Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Ditat Deus”

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#592240 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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You are a complete and utter liar. That is not the conversation at all.
To my brilliant remark "if you believe in one religion's miracles, because all religions share equal evidence, then you have to accept all the miracle claims in all religions"
To which you replied, using a semantic argument so that you wouldn't have to address the point "waaa! then you have to accept Creationist science as science!"
So, no, dishonest one, I am not the person who avoided the argument. You are and you did through semantic bs.
You seem to be caught in a word jumble.

~sniggers

“Ditat Deus”

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#592241 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:

No. Those of you who have experienced what you believe to be inexplicable are naive and misinterpret your brain signals. You're basically like children.
That is your opinion.

Since you can't prove yourself right, it will always and only be your opinion.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#592242 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Christianity does not claim that Adam came from mud.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
Mud, Clay or Dirt your pick.

It isn't what the Hebrew says anyway and it isn;t the Jewish interpretation either.

Make up what ever you want. It is just a myth.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#592243 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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1. No one aborts babies. That is, by definition, impossible.
2. Using abortion as a weapon to put someone down...? What are you talking about?
Yes abortions happen, however a person decides to put forth the word. You know what I was saying.

If you don’t know how by now then you most likely never will.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#592244 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I can't explain it to you because I can't explain God's power and how it works.
You can't either.
You are claiming that I cannot explain your imagined being's power?

Quite simply: nothing. It doesn't exist, except in your mind. God cannot do anything. Not a thing, outside of you. Sure, God can be invoked as emotional control, perhaps make you feel guilty. I suppose in the extreme case that might lead to some kind of bodily impact.

Other than the placebo effect, what's there to explain?

Anyways, thanks. You utterly lost that "argument." Remember? You were going to prove that Adam existed but couldn't in the face of genetics, phylogeny and that humans are not made out of dirt.

Don't feel bad. You took on an impossibility.

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#592245 Sep 17, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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Now yer talkin........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0ZyQIh0sH5AXX
Thanks for the memories. lol All I need is a pair of moccasins cause have no problem shaken that thingy my mamma (God bless her always) and God gave me. Just lead the way and I will follow any way the steps go even dance a combo from ball room right into disco than into rock. lol I love the music and dancing. lol

“Ditat Deus”

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#592246 Sep 17, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:

They can dishonestly compartmentalise each point being argued, for example acknowledging that the Sumerians developed written communication way before the Hebrews yet postulating that Adam wrote down the creation story and passed it to moses.
It is possible. Reference Genesis 5:1, "This is the book of the generations of Adam." That suggests that the that art of writing was known within the lifetime of Adam. God would not trust His teachings to the fragile memory of humans, it had to be written down to be remember.(Look at all the 'begats' in the Bible. No human could remember them all.)

It is believed (by us) that Adam was the first human, created by God. It is possible that Adam himself wrote down the creation account and it was later corrupted and changed by the Sumerians and Babylonians long before Moses was even born.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#592247 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Science does not claim that our universe began from nothing.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Christianity does not claim that Adam came from mud.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
Your comment here would have been relevant had you added it to our discussion on Adam. This is our discussion on the beginnings of the universe - that you, stupidly, claimed that science and atheists believe the universe came from nothing.

And so your response to me criticizing your ignorance (more properly stupidity, since you've been told this point before but, for political and manipulative reasons, refuse to learn it) is to say "well, you're ignorant too!"

Great argument for a 12 year old. You really stood up for yourself there. You articulated how you were inadequate to the task of defending your position very well.

Thanks :)

“Ditat Deus”

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#592248 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:

Very well said, sir. I will have to give it some thought.
My one question would then be: why bother interacting with these irrational people at all?
No amount of cogent discussion is going to appeal to their senses. No logic, not rationality.
Might as well just laugh at their displays of incoherence and move on.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
No amount of cogent discussion is going to appeal to their senses
What is your end game? Are you attempting to convert us?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#592249 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
That's a very irrational way of thinking.
At least you are learning my vocabulary...

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#592250 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You seem to be caught in a word jumble.
~sniggers
Not even slightly.

1. I made an argument.
2. You "counter" with a distraction through pedantic argument.
3. I point this out.
4. You switch to claiming I am using red herrings when I call out your argument fallacies.
5. You claim I have strayed from the argument, despite that you, through your pedantic distraction, did so.
6. I call you on your dishonesty.
7. You post the above projection that has nothing to do with me.

Do they teach you these dishonest ways of arguing on the job or did you learn them all by yourself?

“Ditat Deus”

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#592251 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I was destroying your stupid analogy. It's stupid b/c it's relies on semantic trickery.
Yes, if you accept the miracles of one religion you have to accept them all, if you're a logical person.
Why, you ask, as a not logical person.
Because all religions have equal evidence to support their mythological claims. The only reason you really-really-really believe in yours is because you were brought up that way. Your personal experiences are encultured to interpret your nonmundane experiences as Christian. You have trained your body and brain to have Christian experiences.
Your Christian experiences do not represent reality beyond your own body. They're ultimately and only a product of your body and enculturation. That's it. They're not real beyond you, they aren't informative about anything beyond you. They only exist for you, and for people who have been likewise trained as you.
Since you believe them, since you hold them on high, you disregard all other religious claims - despite that believers of other religions have equally compelling reasons to "know" their reasons are "the only true religions." Just like you, their experiences describe their lived reality - and just like you, they have no evidence, no "proof," that their religion explains reality. Like you, their belief overrides their rationality.
So, yes, you have to believe that all religions' miracles are true if you're going to accept your own. Otherwise you aren't a rational person. You're a committed believer in a particular kind of dogma. That restricts your ability to learn, your ability to understand realty to the reality described by your religion.
And it's a small, pathetic and incorrect reality based on defaming humans (original sin), desiring to be a slave to a stalker deity who requires you to love him or else, and accepting fabrications about the nature of reality.
It's all in your head. You cannot argue logically because of it, you cannot accept evidence that disagrees with your dogma, and you can fabricate any position, regardless of honestly, to justify your beliefs.
And you are the example of why the rest of us must always be vigilant. We cannot allow your kind of thinking in science, philosophy, the humanities, any scholarship, politics if we're honest - any important decisions worldwide. Religion has poisoned your thinking. We cannot allow it to poison ours.
Hidingfromyou wrote:

We cannot allow your kind of thinking in science, philosophy, the humanities, any scholarship, politics if we're honest
Then you'll just have to ignore the thousands of religious people that have contributed to science, philosophy, the humanities, any scholarship and politics throughout the millennia.

I know you won't do that though, your elitist mind tells you to have respect only for elitists, whether they are religious or not.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#592252 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Of course I feel entitled to do more, just as you feel entitled to do more for your "cause".
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LOL
That's a very irrational way of thinking.
That's like saying you're free to practice your irreligiosity so long as you do it in your home.
It's also like you saying "it's okay to be gay, just keep it private in your home."
You're nuts, man.
You can expose it in public. we all need a good laugh.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#592253 Sep 17, 2013
Prince Helmut Pipke wrote:
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you little POS
even have not clue what is HATE?
everybody take s...on your apologies,and elitism-buy night cup with ball on the top,night gown and jump on the tree of your local neghborhood,maybe people start to listen your insane shrie from the tree?
RT and I are ok on this. Why talk so to her this way when she is saying nothing wrong?
You are in the wrong PHP not RT.

“Ditat Deus”

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#592254 Sep 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I have no choice but to find some things appropriate and others not, just as I have no choice but to find some things funny and others not, and some things interesting while others are not.
Perhaps you meant to ask why I think I get to express that judgment.
Of course that's what I meant.

What do you think gives you the right to tell me, or anyone else, what is and what is not appropriate?

What do you think gives you the right to try to control other people?

Just because you've had a few bad experiences in a few churches doesn't mean that everybody has bad experiences in all churches. You just had a shitty hand dealt to you, that sucks. I have sympathy for you on that note. What I don't have sympathy for you on is how you try to dictate what other people should think. Your Kelice hatred for "the church" is ridiculous.

"You should keep that opinion of yours private and in your own home." -IANS

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#592255 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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That is your opinion.
Since you can't prove yourself right, it will always and only be your opinion.
It's already proven, to use your words, through neuroscience studies. You are just ignorant to them. In fact, all evidence agrees with my position.

You don't have even an ounce of evidence. The best you have is "I really, really experienced this! It sure seemed real to me!" etc. Gosh. That's convincing.

Since: Oct 12

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#592256 Sep 17, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Thanks.
Exercise is important.
So, what is the hold up Big man, Go find yourself a woman and go dancing, let your hair down and grab afew good steps forward.lol

Hey you gotta do it not think about it.lol

“Ditat Deus”

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#592257 Sep 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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There is no Creation science, just pseudoscience generated in the service of proselytizing Christianity's disproven myths.
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Feel free to do so if you like. I don't think Christian holidays are a reason to celebrate.
And if you meant publicly, as in celebrated in the schools, on public property, or with national holidays, that just your sense of Christian privilege speaking. There is nothing special about Christian beliefs. Christmas is no more important than Yom Kippur or Ramadan.
You were wrong. Christmas is THE most celebrated holiday in the entire world.

That doesn't speak to whether or not it's more or less personally important, but societally important, Christmas is #1.

I think you atheists utterly hate that. Every time you see a Merry Christmas or a Christmas tree or even a Santa Claus, you think somebody is shoving religion down your throat.

You people are pathetic.

“Ditat Deus”

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#592258 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
Christmas Day is a Federaly recognized holiday
It aint necessarily so wrote:

That should be changed
It won't.

Just live with it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#592259 Sep 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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But you consider forbidding prayer unjust. That's just more of your sense of Christian privilege - that you deserve special rights. You don't.
And it's why so many of us have stopped caring about what Christians want as Christians. You're simply not fair or reasonable. You want what you want, and that is as far as you think it through.
HA HA!

You're such a hypocrite. You want Christmas to be removed as a federally recognized holiday.

"You want what you want" -IANS

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