Anti-faith language remains in stimul...

Anti-faith language remains in stimulus package

There are 182 comments on the The Chronicle - Kansas Edition story from Feb 7, 2009, titled Anti-faith language remains in stimulus package. In it, The Chronicle - Kansas Edition reports that:

The U.S. Senate has taken action that could mean a legal battle royal over the stimulus bill.

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Jim

Grand Junction, CO

#1 Feb 8, 2009
Obama seems to be living up to his ANTI CHRIST label. He wants to kick all worship off colleges that get Govt. funding. All renovations used with stimulous money can not have any religious groups using them. It's unconstitional. He is very sick EVIL.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx...

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Jim

Grand Junction, CO

#2 Feb 8, 2009
Usually people of faith are more honest, helping, generous, and volunteer workers. Some of the things Obama is calling America to have a spirit of service. So I wonder WHY OBAMA DEMANDS A STOP to any religous gatherings in any facility he has the slightest control over. Faith based groups on campus are great, Anti Christ don't want em. HE IS EVIL. He might not be the "anti christ" but he definetly is anti Christian. Just another lie he said he was a Christian. He's not Christian. He said he was not a terrorist or muslim. But he sides whith terrorsts Like Bill Ayers and Gitmo detaniees. I could go on about his lies. EVIL EVIL EVIL we have been had.

Now why would stimuls package have anryting to do with Faith. It don't. It's stimulous, its a spending spree, payback to his supporters, rip off. He threw the anti Christian stuff in their for the Devil?
She Be Me

United States

#3 Feb 8, 2009
What happened to the 1st Amendment?
Concerned U S Citizen

Brighton, CO

#4 Feb 8, 2009
Tentative Stimulus Deal Does Not Include E-Verify Protections for American Jobs

Updated Saturday, February 7, 2009, 3:45 PM

Late Friday night, Senate Majority Leader Reid (D-Nev.) announced a tentative deal to secure passage of the Stimulus bill in cooperation with the limited number of Republican Senators involved in negotiations. Senators subsequently worked on a handful of amendments Friday night, but SA 239, an amendment that would protect American workers by requiring local governments and businesses to use E-Verify if they get Stimulus money, was not included in the list.

Shortly after Sen. Reid's announcement, Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.) questioned him about whether SA 239 would be heard. Reid could not elaborate. While it is difficult to believe that Senate leaders might insist that ILLEGAL aliens have the same chance at new Stimulus jobs as unemployed American workers, this scenario may now be at hand. SA 239 is now unlikely to receive a floor vote.

After the Senate adjourns today, it will resume debate on H.R. 1 on Monday, Feb. 9, at 1 p.m. A vote is expected at 5:30 p.m. on the amendment containing the "compromise" stimulus deal. A vote on final passage is scheduled at Noon on Tuesday, Feb. 10...

URGENT - FLOOD YOUR SENATORS OFFICES WITH FAXES AND PHONE CALLS!!

THIS MONEY IS OUR MONEY AND MUST BE USED FOR AMERICAN WORKERS!

SEND FREE FAXES TO YOUR SENATORS AT:

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Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#5 Feb 8, 2009
Jim wrote:
Obama seems to be living up to his ANTI CHRIST label. He wants to kick all worship off colleges that get Govt. funding. All renovations used with stimulous money can not have any religious groups using them. It's unconstitional. He is very sick EVIL.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx...
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.as...
If you read the bill carefully, you'll see that the exceptions are for religious organizations and that the exceptions only prohibit building places of worship with stimulus cash.

Personally, I DON'T want my money going to already tax exempt religious organizations OR being used to build churches.

The site you linked was a christian web site too, so no doubt that the christians are crying over not getting more money to build more churches to brainwash people.
1SPOOK

AOL

#6 Feb 8, 2009
Jim wrote:
Obama seems to be living up to his ANTI CHRIST label. He wants to kick all worship off colleges that get Govt. funding. All renovations used with stimulous money can not have any religious groups using them. It's unconstitional. He is very sick EVIL.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Legal/Default.aspx...
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.as...
Religions and their institutions are to be supported by those who practice their faith - not the Federal Government.

In addition, "taking worship off of all college campuses" is incorrect. Many private colleges are faith based and chosen for that reason, alone - look at Boston COllege, Providence COllege, Fairfiled University, BYU, etc......

In addition, this is NOT a "Christian based and founded country" - it has been, by and large, a Christian denomination dominated country, but that is entirely different. It is a country that exercises FREEDOM OF WORSHIP.

The Extreme Religious Right in the country has been as destructive and fracturing to our society as has the greed and corruption of the corporate whores, imo.

People need to become more PRIVATE and PERSONAL about their worship and become more VOCAL and INVOLVED in their communities as a whole - regardless of gender, religion, political affiliation and ethnicity.

AMERICA should be PROUD of their diversity - we should be honored to be the example of how GOOD and FEXLIBLE and RESPECTFUL people and a society and a DEMOCRACY can be.

I will tell you - when I was in the city (NYC), almost a year ago, when the crane (70 stories high) collapsed and pure mayhem broke loose - it fell straight through a whole block long set of buildings from 51st to 50th street. People were killed and it was FAR TOO remenicent of 9/11 - many thought it was another bomb just by the noise, jolt and extreme, thick as molasses soot that immediately filled the streets - I was with my 76 yr old mother and 13 yr old daughter.

NO ONE - Not ONE person - stopped to check religion, political affiliation, color, nationality (I helped an Italian gentleman)....emergency services were there, set up and rescuing within less then 2 minutes and, before then, it was all of us - just random people - just being human.

THAT'S what its all about.

Did you know the Captain of the flight that went down in the Hudson walked that entire plane TWICE before he was the LAST to exit the craft?

People CAN be good - being good, yourself, and less hateful, inherently brings that out in others.

jmo
Jim

Grand Junction, CO

#7 Feb 8, 2009
You are WRONG and LIARS. Govt. money is not used to build churches. This Stimulus package money if used at a State funded University facility. That facility can't hold no faith based gatherings at the facility. So what does stopping Campus Crusade for Christ (for example)from gathering have to do with MAKING JOBS and stimulating the economy??? It has nothing!!!! so why is it in their??? It has everything to do with Anti Christian ideology. Thats what Obama stands for Anti Christian. Is he a Muslim???? Or is he the Anti Christ?
Jim

Grand Junction, CO

#8 Feb 8, 2009
She Be Me wrote:
What happened to the 1st Amendment?
That is the "Change" Berry Hussain Obama was talking about . "Change" to the Constitution. Obama is trying to stop our freedom of assembly at out Universties.
The SNAKE Obama is sneaking this into a stimulus bill. The devil was a liar from the beginning. He is the master of lies.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#9 Feb 8, 2009
scambuster wrote:
<quoted text>
If you read the bill carefully, you'll see that the exceptions are for religious organizations and that the exceptions only prohibit building places of worship with stimulus cash.
Personally, I DON'T want my money going to already tax exempt religious organizations OR being used to build churches.
The site you linked was a christian web site too, so no doubt that the christians are crying over not getting more money to build more churches to brainwash people.
Excellent post.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#10 Feb 8, 2009
Jim wrote:
You are WRONG and LIARS. Govt. money is not used to build churches. This Stimulus package money if used at a State funded University facility. That facility can't hold no faith based gatherings at the facility. So what does stopping Campus Crusade for Christ (for example)from gathering have to do with MAKING JOBS and stimulating the economy??? It has nothing!!!! so why is it in their??? It has everything to do with Anti Christian ideology. Thats what Obama stands for Anti Christian. Is he a Muslim???? Or is he the Anti Christ?
No, Ted Haggard is.

Since: Sep 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL.

#11 Feb 8, 2009
Jim wrote:
You are WRONG and LIARS. Govt. money is not used to build churches. This Stimulus package money if used at a State funded University facility. That facility can't hold no faith based gatherings at the facility. So what does stopping Campus Crusade for Christ (for example)from gathering have to do with MAKING JOBS and stimulating the economy??? It has nothing!!!! so why is it in their??? It has everything to do with Anti Christian ideology. Thats what Obama stands for Anti Christian. Is he a Muslim???? Or is he the Anti Christ?
Funding that is provided to a school for religious purposes are funds that also have to be available to individuals of every faith (Or non-believers).

This type of funding is not part of the stimulus package because its money that will not be used for stimulating the economy or job creation and that is what the stimulus package is supposed to be for.

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#12 Feb 8, 2009
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
That is the "Change" Berry Hussain Obama was talking about . "Change" to the Constitution. Obama is trying to stop our freedom of assembly at out Universties.
The SNAKE Obama is sneaking this into a stimulus bill. The devil was a liar from the beginning. He is the master of lies.
Nah, fundamentalist christians are liars. You're too wrapped up in your bloody armageddon fantasies to be able to tell the truth.
Jeff

United States

#13 Feb 8, 2009
LOL Well OK I'm getting beat up on this thread with no back up. But I'm right your wrong. Time will prove that Obama just isn't right. He is so far evil left that all of America will see just how screwed up Radical Liberal Extreemists are. For that will be Obamas legacy. "Nation shifts right during Obamas Presidency."

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#14 Feb 8, 2009
Jeff wrote:
LOL Well OK I'm getting beat up on this thread with no back up. But I'm right your wrong. Time will prove that Obama just isn't right. He is so far evil left that all of America will see just how screwed up Radical Liberal Extreemists are. For that will be Obamas legacy. "Nation shifts right during Obamas Presidency."
So you evaluate your own posts? Time proved George was not right. At least give Obama a couple of more weeks.
MadMaxThunderDom e

New York, NY

#15 Feb 9, 2009
Separation of Church and State if you have a problem with that move to a theocratical country like Saudi Arabia.
Jim

United States

#16 Feb 9, 2009
MadMaxThunderDome wrote:
Separation of Church and State if you have a problem with that move to a theocratical country like Saudi Arabia.
Were is your seperation of church and state? is it in the constitution?

I know we do have freedom of religion. You all like to interpet that as freedom from religion.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/const...

United States Constitution
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

See what it says. Govt. can't pick a church or start a favorite church.
Also The 1st amendment in the Bill of rights says the Govt. does not have the right to hinder the free exercise or assembley of belivers or non belivers or muslims or whatever.

Obamas attempt to hinder assembley of belivers is Unconstitutional.

Obama promised "Change" ya change the Constitution.
Jim

United States

#17 Feb 9, 2009
I'll be looking for your answer. Where do you get your seperation of Church and State and the interpetation of that.
I think it only means no Govt. run church. But the Constitution specificaly says the Govt. can't hinder assembley of people. Read the Constitution Bill of Rights.
Why do you Liberals keep wanting to take away our Constitutional rights??????? It makes no sense!!! Except if you bring the Anti Christian ideology into the mix. Than it makes perfect sense.
But see this is free country. If you want to go to a Govt. controlled Country pick one Russia China etc... I don't want to live in a Theocracey either. I just want freedom. Not Govt. controlled restrictions on assemnbley.

Since: Oct 07

Location hidden

#18 Feb 9, 2009
Jim wrote:
<quoted text>
Were is your seperation of church and state? is it in the constitution?
I know we do have freedom of religion. You all like to interpet that as freedom from religion.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/const...
United States Constitution
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
See what it says. Govt. can't pick a church or start a favorite church.
Also The 1st amendment in the Bill of rights says the Govt. does not have the right to hinder the free exercise or assembley of belivers or non belivers or muslims or whatever.
Obamas attempt to hinder assembley of belivers is Unconstitutional.
Obama promised "Change" ya change the Constitution.
Doesn't freedom of religion also guarantee separation of church and state? Government has no business in religious affairs and vice versa. If you want that, go join the taliban.

To quote Thomas Jefferson:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State"

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#19 Feb 9, 2009
Jim wrote:
I'll be looking for your answer. Where do you get your seperation of Church and State and the interpetation of that.
I think it only means no Govt. run church. But the Constitution specificaly says the Govt. can't hinder assembley of people. Read the Constitution Bill of Rights.
Why do you Liberals keep wanting to take away our Constitutional rights??????? It makes no sense!!! Except if you bring the Anti Christian ideology into the mix. Than it makes perfect sense.
But see this is free country. If you want to go to a Govt. controlled Country pick one Russia China etc... I don't want to live in a Theocracey either. I just want freedom. Not Govt. controlled restrictions on assemnbley.
You can believe what you want, just as I can. I just don't think the taxpayers should pay for it.
Jim

United States

#20 Feb 9, 2009
Thats what I thought. Thank you. Seperation of Church and State only means no Govt. ran church. Period. But the Consistitution protcts right of assembley. I don't care what Obama says, we can assemble.

Why do Radical Liberal Extreemist want to take away our rithts??????????

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