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Skombolis wrote:
And police ourselves? We aren't a policing agency. No Christian has any legal authority over another Christian and can't control what a tiny, tiny, percentage do.
Don't be intentionally obtuse and play semantic word meaning games. It doesn't work for RR, it won't work for you, either.

You claim to not police other Christians, and yet you consistently "try" to police <> LeLe, and have tried in the past to do so with people such as Luci, Annie, and others, that seemed to be in doubt if they were or were not Christians... Perhaps you affected their final decision.

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You consistently attempt to define what Christianity means to other Christians, and non Christians too.

That's policing.

Hypocrisy, double standards and doublespeak, this is becoming the legacy of Skombolis.

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NO matter how much spin you want to put on it, it comes down to this:
"the actions of a few members within Christianity, taints the whole of Christianity."THAT is stereotyping
No, that is an observation.

Those actions taint Christianity. You seem to forget you have an "official" doctrine, outlined in the bible, and further, doctrines within and along denominational lines.

So, when Christians do something that blatantly and directly contradict or conflict with that publicly stated and written down doctrinal outline, that taints the message of Christianity.

Notice, if some Christians exhibit racism, misogyny, violent behaviors and other such contradictory actions, does not mean that it applies to all Christians, IE; It does not mean all Christians are thought to be the same.

It simply means that some Christians, no matter what is stated in your religious text and doctrinal outlines, do not follow that, and in turn, that, reflects upon all of Christianity, which claims to have a superior moral approach to living life and being superior components of society or civilization.
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How much denial can someone come up with to pretend otherwise?
I dunno, you try awfully hard. We'll see.

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I have more of a basis to say it is more likely a gay scout member will abuse a child because I have actually seen it happen more than once in real life.
Supply that personally viewed experience, establish the person was gay, but not a pedophile.
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Show me where the post in question has been replicated by another Christian. Then explain how it is connected to Christians that had nothing to do with it?
I'm not really asking because you will continue to play these games. There are only two possibilities here. You don't understand what stereotyping is. Or you aren't being honest
There's another option, the one you want to ignore.

I'm not stereotyping.
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And considering I have asked you that Muslim question 3 times now without a direct answer from you, I'm leaning towards not honest
And I just bet the reason is at some point on Topix you have gotten on Christians for connecting all Mums to 9-11 and you know if you say the same your credibility is out the window
But maybe I am wrong and you stereotype all people of faith
Are all muslims tainted by 9-11?
As I pointed out earlier, I've already gave my position concerning that issue.

Ask 50 additional times, and my position will not change unless you can illustrate to me why I should consider doing so.

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Skombolis wrote:
I also never said gay men are more likely to be pedophiles
And I said nothing about a scout leader being atheist or agnostic
So how did you get off on two unrelated tangents?
They aren't unrelated, as you'll see.
Skombolis wrote:
This is about perception making stereotyping ok
I'm not stereotyping, although you will be doing that in the next few sentences/paragraphs.
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So if people see a gay scout leader molest a kid and that's what they now connect in their mind to gay scout leaders, then all gay scout leaders are tainted by the actions of a few
That's how it works right?
You're quite predictable.

Here's why I supplied that additional information.

The Boy Scouts of America do not hire atheists, and agnostics. This means they are a theistic organization, and further, it also logically dictates due to being an American(USA) organization, predominantly Christian.

They also do not hire homosexuals.

So what we have is a theist, predominantly Christian organization that does not employ atheists, agnostics, or homosexuals.

And yet there were cases of pedophilia within that organization.

Theist pedophiles were employed by the Boy Scouts of America.

Does that mean all Scout leaders were pedophiles? No. Does it taint the image of the Boy Scouts of America? Yes.

Does it taint Christianity as well? Yes, due to it(BOA) being a theistic and predominantly Christian organization.

That's unfortunate, but a result.

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Skombolis wrote:
There doesn't have to be an actual connection. They don't have to share the same views or proclivities or opinions or desires or morals or beliefs. They just have to belong to the same group so that common association will allow people to connect other things that aren't related.
Nope, that's not what I've ever said.

Christian message <> Christians <> Two different concepts.

You did make that statement, however, in regards to Boy Scouts of America.

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You see a Christian do something bad. Regardless if it has anything to do with actual Christian ideology or what other Christians actually think, you claim it taints all of them
No, it taints the message of Christianity.

That's all it does. If a Christian exhibits racism, and even goes as far as supplying biblical verses supporting his stance, does not mean I think all Christians are racists, nevertheless, the message of Christianity has been affected, corrupted...tainted.

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Sep 26, 2013
 
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Hey Lar......:-)
Did you see the historical area of Georgetown SC burned down yesterday....Sad.....(Georgeto wn is 50 miles from Charleston)
Ians wasn't the only reason.....It was all the fighting and same old fights every day...day after day. I went to visit my Grandkids and just enjoyed the time away...
I'm glad you came back.

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Skombolis wrote:
So the same should be true for gay scout leaders that abuse kids.
You mean pedophiles.
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The only connection is the Boy Scouts. It doesn't matter that being gay and a pedophile may be two separate things and that it has nothing to do with Boy Scout ideology. Isn't matter that other gay scout leaders would never molest a child. They can be connected by a shared association therefore they are all tainted

Per your rationale
No, that's not my rationale, that's your rationale.

Your rationale extends that to mean all Scout leaders are connected to being pedophiles.

My rationale would be; When a Scout leader is found to be a pedophile, that taints the image of the Boy Scouts of America.

That doesn't mean I would suspect all Scout leaders of being pedophiles. It means the organization, Boy Scouts Of America, had failed in it's message, intent and clearly stated outcome or intended result.

And so it is with Christianity.

When pedophilia, child abuse and abuse is evidenced within the Catholic clergy, or Protestant ministry, or by members of either and all versions of Christianity, it taints the message of Christianity.

It doesn't mean I think all Christians are pedophiles, child abusers, abusers, or racists, misogynists, et al.

It's simple.

It just means Christianity has been tainted. The message has been damaged. The claim to having a superior moral discipline or conduct based upon the Christian doctrine or message is cast into doubt.

Christianity has been tainted by the actions of admittedly, less than exemplary Christians.

The claims to having a superior deity given and directed moral imperative, otherwise known as the message of Christianity, has been blemished, cast into doubt, tainted.

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River Tam wrote:
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I'm glad you came back.
I never left.

And yet, I returned.
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waaasssuuup wrote:
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if it's true that certain soldiers are refusing to bow the knee to antichrist socialism and sharia law, then i am glad that there is bright spot in an otherwise dark situation - thanks for the encouragement!:)
Not thing to do with religion wars, our US used one of many propaganda tools like religion to riled up our brainwashed US populace nationalist prides to support our greedy US leaders PNAC goal, the War-for-profiteering agendas and USD/OIL Hegemony and other ill US money global hegemonic agendas - ever hear US MANIFEST DESTINY? U been take to cleaners by corrupted /greedy US leaders agendas. You so undereducated and ignorant and easily molded to support evil agendas. We invaded other nations , no wonder they hate our US!

Read up religious grunt!

John Stockwell, ex-CIA (From his books, speeches...
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It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, and to propagandize and teach the American people to hate, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms.

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Sep 26, 2013
 
JONATHAN SWIFT (1667-1745) Irish satirist Dean of St Patrick's
Thoughts on Various Subjects (1706)
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We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.

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River Tam wrote:
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I'm glad you came back.
Thanks Friend.....

Guess what my 20 year old grandaughter is thinking of getting into?....Mortuary Science....(Work at a Funeral Home)

I told her "Well...you'll always have business"
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Sep 26, 2013
 
lil whispers wrote:
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Continued;
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: Theses things saith he that is holy , he that is true, he that hath the key of David, the that openeth and no man shutteth; and shutteth and no man openeth.
I know thy works behold I have set before thee an open door and no man can shut it; for thou hast a little strength and hast kept my word and hast not denied my name.
Behold I will make them of the synagogue of Satan which say they are Jew and are not but do lie: behold I will make them to come and worship before thy feet and to know that I have loved thee.
Because thou has kept the word of my patience I also will keep three from the hour of temptation which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Behold I come quickly: hold fast which thou hast that no man take thy crown.
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which is new Jerusalem which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Letter to Philadelphia.
BWHAHHAHaaa

JONATHAN EDWARDS (1703-1758) Colonial American Calvinist, theologian, president of Princeton University
Quoted in The American Treasury, ed. Clifton Fadiman, 1955
'Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God," sermon (1741)


"The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked; his wrath towards you burns like fire; ... he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venemous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Brilliant insight!
Here this Christian is (falsely) accusing us of judging all of Christendom based on the actions of one person, which is exactly what his god allegedly did.
Then the response back equates to:

"That has a metaphorical meaning"

The cognitive dissonance exhibited there is astounding.

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Sep 26, 2013
 
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Top 'O the Morning to ya...
“Adventure is worthwhile in itself.”
~ Amelia Earhart
Thought for the day
I have always agreed with that outlook.

Sometimes the best ones are never planned, have no intended destination, and you just have to grab them as they present themselves.

That's how it is for me, anyway.

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BenAdam wrote:
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I do.
I like many Christians here and even admire a few.
I have respect for Christians here, too.

The strange thing is the ones I have respect for, many of the Christians I have little respect for, dislike the Christians I respect.
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UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Not thing to do with religion wars, our US used one of many propaganda tools like religion to riled up our brainwashed US populace nationalist prides to support our greedy US leaders PNAC goal, the War-for-profiteering agendas and USD/OIL Hegemony and other ill US money global hegemonic agendas - ever hear US MANIFEST DESTINY? U been take to cleaners by corrupted /greedy US leaders agendas. You so undereducated and ignorant and easily molded to support evil agendas. We invaded other nations , no wonder they hate our US!
Read up religious grunt!
John Stockwell, ex-CIA (From his books, speeches...
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It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, and to propagandize and teach the American people to hate, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms.
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Mary Roberts Rinehart
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I hate those men who would send into war youth to fight and die for them; the pride and cowardice of those old men, making their wars that boys must die.

“Love much, trust none”

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Sep 26, 2013
 
scaritual wrote:
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I have respect for Christians here, too.
The strange thing is the ones I have respect for, many of the Christians I have little respect for, dislike the Christians I respect.
That has been my experience as well.
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Sep 26, 2013
 
Thomas della Peruta

Our (American) children are not born to hate, they are raised to hate.

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It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Jesus, you're a stupid man.
Do you know what stereotyping is? I'll tell you what it's not: It's not formulating an opinion about the nature of an idea or other abstraction by observing actual people and modifying ones opinion with each new instance. If I read and interview a thousand Christians over the course of several years on Topix, and each one contributes a small part to my total understanding of what it is and what it does - some tainting it with their behavior, some not - then I have done an informal study and drawn conclusions based on evidence.
You taint your religion. Trifecta taints it. Shrink taints it. Red Apples taints it. Is that stereotyping either any of you or Christianity? No, it's not.
Like it or not, you are each ambassadors for your faith.
"A thousand people cannot convince one by words to the extent that one person can convince a thousand by action." - From the Zoroastrian Avesta, 2nd millennium BCE.

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