Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#608730 Nov 20, 2013
The earliest surviving manuscripts of James date to the mid-to-late third century. Long after Paul was dead.

McCartney, Dan G (2009). Robert W Yarbrough and Robert H Stein, ed. Baker Exegetical Commentary on the New Testament: James. Grand Rapids: Baker Academic

“"None shall pass"”

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#608732 Nov 20, 2013
All Hail Paul Almighty!

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#608733 Nov 20, 2013
"But those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles, they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint." (Isaiah 40:31) We can rely on God. He can be counted on. God will give us the grace we need, when we need it. Through prayer, we can receive patience and strength, as we continue to trust in Him. God has not abandoned you. And He never will.
*Lifelover

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#608736 Nov 20, 2013
God promises that the way to grow into the image of Christ is by trusting and obeying in all circumstances.

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#608737 Nov 20, 2013
THE BOOK OF SATAN

II

1. Behold the crucifix; what does it symbolize? Pallid incompetence hanging on a tree.

2. I question all things. As I stand before the festering and varnished facades of your haughtiest moral dogmas, I write thereon in letters of blazing scorn: Lo and behold; all this is fraud!

3. Gather around me, Oh! ye death-defiant, and the earth itself shall be thine, to have and to hold!

4. Too long the dead hand has been permitted to sterilize living thought!

5. Too long right and wrong, good and evil have been inverted by false prophets!

6. No creed must be accepted upon authority of a "divine" nature. Religions must be put to the question. No moral dogma must be taken for granted - no standard of measurement deified. There is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes. Like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, and what man has made, man can destroy!

7. He that is slow to believe anything and everything is of great understanding, for belief in one false principle is the beginning of all unwisdom.

8. The chief duty of every new age is to upraise new men to determine its liberties, to lead it towards material success - to rend the rusty padlocks and chains of dead custom that always prevent healthy expansion. Theories and ideas that may have meant life and hope and freedom for our ancestors may now mean destruction, slavery, and dishonor to us!

9. As environments change, no human ideal standeth sure!

10. Whenever, therefore, a lie has built unto itself a throne, let it be assailed without pity and without regret, for under the domination of an inconvenient falsehood, no one can prosper.

11. Let established sophisms be dethroned, rooted out, burnt and destroyed, for they are a standing menace to all true nobility of thought and action!

12. Whatever alleged "truth" is proven by results to be but an empty fiction, let it be unceremoniously flung into the outer darkness, among the dead gods, dead empires, dead philosophies, and other useless lumber and wreckage!

13. The most dangerous of all enthroned lies is the holy, the sanctified, the privileged lie - the lie everyone believes to be a model truth. It is the fruitful mother of all other popular errors and delusions. It is a hydra-headed tree of unreason with a thousand roots. It is a social cancer!

14. The lie that is known to be a lie is half eradicated, but the lie that even intelligent persons accept as fact - the lie that has been inculcated in a little child at its mother's knee - is more dangerous to contend against than a creeping pestilence!

15. Popular lies have ever been the most potent enemies of personal liberty. There is only one way to deal with them: Cut them out, to the very core, just as cancers. Exterminate them root and branch. Annihilate them, or they will us!

Catcher1

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#608741 Nov 20, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
All Hail Paul Almighty!
I agree, McCartney is about as good as they come.

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#608743 Nov 20, 2013
Matthew 7
(NIV)
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother,‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.

6 “Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Ask, Seek, Knock7 “Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8 For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

9 “Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11 If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.
The Narrow and Wide Gates
13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

True and False Prophets
15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

True and False Disciples
21 “Not everyone who says to me,‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day,‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly,‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
The Wise and Foolish Builders24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26 But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27 The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash.”

28 When Jesus had finished saying these things, the crowds were amazed at his teaching, 29 because he taught as one who had authority, and not as their teachers of the law.

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#608744 Nov 20, 2013
There you go folks, christians don't love their enemies either.

THE BOOK OF SATAN

III

1. "Love one another" it has been said is the supreme law, but what power made it so? Upon what rational authority does the gospel of love rest? Why should I not hate mine enemies - if I "love" them does that not place me at their mercy?

2. Is it natural for enemies to do good unto each other - and WHAT IS GOOD?

3. Can the torn and bloody victim "love" the blood-splashed jaws that rend him limb from limb?

4. Are we not all predatory animals by instinct? If humans ceased wholly from preying upon each other, could they continue to exist?

5. Is not "lust and carnal desire" a more truthful term to describe "love" when applied to the continuance of the race? Is not the "love" of the fawning scriptures simply a euphemism for sexual activity, or was the "great teacher" a glorifier of eunuchs?

6. Love your enemies and do good to them that hate and use you - is this not the despicable philosophy of the spaniel that rolls upon its back when kicked?

7. Hate your enemies with a whole heart, and if a man smite you on one cheek, SMASH him on the other!; smite him hip and thigh, for self-preservation is the highest law!

8. He who turns the other cheek is a cowardly dog!

9. Give blow for blow, scorn for scorn, doom for doom - with compound interest liberally added thereunto! Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, aye four-fold, a hundred-fold! Make yourself a Terror to your adversary, and when he goeth his way, he will possess much additional wisdom to ruminate over. Thus shall you make yourself respected in all the walks of life, and your spirit - your immortal spirit - shall live, not in an intangible paradise, but in the brains and sinews of those whose respect you have gained.

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#608746 Nov 20, 2013
Truths wrote:
God promises that the way to grow into the image of Christ is by trusting and obeying in all circumstances.
Santa promised he'd come through my chimney but I don't have a chimney.

Did Santa lie?

“"None shall pass"”

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#608748 Nov 20, 2013
Truths wrote:
God promises that the way to grow into the image of Christ is by trusting and obeying in all circumstances.
Obeying who? Constantine and Paul?

“"None shall pass"”

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#608749 Nov 20, 2013
"In the season of the Lord I shalt not fear the reaper, neither under the sun, nor the wind, nor the rain. I shalt live like He doth." -Adverbs 14:1-2

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#608750 Nov 20, 2013
"21. With each passing day in the Garden of Eden, the sun did shineth brilliantly and the warmth of the verdurous moss did comfort the feet of Adam and Eve. 22. Looking closely, however, it did appeareth thar was trouble in Paradise! 23. After Eve did bear the fruit of Adam's loins twice, with his sons Cain and Abel, she hath expressed to him no longer was there an interest for her in the intimate relations. The sinful cow hath dismissed her wifely duties! 24. After a great frustration, Adam did proclaim his divorce of her thereto! But suddenly the Lord's voice did boom from the Heavens, that this divorce hath become the Original Sin of mankind! 25. Nervous, Adam was, for committing this first of all sins, he did instruct his sons to go forth into the world and teacheth future generations that Original Sin hath come from their sinful mother, who disobeyed the Lord instead! Furthermore, the Lord's flock did always know this foretold reason as the Word, and it was good." -Segagenesis 5:21-25

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#608751 Nov 20, 2013
"1. From the streets to the pastures, in the kingdom of Israel, there layeth a disquiet among the people. The children of the Lord did so love the bounty of foodstuffs great and small, from as far as Phoenicia and Thebes! They were fearful of sinful gluttony, though groweth not in bigness did they at all. 2. Suddenly, the Lord spake:'Mine flock, knoweth that diet foodstuffs are an abonimation! Thou art eating and drinking sin, thus sin is eating and drinking thee! Repent, and be saved from empty calories!' 3. Once again, His flock did knoweth tidings of comfort and joy once again, and it was good." -Nutrisystemicon 2:1-3

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#608753 Nov 20, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I agree, McCartney is about as good as they come.
But Clapton is God.

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#608754 Nov 20, 2013
New Age Spiritual Leader wrote:
Happy Lesbo wrote:
.. seriously, why does the bible portray women as devils or harlots ??..
<quoted text>
Skom - that didn't answer her question.
Sure I did. In the very first sentence. More importantly I answered why she asked it.

Although if you want to speculate as to the mind and heart of the authors of the Bible you would have to be God to to so.

I can tell you while people focus on Paul, and I have heard the claims of misogynistic, there is more to consider than just the times. And that is what I would consider the foolishness of trying to sum a man up by the slimmest of glimpses into the subject.

If one were to look at verses that may seem particularly harsh towards women, Solomon actually has a verse with more bite in it than any and it would be:

Ecclesiastes 7:28
which I am still seeking but have not found. I have found one man among a thousand, but I have not found a woman among all these.

Yet the song of Solomon has some of the greatest writings of love I have ever seen.

"5Who is this coming up from the wilderness leaning on her beloved?
She Under the apple tree I roused you;there your mother conceived you,there she who was in labor gave you birth.6Place me like a seal over your heart,like a seal on your arm;for love is as strong as death,its jealousya unyielding as the grave.It burns like blazing fire,like a mighty flame.7Many waters cannot quench love;
rivers cannot sweep it away.If one were to give all the wealth of one’s house for love,it would be utterly scorned."

So would you presume yourself an expert on Salomon's heart based on Ecclesiastes 7:28? Would you look at the bigger picture? Or might you even decide how could you possibly have enough information to know the heart of a man?

I don't know how much you believe the Bible or if you do some parts and not others. I have never really had reason to ask and really don't have a reason I need to know. But I can tell you when people tend to ask questions like these, that seem to want to disparage or question parts of it, I can tell you I trust God. I trust in His message. I trust in how He chose to share it. It does not matter to me if others do not or how they view it. We all walk our own paths

(T) Peace

“"None shall pass"”

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#608756 Nov 20, 2013
The Song of Solomon is indeed a beautiful love poem.

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#608757 Nov 20, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
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Santa promised he'd come through my chimney but I don't have a chimney.
Did Santa lie?
I would like to ask you a serious question. Even consider it rhetorical if you want. And it is not meant as an attack but simply something to consider.

There are Christians you used to talk to which you no longer do. People have gone their own ways. That is just life sometimes. And this group that you are friends with now is something you seem to enjoy. So that is obviously a good thing. People don't support each other in rooms and t-mail each other unless they get along. I would imagine they like you simply for who you are and not what you claim to believe.

Because if we are being completely honest and blunt here, I doubt they think you are suddenly some hard-core anti-Christian any more than the Christians now believe you used to be some hard-core pro-Christian. So why it the point? You certainly don't need to do it to curry favor. I am just hoping you think about it. Because I think you are just hurting yourself. You don't want people to have to pretend because nobody wants to say anything about the elephant in the room. And you can be friends with people simply because you are friends with them. This Topix prerequisite that people think exists that one must take on the enemies of others to be friends with someone is just silly.

I would think the fact that you were friends with people in both groups would show it is more about you than what you are claiming to believe. So I say this not only because I think it is true and is good advice but also because patience is not unlimited. But people are trying to be understanding. Way more than you probably know or would believe or give them credit for. Anyway, just food for thought. Maybe

(T) Peace

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#608758 Nov 20, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
The Song of Solomon is indeed a beautiful love poem.
Yep

Powerful stuff

It got me thinking in general to, not even just about the Bible. What might a man with a broken heart write? Would it give us a complete picture of all his thoughts? And different might his writings be if made 10 years prior or ten years later? Especially if personal circumstances changed?

And how much might he tailor a message to an audience?

Especially if he was known to do just that?

There are lots of things to consider. Although to me, the biggest one is simply we can't know the heart of another. Most certainly of someone whom we have never met. The best we can hope to do is make an educated guess. And even then, what purpose would it serve?

But back to the songs, yeah just a classic regardless of specific belief just because of the writing itself

(T) Peace

Catcher1

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#608760 Nov 20, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I would like to ask you a serious question. Even consider it rhetorical if you want. And it is not meant as an attack but simply something to consider.
There are Christians you used to talk to which you no longer do. People have gone their own ways. That is just life sometimes. And this group that you are friends with now is something you seem to enjoy. So that is obviously a good thing. People don't support each other in rooms and t-mail each other unless they get along. I would imagine they like you simply for who you are and not what you claim to believe.
Because if we are being completely honest and blunt here, I doubt they think you are suddenly some hard-core anti-Christian any more than the Christians now believe you used to be some hard-core pro-Christian. So why it the point? You certainly don't need to do it to curry favor. I am just hoping you think about it. Because I think you are just hurting yourself. You don't want people to have to pretend because nobody wants to say anything about the elephant in the room. And you can be friends with people simply because you are friends with them. This Topix prerequisite that people think exists that one must take on the enemies of others to be friends with someone is just silly.
I would think the fact that you were friends with people in both groups would show it is more about you than what you are claiming to believe. So I say this not only because I think it is true and is good advice but also because patience is not unlimited. But people are trying to be understanding. Way more than you probably know or would believe or give them credit for. Anyway, just food for thought. Maybe
(T) Peace
Luci is a good person.

She has done no harm to anyone here.

You really should leave her alone.

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#608761 Nov 20, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>
I would like to ask you a serious question. Even consider it rhetorical if you want. And it is not meant as an attack but simply something to consider.
There are Christians you used to talk to which you no longer do. People have gone their own ways. That is just life sometimes. And this group that you are friends with now is something you seem to enjoy. So that is obviously a good thing. People don't support each other in rooms and t-mail each other unless they get along. I would imagine they like you simply for who you are and not what you claim to believe.
Because if we are being completely honest and blunt here, I doubt they think you are suddenly some hard-core anti-Christian any more than the Christians now believe you used to be some hard-core pro-Christian. So why it the point? You certainly don't need to do it to curry favor. I am just hoping you think about it. Because I think you are just hurting yourself. You don't want people to have to pretend because nobody wants to say anything about the elephant in the room. And you can be friends with people simply because you are friends with them. This Topix prerequisite that people think exists that one must take on the enemies of others to be friends with someone is just silly.
I would think the fact that you were friends with people in both groups would show it is more about you than what you are claiming to believe. So I say this not only because I think it is true and is good advice but also because patience is not unlimited. But people are trying to be understanding. Way more than you probably know or would believe or give them credit for. Anyway, just food for thought. Maybe
(T) Peace
So, what's the question?

I don't see a question, just some slightly condescending 'advice' based on possible assumptions.

You seem to assume I care what topix posters think of me and or my posts. I don't.
You seem to assume I post to carry favor. I don't.
You also, continuously, fail to or pretend to fail to, comprehend the fact that my leaving the church was a very public and gradual thing that happened, in part, right here.

As for my reasons and or levels of belief and or disbelief, I share that information as I care to and with whom I choose.

I've made friends here, sure I have, I don't box them into groups because I don't feel the need to, just like I don't feel the need to box myself into any particular 'group'.

I will also point out that the friends I made here and kept, don't care what I believe. That rules out a lot of christians, both in topix and out in the world.

I do care for my friends, am just built that way. I also care about some issues that are very damaging to people.

If you have a question, feel free to ask or perhaps point out where I missed your question.

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