Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#595886 Sep 26, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
I also never said gay men are more likely to be pedophiles
And I said nothing about a scout leader being atheist or agnostic
So how did you get off on two unrelated tangents?
They aren't unrelated, as you'll see.
Skombolis wrote:
This is about perception making stereotyping ok
I'm not stereotyping, although you will be doing that in the next few sentences/paragraphs.
Skombolis wrote:
So if people see a gay scout leader molest a kid and that's what they now connect in their mind to gay scout leaders, then all gay scout leaders are tainted by the actions of a few
That's how it works right?
You're quite predictable.

Here's why I supplied that additional information.

The Boy Scouts of America do not hire atheists, and agnostics. This means they are a theistic organization, and further, it also logically dictates due to being an American(USA) organization, predominantly Christian.

They also do not hire homosexuals.

So what we have is a theist, predominantly Christian organization that does not employ atheists, agnostics, or homosexuals.

And yet there were cases of pedophilia within that organization.

Theist pedophiles were employed by the Boy Scouts of America.

Does that mean all Scout leaders were pedophiles? No. Does it taint the image of the Boy Scouts of America? Yes.

Does it taint Christianity as well? Yes, due to it(BOA) being a theistic and predominantly Christian organization.

That's unfortunate, but a result.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#595887 Sep 26, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
There doesn't have to be an actual connection. They don't have to share the same views or proclivities or opinions or desires or morals or beliefs. They just have to belong to the same group so that common association will allow people to connect other things that aren't related.
Nope, that's not what I've ever said.

Christian message <> Christians <> Two different concepts.

You did make that statement, however, in regards to Boy Scouts of America.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#595888 Sep 26, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
You see a Christian do something bad. Regardless if it has anything to do with actual Christian ideology or what other Christians actually think, you claim it taints all of them
No, it taints the message of Christianity.

That's all it does. If a Christian exhibits racism, and even goes as far as supplying biblical verses supporting his stance, does not mean I think all Christians are racists, nevertheless, the message of Christianity has been affected, corrupted...tainted.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#595889 Sep 26, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
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Hey Lar......:-)
Did you see the historical area of Georgetown SC burned down yesterday....Sad.....(Georgeto wn is 50 miles from Charleston)
Ians wasn't the only reason.....It was all the fighting and same old fights every day...day after day. I went to visit my Grandkids and just enjoyed the time away...
I'm glad you came back.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#595890 Sep 26, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
So the same should be true for gay scout leaders that abuse kids.
You mean pedophiles.
Skombolis wrote:
The only connection is the Boy Scouts. It doesn't matter that being gay and a pedophile may be two separate things and that it has nothing to do with Boy Scout ideology. Isn't matter that other gay scout leaders would never molest a child. They can be connected by a shared association therefore they are all tainted

Per your rationale
No, that's not my rationale, that's your rationale.

Your rationale extends that to mean all Scout leaders are connected to being pedophiles.

My rationale would be; When a Scout leader is found to be a pedophile, that taints the image of the Boy Scouts of America.

That doesn't mean I would suspect all Scout leaders of being pedophiles. It means the organization, Boy Scouts Of America, had failed in it's message, intent and clearly stated outcome or intended result.

And so it is with Christianity.

When pedophilia, child abuse and abuse is evidenced within the Catholic clergy, or Protestant ministry, or by members of either and all versions of Christianity, it taints the message of Christianity.

It doesn't mean I think all Christians are pedophiles, child abusers, abusers, or racists, misogynists, et al.

It's simple.

It just means Christianity has been tainted. The message has been damaged. The claim to having a superior moral discipline or conduct based upon the Christian doctrine or message is cast into doubt.

Christianity has been tainted by the actions of admittedly, less than exemplary Christians.

The claims to having a superior deity given and directed moral imperative, otherwise known as the message of Christianity, has been blemished, cast into doubt, tainted.

Since: Sep 10

San Francisco, CA

#595891 Sep 26, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I'm glad you came back.
I never left.

And yet, I returned.
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#595892 Sep 26, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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if it's true that certain soldiers are refusing to bow the knee to antichrist socialism and sharia law, then i am glad that there is bright spot in an otherwise dark situation - thanks for the encouragement!:)
Not thing to do with religion wars, our US used one of many propaganda tools like religion to riled up our brainwashed US populace nationalist prides to support our greedy US leaders PNAC goal, the War-for-profiteering agendas and USD/OIL Hegemony and other ill US money global hegemonic agendas - ever hear US MANIFEST DESTINY? U been take to cleaners by corrupted /greedy US leaders agendas. You so undereducated and ignorant and easily molded to support evil agendas. We invaded other nations , no wonder they hate our US!

Read up religious grunt!

John Stockwell, ex-CIA (From his books, speeches...
'
It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, and to propagandize and teach the American people to hate, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms.

===
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#595893 Sep 26, 2013
JONATHAN SWIFT (1667-1745) Irish satirist Dean of St Patrick's
Thoughts on Various Subjects (1706)
"
quotation
We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another.

“~ Prince of Peace~”

Since: Apr 08

~ And the greatest is LOVE~

#595894 Sep 26, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I'm glad you came back.
Thanks Friend.....

Guess what my 20 year old grandaughter is thinking of getting into?....Mortuary Science....(Work at a Funeral Home)

I told her "Well...you'll always have business"
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#595895 Sep 26, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
<quoted text>
Continued;
And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write: Theses things saith he that is holy , he that is true, he that hath the key of David, the that openeth and no man shutteth; and shutteth and no man openeth.
I know thy works behold I have set before thee an open door and no man can shut it; for thou hast a little strength and hast kept my word and hast not denied my name.
Behold I will make them of the synagogue of Satan which say they are Jew and are not but do lie: behold I will make them to come and worship before thy feet and to know that I have loved thee.
Because thou has kept the word of my patience I also will keep three from the hour of temptation which shall come upon all the world to try them that dwell upon the earth.
Behold I come quickly: hold fast which thou hast that no man take thy crown.
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God and he shall go no more out and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God which is new Jerusalem which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
He that hath an ear let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Letter to Philadelphia.
BWHAHHAHaaa

JONATHAN EDWARDS (1703-1758) Colonial American Calvinist, theologian, president of Princeton University
Quoted in The American Treasury, ed. Clifton Fadiman, 1955
'Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God," sermon (1741)


"The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked; his wrath towards you burns like fire; ... he is of purer eyes than to bear to have you in his sight; you are ten thousand times more abominable in his eyes, than the most hateful venemous serpent is in ours. You have offended him infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince; and yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#595896 Sep 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Brilliant insight!
Here this Christian is (falsely) accusing us of judging all of Christendom based on the actions of one person, which is exactly what his god allegedly did.
Then the response back equates to:

"That has a metaphorical meaning"

The cognitive dissonance exhibited there is astounding.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#595897 Sep 26, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
Top 'O the Morning to ya...
¬ďAdventure is worthwhile in itself.¬Ē
~ Amelia Earhart
Thought for the day
I have always agreed with that outlook.

Sometimes the best ones are never planned, have no intended destination, and you just have to grab them as they present themselves.

That's how it is for me, anyway.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#595898 Sep 26, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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I do.
I like many Christians here and even admire a few.
I have respect for Christians here, too.

The strange thing is the ones I have respect for, many of the Christians I have little respect for, dislike the Christians I respect.
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#595899 Sep 26, 2013
UidiotRaceMAKEWORLDPEACE wrote:
<quoted text>Not thing to do with religion wars, our US used one of many propaganda tools like religion to riled up our brainwashed US populace nationalist prides to support our greedy US leaders PNAC goal, the War-for-profiteering agendas and USD/OIL Hegemony and other ill US money global hegemonic agendas - ever hear US MANIFEST DESTINY? U been take to cleaners by corrupted /greedy US leaders agendas. You so undereducated and ignorant and easily molded to support evil agendas. We invaded other nations , no wonder they hate our US!
Read up religious grunt!
John Stockwell, ex-CIA (From his books, speeches...
'
It is the function of the CIA to keep the world unstable, and to propagandize and teach the American people to hate, so we will let the Establishment spend any amount of money on arms.
===
add!

Mary Roberts Rinehart
"
I hate those men who would send into war youth to fight and die for them; the pride and cowardice of those old men, making their wars that boys must die.

“Love much, trust none”

Since: Jul 11

There

#595900 Sep 26, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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I have respect for Christians here, too.
The strange thing is the ones I have respect for, many of the Christians I have little respect for, dislike the Christians I respect.
That has been my experience as well.
UidiotRaceMAKEWO RLDPEACE

United States

#595901 Sep 26, 2013
Thomas della Peruta

Our (American) children are not born to hate, they are raised to hate.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#595902 Sep 26, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Jesus, you're a stupid man.
Do you know what stereotyping is? I'll tell you what it's not: It's not formulating an opinion about the nature of an idea or other abstraction by observing actual people and modifying ones opinion with each new instance. If I read and interview a thousand Christians over the course of several years on Topix, and each one contributes a small part to my total understanding of what it is and what it does - some tainting it with their behavior, some not - then I have done an informal study and drawn conclusions based on evidence.
You taint your religion. Trifecta taints it. Shrink taints it. Red Apples taints it. Is that stereotyping either any of you or Christianity? No, it's not.
Like it or not, you are each ambassadors for your faith.
"A thousand people cannot convince one by words to the extent that one person can convince a thousand by action." - From the Zoroastrian Avesta, 2nd millennium BCE.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#595903 Sep 26, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I never left.
And yet, I returned.
I thought maybe you white sheeted me for awhile.

HL gets jealous when I'm under your sheet.

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#595904 Sep 26, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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I have respect for Christians here, too.
The strange thing is the ones I have respect for, many of the Christians I have little respect for, dislike the Christians I respect.
That is all in your head. Just like your belief that nothing/emptiness/void began the process to make your ancestors. You have a lot of Faith though.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#595905 Sep 26, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. if, like Galileo, my existence was threatened by the church, I would submit. Wouldn't you? Hence, wouldn't submission become a positive quality ??..
.. if I submit to you voluntarily, I display trust, correct? If you force me to submit, I feel disdain, distrust and disgust ..
.. some churches commit spiritual rape via fear and shame (especially with children), submit their bid for power, demand authority and claim ultimate victory over the unknown. They quash the spirit and are destitute of virtue. It's the responsibility of any civilized society to destroy such organizations ..
It's ironic and unfortunate that in regards to theism and it's effect, atheists and non theists have to stand up and speak against that mentality.

You'd think theists themselves would be leading the effort.

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