I have wanted for some time to make a similar post, difficult to imagine how to keep it short. The bible teaches them, it is full of contradictions, if the bible says "A" it will usually also say "-A". And then there is aplogetic which can turn anything into whatever. The god as depicted by the bible is "the most vile beast ever imagined" yet christians will claim it as love. They have no trouble <moral qualm> with transferred guilt (original sin)(subsitutional atonement). They often contradict their own ideas, and see no difficulty.<quoted text>
You're arguing with the religious, and I'm afraid your expectations are too high.
This is the man who exhibits perfect 'cultish' behaviour. He is able to change his point of view, reasoning and interpretation of the facts depending upon the point be argued. The truth is whatever makes the dogma work against whatever particular criticism is being levelled at it. It is the perfection of double-think and Orwell would be proud.
I say "argument" because this is not debate. The folks arguing for god here have never participated in a moderated debate. A winning gambit for them would be, "You're wrong, look it up" or "you spelled "favour" wrong".
They can dishonestly compartmentalise each point being argued, for example acknowledging that the Sumerians developed written communication way before the Hebrews yet postulating that Adam wrote down the creation story and passed it to moses. This ability to reconcile obvious conflict within hours of each post occurs with no hesitation. Their entire worldview is whatever is convenient at the time and they see absolutely no problem with that because they are fools for the lawd and don't mind appearing so, even seeing it as a virtue.
Their 'religion' or scriptures morph and twist to meet the demands of critical thought. I can only imagine the internal struggle they have to keep it together, sometimes I literally blush for them when they post such howlers.
I also think you're being very charitable in attributing any spark of logic to them. Their brains work very differently and their internal filters validate every new fact they hear(using a form of pidgin logic) against their own permissible logic which is this:
Religious logic on Topix.
Question: "Does this idea threaten my dogma?
If "yes", discount or seek apologetics to reinforce dogma(a form of mantra meditation), attempt to change subject or seek out typographical, grammatical or spelling errors in the post one finds uncomfortable without delay and fixate on them.
If "no", accept and claim credit for said idea.(i.e. "The christian church practised science before 'scientists'").
Use the Vietnam lacuna(declare victory and leave). END
the curse us to "eternal torture" and demand tolerance and respect for their beliefs.