Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

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#585152 Sep 5, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Notice how he refuses to address this
I have suspected for a while this just another lie he has been caught in and he never was a Christian
But if h actually is telling the truth this time, it is quite fascinating a guy that goes around Topix saying things like "chicken on a stick" so it sounds like religion is such a foreign concept to him actually came to the faith on his own, without indoctrination, as an adult
Poor Iansy, things had been going so well for him before he came here:)
Exactly. He got the equivalent of an intellectual foot up his azz after rushing in here bashing Christianity. And not only got his religion bashed more ferocious and his declaration of Christianity dying laughed at and refuted, he even got non Christians calling him out. I hope he is not emotionally attached to topix. Because if he is, his ego and self-esteem will be permanently scarred being on this billboard. HA!. Yosemite Clown.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#585153 Sep 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You are not an authority on morality. You sit back and watch one of your own flail and fall and do nothing about it. "It's not my job", you say. That's the failed moral system of the Humanist.
How so?

Since: Mar 09

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#585154 Sep 5, 2013
Clearwater wrote:
<quoted text>Man this guy is good for laughs if nothing else.
Its something anyway:)

My God-child is going on 5 and he knows when he is playing make-believe. I am waiting for Ians to display the same ability

I bet you at least one the Mexicans that discriminated against him for being white (allegedly) was wearing some sort of religious symbol like a cross. Ians most definitely took the rude behavior without so much as a peep. But i bet he rode his donkey home as fast as he could to get online and start criticizing Christianity right after! Probably with tears running down his cheeks:)

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#585155 Sep 5, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
Your posts have shown more hate than RR’s have. You came on here to attack. Man you are something else and it ain’t good.
You're one voice in a chorus singing a one note tune. You people have pretty much isolated yourselves and lost the respect of everyone except one another, mutual respect based on nothing but a shared delusion and a shared predicament.

Hiding sees some good in Christianity. I don't. The church cranks out people like the ones in this thread. The rare Christians that are likeable have pretty much repudiated Christian values and adopted humanist values.

You have chosen to isolate yourselves from our world and demean it at the instruction of your church. You demean humanity as well, and scapegoat particular groups in it. Your values are an abomination, and your church a pox.

The evidence against your vile religion is overwhelming. And the contempt you receive - what you call hate in your one-note tune - is well earned.

Since: Oct 12

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#585156 Sep 5, 2013
There was a funeral held out here last night of opinions on this thread. No one ask me for my two cents worth so I took them out and buried them in the back yard. With prayer and meditation this is what came to mind.

Judge not, that ye be not judged. Matthew 7:1

But if ye bite and devour one another take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. Galatians 5:15.

For the Lord seeth not as man seeth for man looketh on the outward appearance but the Lord looketh on the heart. 1 Samuel 16:7

Tis easy to preach
But Tis also hard to practice
For you see I am a sinner not worthy of standing in the shadow of the I AM.
God Bless all.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#585157 Sep 5, 2013
scaritual wrote:
I've always said that if a person feels their belief in a deity or religion found in a book - that they truly believe is real - prevents them from killing the world, or that it makes them moral or provides them with morality, and stops them from committing all sorts of crimes and heinous acts against their fellow man and society, do not drop that belief.

They must need it, and if their belief prevents that, then keep believing. Please, keep that belief, because the world cannot afford them going off the deep end and losing the belief that a deity provides them sanity and humanity.

Please.

Do not let it go.
“Atheist are routinely asked how people will know not to rape and murder without religion telling them not to do it, especially a religion that backs up the orders with threats of hell. Believers, listen to me carefully when I say this: When you use this argument, you terrify atheists. We hear you saying that the only thing standing between you and Ted Bundy is a flimsy belief in a supernatural being made up by pre-literate people trying to figure out where the rain came from. This is not very reassuring if you’re trying to argue from a position of moral superiority.”- Amanda Marcotte

Since: Mar 09

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#585158 Sep 5, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly. He got the equivalent of an intellectual foot up his azz after rushing in here bashing Christianity. And not only got his religion bashed more ferocious and his declaration of Christianity dying laughed at and refuted, he even got non Christians calling him out. I hope he is not emotionally attached to topix. Because if he is, his ego and self-esteem will be permanently scarred being on this billboard. HA!. Yosemite Clown.
Heh

The guy pretends people emailed him so he can post more of his lists and made of a fake constitution for the fake demographic he created of secular humanist that exists only on Topix. I am thinking he is very emotionally attached!

I wonder if when he first started he thought it would carry more weight to claim he was an ex-Christian so nobody could say he just didn't understand and he can claim he 'broke free' from indoctrination? Except now that left him looking silly when he tries to look more atheist by saying "chicken on a stick" and is left with no explanation how he tells everyone else their thinking is a bi-product of the 'church' and indoctrination yet he chose to follow Christ as an adult

He was used to nobody looking too closely at his claims. He has largely discredited himself with his own posts. Its makes it all the more funny to watch!

:)

Since: Mar 09

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#585159 Sep 5, 2013
Rider on the Storm wrote:
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Hey skom good seein ya..........
I would also add it is never too late to do the neighborhood fliers

Even if you did a job a while ago, you can still say you serviced so and so down the block. As long as it was a good interaction, you know they will talk and it just helps get the word out

You can also offer like a 10% referral to any customer that sends new jobs your way

Just a few ideas anyway

For some reason I seem to remember us having a similar discussion a long time ago and you were doing some of these things already. Although if any of the suggestions seem worthwhile then I am more than happy to have posted them again

I know my brother's business saw a lot of positive results from it

(T) Peace

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#585160 Sep 5, 2013
Bongo wrote:
<quoted text> AnnieJ wrote:
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I was confused when I read Bongo's post. I have often heard it said...it is not being a homosexual that is sinful...it is acting upon it that is the sin. Yet...when the man in the story followed that belief...he still was condemned.
I came to the conclusion..."not acting upon it" was just lip service... You use the word condemn so freely is that projection or are you prescient? He didn't follow that belief, he lamented and felt he lived an unfulfilled life. Lust is sin, his heart was unchanged. According to you if a man wants to commit a sin but doesn't act on it its ok? Only if you repent of it. He had worldly sorrow, a game loser. Using an unsuspecting wife and children is despicable. I guarantee he indulged in his sin betimes. Mormons are despicable a cult for sure.


<< riding away >>

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#585161 Sep 5, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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1. You plagiarized that.
2. The original author doesn't list his sources, so why shouldn't I assume all the above figures are made up?
Let's pretend it's all true:
3. It's an enormous leap to tie the lack of prayers in school to every subsequent outcome you mention above.
3a. Where's your evidence demonstrating each of those is linked to the lack of school prayer?
Because some preacher tells you isn't good enough.
4. You specifically wrote that it was the fault of one of:
1. black rights
2. women's rights
3. atheism
Please discuss how each of the three - black rights, women's rights and atheism - could possibly have contributed to the myriad social factors you mention.
I'm pretty sure you aren't up to the task. Sorry. I expect to be disappointed. I can't see you daring to defend what you've written above. You'll just write something like "I believe it so" w/out bothering to think through what you are actually claiming. You are certainly not going to provide any detailed evidence to bolster your claims, and you're not going to talk about why you choose black rights, women's rights and atheism as the only possible answers to the myriad conditions you mention above.
1. The list, yes. Here. http://www.inplainsite.org/what_happened_when...

2. Ok, pretend.

3. Here's a good one; THE RISE OF DIVORCE

The divorce revolution of the 1960s and '70s was over-determined. The nearly universal introduction of no-fault divorce helped to open the floodgates, especially because these laws facilitated unilateral divorce and lent moral legitimacy to the dissolution of marriages. The sexual revolution, too, fueled the marital tumult of the times: Spouses found it easier in the Swinging Seventies to find extramarital partners, and came to have higher, and often unrealistic, expectations of their marital relationships. Increases in women's employment as well as feminist consciousness-raising also did their part to drive up the divorce rate, as wives felt freer in the late '60s and '70s to leave marriages that were abusive or that they found unsatisfying.

http://www.nationalaffairs.com/publications/d...

3a. Then explain the correlation.

4. No, that's not what I wrote, so I can't comment on it. I never said that all three have something to do with it. I said that one did.

“Educating the uneducated”

Since: Aug 12

Montreal

#585162 Sep 5, 2013
Rosa Winkel wrote:
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There are plenty of "Christians" in real life, that's the point.
Yeah, sadly.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#585163 Sep 5, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
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Thanks for your opinion Le_le....Its not just RA....I asked alot of other older posters and they pretty much all same the same thing.....
.. does it really matter ??..

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#585164 Sep 5, 2013
Bongo wrote:
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AnnieJ wrote:
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I was confused when I read Bongo's post. I have often heard it said...it is not being a homosexual that is sinful...it is acting upon it that is the sin. Yet...when the man in the story followed that belief...he still was condemned.
I came to the conclusion..."not acting upon it" was just lip service...

Bongo wrote...

You use the word condemn so freely is that projection or are you prescient? He didn't follow that belief, he lamented and felt he lived an unfulfilled life. Lust is sin, his heart was unchanged. According to you if a man wants to commit a sin but doesn't act on it its ok? Only if you repent of it. He had worldly sorrow, a game loser. Using an unsuspecting wife and children is despicable. I guarantee he indulged in his sin betimes. Mormons are despicable a cult for sure.
Yes...I used the word condemned...

My usage of that word is because it is my belief that you condemn someone when you make that prediction that one will "burn in hell" if they break the rules of your faith. It is condemning someone when you think they are a "pervert" if they are not just like you. It is condemnation when you relegate someone to a second-class human being...a POS...because you read something in a book that tells you they are dog vomit...an abomination...perverted...etc. ..etc.

It has often been said..."it is the act" that is sinful...ask your brothers and sisters about that one.

You judged this man based on very little knowledge...you came to the conclusion that his family suffered because of his remaining silent...he stayed in the closet in other words...a place where many Christians believe that all gay people should stay. Again...ask your own brothers and sisters about that.

Did your Sunday school teacher teach you that Mormons were despicable? Did your preacher stand behind the pulpit and pound it in to your that Mormons are a cult...condemned to hell...judged to be unworthy?

I understand that...at one time people tried to teach me that Baptist weren't Christians either...they would surely burn in hell.

You...have judged and condemned him in your very words when you said...

"He had worldly sorrow, a game loser."

"Using an unsuspecting wife and children is despicable."

"I guarantee he indulged in his sin betimes."

You know none of this...you are guessing...assigning his life as to how you want it to be. You conjured up his life in your mind...so that is the way it must have been???

Here is another phrase you used..."his heart was unchanged". Maybe he prayed for a change...and God didn't answer.

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#585165 Sep 5, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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“Atheist are routinely asked how people will know not to rape and murder without religion telling them not to do it, especially a religion that backs up the orders with threats of hell. Believers, listen to me carefully when I say this: When you use this argument, you terrify atheists. We hear you saying that the only thing standing between you and Ted Bundy is a flimsy belief in a supernatural being made up by pre-literate people trying to figure out where the rain came from. This is not very reassuring if you’re trying to argue from a position of moral superiority.”- Amanda Marcotte
Yeah because Amanda Marcotte has such great morals

She called anybody who defended the Duke Lacrosse players from what turned out to be false allegations " "rape-loving scum."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Marcotte

^ Last Call for "Rape-Crisis" Feminism?- Reason Magazine

She also published her first book called "It's a jungle out there" with racists pictures depicting a white woman being attacked by blacks in a jungle

http://hoydenabouttown.com/20080425.1646/raci...

That is quite an example you have used to show morality from someone who scoffs at the idea of questioning following personal morals over those given to us by Christ

She is an attention seeker who uses whatever controversial and exploitative means she can find to get press for herself

I am not surprised you quoted her on moral though

RiversideRedneck

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#585166 Sep 5, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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1. I doubt it entirely. It's trash thinking of the worst kind. I'm not surprised you posted it, actually. Saddened, but not surprised. You are, you continue to admit, not an academic and so not discerning about the sources you trust for your information.
Anyways, I looked up just one of your claims - SAT scores. It's quite a lot more complex than your silly conclusions:
"The 50+ point decline in mean SAT-verbal scores between 1963 and 1979 is widely attributed to changes in the composition of the test-takers. Several inconsistencies in that explanation are identified. That explanation also ignores the pervasive decline In the difficulty of schoolbooks found by analyzing the texts of 800 elementary middle, and high school books published between 1919-1991. When this text simplification series is linked to the SAT verbal series, there is a general fit for the three major periods:
before, during, and after the decline. Long-term exposure to simpler texts may induce a cumulating deficit in the breadth and depth of domain-specific knowledge, lowering reading comprehension and verbal achievement. The two time series are so sufficiently linked that the cumulating knowledge deficit hypothesis may be a major explanation
for the changes in verbal achievement. Only an experiment can establish whether this is causal, so we describe a simple, low-cost experiment schools can use to test how schoolbook difficulty affects their students’ verbal achievement levels."
So...not only do the experts not bother to mention what your plagiarized Christian apologetic site claims,'cause it's so ridiculous it's contemptible, the people they're arguing against don't even mention it - your "hypothesis" is so silly, it's not even on the radar.
http://www.indiana.edu/~educy520/sec6342/week...
But they did comment on it, without being specific.

"changes in the composition of the test-takers"

That's the problem. Starting in 1963, kids were stopped from mandatory morning prayers at schools. By 1979, those kids were now adults and likely had kids of their own in school. Again, not praying.

I think that's the "changes in the composition of the test-takers".

RiversideRedneck

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Since: Jul 12

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#585167 Sep 5, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
1945, and used a Cray to sort out the details.
He came up with the vague and misleading "America's downfall is due to either:"
1 atheists
2 blacks
3 or women
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Even as a joke, that's repulsive.
So hire Catcher and sue me.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#585168 Sep 5, 2013
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
I am recommending you for reevaluation examination...on that statement alone.
Is that good? Neither Google nor I seems to know what that is.

RiversideRedneck

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#585169 Sep 5, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Not you. You're being oppressed.
Actually, the racist and sexist trash you're writing contributes to societal inequalities, so yes, you are helping to oppress people by spreading that nonsense.
Oh.

I didn't know I was that important.

Goodie! I'll keep it up.

RiversideRedneck

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#585170 Sep 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You are not an authority on morality. You sit back and watch one of your own flail and fall and do nothing about it. "It's not my job", you say. That's the failed moral system of the Humanist.
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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How so?
Beeeeeeeecause of what I just said.

“LOL Really?”

Since: Oct 10

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#585171 Sep 5, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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I wasn't talking about economics. I never brought up money or housing or jobs. I was talking about the slow decline of American family life over the past 50 or so years.
On June 25, l962, 39 million students were forbidden to do what they had been doing since the founding of our nation – publicly praying to God at the beginning of each school day.
In New York, the kids prayed:“Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence on Thee and beg Thy blessing over us, our parents, our teachers and our nation.”
And what do you know? All four areas that the kids were praying for started a steep decline. Youth, family, education and national life.
Here's some interesting stats:
Youth.
1. After 1963 pregnancies in girls ages 15 through 19 increased 187% in the next 15 years.
2. For younger girls, ages 10 to 14 years, pregnancies since 1963 are up 553%.
3. Before 1963 sexually transmitted diseases among students were 400 per 100,000. Since 1963, they were up 226% in the next 12 years.
Family
1. Before 1963 divorce rates had been declining for 15 years. After 1963 divorces increased 300% each year for the next 15 years.
2. Since 1963 unmarried people living together is up 353%
3. Since 1963 single parent families are up 140%.
4. Since 1963 single parent families with children are up 160%.
Education
1. The educational standard of measure has been the SAT scores. SAT scores had been steady for many years before 1963. From 1963 they rapidly declined for 18 consecutive years, even though the same test has been used since 1941.
2. In 1974-75 the rate of decline of the SAT scores decreased, even though they continued to decline. That was when there was an explosion of private religious schools. There were only 1000 Christian schools in 1965. Between 1974 to 1984 they increased to 32,000.
a. That could have an impact if the private schools had higher SAT scores. In checking with the SAT Board it was found that indeed the SAT scores for private schools were nearly 100 points higher than public schools.
b. In fact the scores were at the point where the public schools had been before their decline started in 1963 when prayer and Bible reading/ instruction was removed from the schools.
c. The scores in the public schools were still declining.
3. Of the nation's top academic scholars, three times as many come from private religious schools, which operate on one-third the funds as do the public schools.
The Nation
1. Since 1963 violent crime has increased 544%.
3. Illegal drugs have become an enormous & uncontrollable problem.
2. The nation has been deprived of an estimated 30 million citizens through legal abortions just since 1973.
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There is a correlation there, you cannot doubt that.
Crazy talk.

Don't become like the lady I met who just rocked back and forth all day mumbling Bible passages.

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