Why Should Jesus Love Me?
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Lenoir City, TN

#592234 Sep 17, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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I do not blame your god. I blame the followers of corrupted priests of false teachings. Your deity just happens to be a character (entity) "created" by those corrupted "priests". Not just "YOUR" priests, but generations and generations of those before them. You see, they and their close kin of "kings" were who shaped a society that is so far from the actuality of understanding simple human decency and spirituality that it is totally lost in today's world...and has been for thousands of years.
Your Jesus tried to bring those old teachings back to the masses in hope of changing the subversive dominance of the world powers(elitists) through numbers. He was murdered for it... and those powers combined with, and infiltrated the religious factions left behind, and turned them into an even more dominant subversive arm of their agenda. That was the beginning of the "dark ages"....the "killing fields" of false religion, and subversion of truth. ie: the "new" christianity of the "universal church".
It actually began in Egypt with the corruption of the "priesthood", and their effort to institute a "coup" of the ruling pharaoh...and take over the rule of the region and then the world.
That may be what you believe BT but not me. May God show who ever is wrong His truth.
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#592235 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Science does not claim that our universe began from nothing.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!
Christianity does not claim that Adam came from mud.

duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

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#592236 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I can't explain it to you because I can't explain God's power and how it works.
You can't either.
Quetzalcoatl works in mysterious ways.

"Flip 'em the bird and take this for a swallow!"

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#592237 Sep 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I'll return their abuse.
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They never have. But why tell me? Are you looking for sympathy or cooperation? Do you think that secular humanists should compromise with Christians where their values clash? Is that how the church has treated unbelievers?
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My current opinion of what Christians are like is based on over five years of nearly daily discussions with hundreds and hundreds of Christians, mostly Americans, through a couple hundred thousand of their posts - not just"a few people".
Unless you can make a compelling case for why they are not representative of Christians in general, I have no reason not to believe that what I am seeing here is what Christians are like.
And what do we see here? Is this what people should be taught to be like?
What reason is there to believe that the church won't continue generating people just like them generation after generation if able?
It all adds up to one thing - we will benefit is we can diminish the church and its influence.
Why do you care? You'll always be free to worship however you choose within the law. If you do so in the privacy of your home or church, nobody will give you any resistance. Do you feel entitled to more? I think you do.
Of course I feel entitled to do more, just as you feel entitled to do more for your "cause".
It aint necessarily so wrote:
If you do so in the privacy of your home or church,
LOL

That's a very irrational way of thinking.

That's like saying you're free to practice your irreligiosity so long as you do it in your home.

It's also like you saying "it's okay to be gay, just keep it private in your home."

You're nuts, man.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#592238 Sep 17, 2013
Students all on task doing labs. All I have to do is sit here and monitor them.

What a sweet job. No wonder John Coffey hates me.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#592239 Sep 17, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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From the 2012 Texas Republican Party Platform:
"Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS)(values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling[sic] of Outcome-Based Education (OBE)(mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority".
Wow.

What can you say to that?

“Ditat Deus”

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#592240 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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You are a complete and utter liar. That is not the conversation at all.
To my brilliant remark "if you believe in one religion's miracles, because all religions share equal evidence, then you have to accept all the miracle claims in all religions"
To which you replied, using a semantic argument so that you wouldn't have to address the point "waaa! then you have to accept Creationist science as science!"
So, no, dishonest one, I am not the person who avoided the argument. You are and you did through semantic bs.
You seem to be caught in a word jumble.

~sniggers

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#592241 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:

No. Those of you who have experienced what you believe to be inexplicable are naive and misinterpret your brain signals. You're basically like children.
That is your opinion.

Since you can't prove yourself right, it will always and only be your opinion.

“"None shall pass"”

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#592242 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Christianity does not claim that Adam came from mud.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
Mud, Clay or Dirt your pick.

It isn't what the Hebrew says anyway and it isn;t the Jewish interpretation either.

Make up what ever you want. It is just a myth.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#592243 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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1. No one aborts babies. That is, by definition, impossible.
2. Using abortion as a weapon to put someone down...? What are you talking about?
Yes abortions happen, however a person decides to put forth the word. You know what I was saying.

If you don’t know how by now then you most likely never will.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#592244 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I can't explain it to you because I can't explain God's power and how it works.
You can't either.
You are claiming that I cannot explain your imagined being's power?

Quite simply: nothing. It doesn't exist, except in your mind. God cannot do anything. Not a thing, outside of you. Sure, God can be invoked as emotional control, perhaps make you feel guilty. I suppose in the extreme case that might lead to some kind of bodily impact.

Other than the placebo effect, what's there to explain?

Anyways, thanks. You utterly lost that "argument." Remember? You were going to prove that Adam existed but couldn't in the face of genetics, phylogeny and that humans are not made out of dirt.

Don't feel bad. You took on an impossibility.

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#592245 Sep 17, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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Now yer talkin........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =0ZyQIh0sH5AXX
Thanks for the memories. lol All I need is a pair of moccasins cause have no problem shaken that thingy my mamma (God bless her always) and God gave me. Just lead the way and I will follow any way the steps go even dance a combo from ball room right into disco than into rock. lol I love the music and dancing. lol

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#592246 Sep 17, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:

They can dishonestly compartmentalise each point being argued, for example acknowledging that the Sumerians developed written communication way before the Hebrews yet postulating that Adam wrote down the creation story and passed it to moses.
It is possible. Reference Genesis 5:1, "This is the book of the generations of Adam." That suggests that the that art of writing was known within the lifetime of Adam. God would not trust His teachings to the fragile memory of humans, it had to be written down to be remember.(Look at all the 'begats' in the Bible. No human could remember them all.)

It is believed (by us) that Adam was the first human, created by God. It is possible that Adam himself wrote down the creation account and it was later corrupted and changed by the Sumerians and Babylonians long before Moses was even born.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#592247 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
Science does not claim that our universe began from nothing.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Christianity does not claim that Adam came from mud.
duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh
Your comment here would have been relevant had you added it to our discussion on Adam. This is our discussion on the beginnings of the universe - that you, stupidly, claimed that science and atheists believe the universe came from nothing.

And so your response to me criticizing your ignorance (more properly stupidity, since you've been told this point before but, for political and manipulative reasons, refuse to learn it) is to say "well, you're ignorant too!"

Great argument for a 12 year old. You really stood up for yourself there. You articulated how you were inadequate to the task of defending your position very well.

Thanks :)

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#592248 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:

Very well said, sir. I will have to give it some thought.
My one question would then be: why bother interacting with these irrational people at all?
No amount of cogent discussion is going to appeal to their senses. No logic, not rationality.
Might as well just laugh at their displays of incoherence and move on.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
No amount of cogent discussion is going to appeal to their senses
What is your end game? Are you attempting to convert us?

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#592249 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
That's a very irrational way of thinking.
At least you are learning my vocabulary...

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

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#592250 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You seem to be caught in a word jumble.
~sniggers
Not even slightly.

1. I made an argument.
2. You "counter" with a distraction through pedantic argument.
3. I point this out.
4. You switch to claiming I am using red herrings when I call out your argument fallacies.
5. You claim I have strayed from the argument, despite that you, through your pedantic distraction, did so.
6. I call you on your dishonesty.
7. You post the above projection that has nothing to do with me.

Do they teach you these dishonest ways of arguing on the job or did you learn them all by yourself?

“Ditat Deus”

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#592251 Sep 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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I was destroying your stupid analogy. It's stupid b/c it's relies on semantic trickery.
Yes, if you accept the miracles of one religion you have to accept them all, if you're a logical person.
Why, you ask, as a not logical person.
Because all religions have equal evidence to support their mythological claims. The only reason you really-really-really believe in yours is because you were brought up that way. Your personal experiences are encultured to interpret your nonmundane experiences as Christian. You have trained your body and brain to have Christian experiences.
Your Christian experiences do not represent reality beyond your own body. They're ultimately and only a product of your body and enculturation. That's it. They're not real beyond you, they aren't informative about anything beyond you. They only exist for you, and for people who have been likewise trained as you.
Since you believe them, since you hold them on high, you disregard all other religious claims - despite that believers of other religions have equally compelling reasons to "know" their reasons are "the only true religions." Just like you, their experiences describe their lived reality - and just like you, they have no evidence, no "proof," that their religion explains reality. Like you, their belief overrides their rationality.
So, yes, you have to believe that all religions' miracles are true if you're going to accept your own. Otherwise you aren't a rational person. You're a committed believer in a particular kind of dogma. That restricts your ability to learn, your ability to understand realty to the reality described by your religion.
And it's a small, pathetic and incorrect reality based on defaming humans (original sin), desiring to be a slave to a stalker deity who requires you to love him or else, and accepting fabrications about the nature of reality.
It's all in your head. You cannot argue logically because of it, you cannot accept evidence that disagrees with your dogma, and you can fabricate any position, regardless of honestly, to justify your beliefs.
And you are the example of why the rest of us must always be vigilant. We cannot allow your kind of thinking in science, philosophy, the humanities, any scholarship, politics if we're honest - any important decisions worldwide. Religion has poisoned your thinking. We cannot allow it to poison ours.
Hidingfromyou wrote:

We cannot allow your kind of thinking in science, philosophy, the humanities, any scholarship, politics if we're honest
Then you'll just have to ignore the thousands of religious people that have contributed to science, philosophy, the humanities, any scholarship and politics throughout the millennia.

I know you won't do that though, your elitist mind tells you to have respect only for elitists, whether they are religious or not.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#592252 Sep 17, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Of course I feel entitled to do more, just as you feel entitled to do more for your "cause".
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LOL
That's a very irrational way of thinking.
That's like saying you're free to practice your irreligiosity so long as you do it in your home.
It's also like you saying "it's okay to be gay, just keep it private in your home."
You're nuts, man.
You can expose it in public. we all need a good laugh.
Here For Now

Lenoir City, TN

#592253 Sep 17, 2013
Prince Helmut Pipke wrote:
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you little POS
even have not clue what is HATE?
everybody take s...on your apologies,and elitism-buy night cup with ball on the top,night gown and jump on the tree of your local neghborhood,maybe people start to listen your insane shrie from the tree?
RT and I are ok on this. Why talk so to her this way when she is saying nothing wrong?
You are in the wrong PHP not RT.

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