my questions, or refute what I've posted through the course of the night getting caught up.
Sorry about all those posts at once too. It seems like a lot over a night time, because no one else was posting. Maybe I should simply ignore his ignorance now, now that I've pointed it out and called him on it. Maybe he'll go scurrying over to his other fave thread. I may just have to go pay him a visit over there as well.:)
In the corner? You've established you don't even understand the topic you discuss. Seriously. I'm consistently amazed at the lack of education attained by people who think it's perfectly ok to kill unborn babies.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#217646 Apr 27, 2012
I can read just fine. I just linked to a random post where you accused people who are pro-choice or those who have abortions as murderers. Again, complete denial in the face of facts. Yes, that pesky word again.....I know how much people who are as ignorant as you are hate those pesky little things...facts. It's like a four letter word to you, isn't it?
Grunt56 wrote:
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You can't read, can you? It's perfectly legal in most cases for you to kill unborn babies.
For now.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#217647 Apr 27, 2012
Do you often repeat yourself? LOL I knew you couldn't answer the question. Because the answer is I have every reason and every right to end a pregnancy if my form of birth control fails. You didn't surprise me by not answering by the way. I knew it was too tough for you. And you have the nerve to call me uneducated. HA HA!
Grunt56 wrote:
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Do you need a class on how to not get pregnant?
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#217648 Apr 27, 2012
I see you're going to your standard go to reply when you have no other reply to back up your claims. Trust me, except for one or two people here, we ALL know that it's you who has the lack of an education. And obviously a job. How is that welfare working out for you, Mr. Responsibility. You're a joke.
Grunt56 wrote:
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In the corner? You've established you don't even understand the topic you discuss. Seriously. I'm consistently amazed at the lack of education attained by people who think it's perfectly ok to kill unborn babies.

Since: Apr 12

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#217649 Apr 27, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
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"Heart and Circulatory System
By 5 weeks old, BabyCenter says a fetus' heart starts to beat. This is the first organ that begins to work. There are two chambers to the heart at 5 weeks old, each one pumping separately. The heart will then divide into four chambers and begin to function, helping to develop the circulatory system. Blood pumps and travels through the entire body at a regular rhythm, making all additional developments of organs, bones and muscles possible.
Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/81426-week-... ;
Thanks for proving my point. What's that say? Oh yeah. The heart starts to beat.

Since: Apr 12

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#217650 Apr 27, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
I can read just fine. I just linked to a random post where you accused people who are pro-choice or those who have abortions as murderers. Again, complete denial in the face of facts. Yes, that pesky word again.....I know how much people who are as ignorant as you are hate those pesky little things...facts. It's like a four letter word to you, isn't it? <quoted text>
No you didn't. Claiming something is true doesn't make it so.

If your point is so weak you must lie, why continue to support it?

Since: Apr 12

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#217651 Apr 27, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
Do you often repeat yourself? LOL I knew you couldn't answer the question. Because the answer is I have every reason and every right to end a pregnancy if my form of birth control fails. You didn't surprise me by not answering by the way. I knew it was too tough for you. And you have the nerve to call me uneducated. HA HA!<quoted text>
Sometimes when talking to really slow people, you have to repeat yourself many times before they get it. Repetition is a great learning tool.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#217652 Apr 27, 2012
Another accusation of criminal activity by Grunt:

"So, let's tally the score, shall we?

Thus far, every single baby killer has completely abandoned their position and resorted to lies and personal attacks.

I guess we've established where the low brow intellect lies.

Let's see if there is an intelligent baby killer that can pick up the ball where these to criminals have left off."

Post # 215810
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0SOT21...
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#217653 Apr 27, 2012
Grunt56 wrote:
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No. I said you shouldn't get pregnant. Do you need a class on how to not get pregnant?
Yes, where are the classes being held for the 40 million US men from the last 40 years who were careless with their sperm?

How to Keep Your Zipper Up for Beginners
How to Say No For Beginners
Men Who Set Up Their Sperm for Slaughter
Accomplice to Killing Babies 101
Male Masturbation To Prevent Murder
Spermazoa Of Today May Be Murdered Tomorrow
Sperm is Really a Baby
Boys Being Boys Should Be Incarcerated

Where ARE all those guys anyway?
MIA?
I'm shocked.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#217654 Apr 27, 2012
Here we go:
"I have twins. I followed their development from 5 weeks. We saw the heartbeat around then. I watched them grow, move, dream, fight in the womb, kick, stretch, etc. They were developing people. They reacted to touch, sound, and light very early. We learn more about what takes place in the womb every day. We don't know what they feel or think."

Post # 215527

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0SOT21...

You saw the heartbeat around 5 weeks. This post is where you said it. I refuted it. Do wish me to prove anything else you've said?
STILL OCB

Kissimmee, FL

#217655 Apr 27, 2012
Grunt56 wrote:
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Sure she does, if she can find enough people that agree with her. That's the beauty of America.
And the beauty of America has much to do with our Constitutional rights.

"Abortion and Privacy

Supreme Court views abortion as a "privacy right" and a "liberty claim"
Abortion is protected by the Fourteenth Amendment, informed by the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth, and Ninth Amendments"

http://www.shmoop.com/right-to-privacy/aborti...

"Privacy Rights and Personal Autonomy

The U.S Constitution safeguards the rights of Americans to privacy and personal autonomy. Although the Constitution does not explicitly provide for such rights, the U.S. Supreme Court has interpreted the Constitution protect these rights, specifically in the areas of marriage, procreation, abortion, private consensual homosexual activity, and medical treatment.

State and federal laws may limit some of these rights to privacy, as long as the restrictions meet tests that the Supreme Court has set forth, each involving a balancing of an individual's right to privacy against the state's compelling interests. Such compelling interests include protecting public morality and the health of its citizens and improving the quality of life."

http://www.justia.com/constitutional-law/docs...

Yep- we agree on that much- the beauty of America which includes our Constitutional right to privacy which our Supreme Court has ruled includes abortion.
Lyndi

Sarasota, FL

#217656 Apr 27, 2012
Grunt56 wrote:
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Do you need a class on how to not get pregnant?
Yeah, how does the sperm get in there anyway?
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#217657 Apr 27, 2012
Then you must have things repeated to you often. Do you usually have to have things you've said pointed out to you?
And gee, you still haven't answered my question. The question you asked me was answered in my original post (in stating that I did what I could to try to prevent pregnancy, but you've asked me twice if I knew how NOT to get pregnant.)
Buddy, just admit you're in over your head. You're fooling no one but yourself. ESPECIALLY since you won't answer my questions. That speaks VOLUMES.
Grunt56 wrote:
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Sometimes when talking to really slow people, you have to repeat yourself many times before they get it. Repetition is a great learning tool.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#217658 Apr 27, 2012
And I just posted yet ANOTHER link to ANOTHER post where you accuse pro-choicers and those who choose abortions as criminals. You even USE THE WORD CRIMINAL. How are you going to get out of that one, grunt old boy? You don't want to play with me, you won't win.
Grunt56 wrote:
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No you didn't. Claiming something is true doesn't make it so.
If your point is so weak you must lie, why continue to support it?

Since: Apr 12

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#217659 Apr 27, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
I see you're going to your standard go to reply when you have no other reply to back up your claims. Trust me, except for one or two people here, we ALL know that it's you who has the lack of an education. And obviously a job. How is that welfare working out for you, Mr. Responsibility. You're a joke.<quoted text>
Projection

Since: Apr 12

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#217660 Apr 27, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
Another accusation of criminal activity by Grunt:
"So, let's tally the score, shall we?
Thus far, every single baby killer has completely abandoned their position and resorted to lies and personal attacks.
I guess we've established where the low brow intellect lies.
Let's see if there is an intelligent baby killer that can pick up the ball where these to criminals have left off."
Post # 215810
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0SOT21...
Criminal activity? We've done this before, but as I've stated, repetition is the best learning tool for the slower people.

FACT: Fetus is an unborn baby.
FACT: Abortion kills a fetus.
FACT: Abortion kills an unborn baby.

It's a simple logic chain. They teach those in elementary school.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Walled Lake, MI

#217661 Apr 27, 2012
STILL OCB wrote:
<quoted text>I doubt he will respond to this post.
I've noticed that he never responds to ANY posts with HARD questions or questions that would cause him to admit his stance is unreasonable in any way at all.
Again- control issues........
I've noticed that as well...

Since: Apr 12

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#217662 Apr 27, 2012
Roadrunner wrote:
Here we go:
"I have twins. I followed their development from 5 weeks. We saw the heartbeat around then. I watched them grow, move, dream, fight in the womb, kick, stretch, etc. They were developing people. They reacted to touch, sound, and light very early. We learn more about what takes place in the womb every day. We don't know what they feel or think."
Post # 215527
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0SOT21...
You saw the heartbeat around 5 weeks. This post is where you said it. I refuted it. Do wish me to prove anything else you've said?
Then you proved me right with your own post.

Thanks for the help, but I've got it.
Roadrunner

Perry, MI

#217663 Apr 27, 2012
He is TOO FUNNY! Accusing me of lying, WHEN I POST LINKS TO BACK UP WHAT I SAID HE HAS SAID! And then he denies it!

Okay, back on topic. Abortion is legal, has been for 39 years, will remain so, and any amount of whining, lying or crying is not going to change that fact. There is no "baby" involved in an abortion, and if it's not your uterus, it's not your choice. Very cut and dry.
STILL OCB

Kissimmee, FL

#217664 Apr 27, 2012
Grunt56 wrote:
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Sure she does, if she can find enough people that agree with her. That's the beauty of America.
"The Right to Abortion
In Roe v. Wade, 410 U.S. 113 (1973), the Supreme Court found a fundamental right of privacy under the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court interpreted this right to cover women seeking to terminate their pregnancies, but only before a fetus is viable outside the womb. This period is generally the first trimester of a pregnancy. Accordingly, the government must justify any limit it places on abortions by providing a compelling state interest. Once a fetus is viable outside of the womb, the state's compelling interest in preventing abortion and protecting the life of the mother outweighs a mother's personal autonomy.

While states cannot prohibit abortions during the first trimester, they can regulate abortions within that state as long as the restrictions do not create an "undue burden" on a woman's ability to obtain an abortion. Courts then often have to decide which limitations constitute an undue burden. For example, courts have held that a requirement for a 24-hour waiting period for an abortion is not an undue burden, nor is a requirement that abortions be performed by licensed physicians. Courts have struck down spousal consent and notification laws as unconstitutional, but have permitted some parental notification regulations. Also, courts have ruled that the right to abortion is an individual privacy right, and the government does not have to provide or pay for abortions."

http://www.justia.com/constitutional-law/docs...

Yep- the beauty of America in action via our Constitution- I couldn't agree with you more!

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