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#582617 Aug 31, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I don't know Jesus, LW. Never met him. If he comes by someday and he's nice to me, I'll probably like him. If he comes by and is not nice to me, I probably won't. If he's not nice to me, should I give him a second chance?
I have trouble reading your posts. I like that. Most people don't know exactly what I'm saying either. It's a conscious effort on my part. Is that how it is with you?
Now you want to play that innocent lil card ha ha Oh sure I never meet Jesus than explain this you been reading scriptures of him for how many months and no introduction of meeting him. That is a balded faced one too.

You play another violin too ha ha I do not stutter when I talk or have something to say to anyone I do it straight up toe to toe with you. And my belief do not prevent me from taking crap off of anyone either. And no you do not know how it is with me either. Now you want a piece of this huckleberry woman let just get it on cause I sure accomadate you sweet azz in a heart beat hear me good before you answer this post.

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#582618 Aug 31, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
I'm just going by the info you provided that you say was written by an atheist.
Case in point, in the Santa example which the author wrote... points 1 & 3 are explicit beliefs...
Right, and beliefs only, supported by faith. There is no knowledge stated there, no stated evidence, just belief.
Qu_innocence wrote:
the person either believes Santa is coming to town or not, respectively.
Correct.
Qu_innocence wrote:
But the person in point # 2 lacks either beliefs and basically saying... I don't know if Santa is coming to town or not... so I'm not going to believe either way.
No, the person is saying they are not going to make a statement of belief, without knowledge. They would be atheist or an agnostic atheist.
Qu_innocence wrote:
Both persos in points 1 and 3 "believes" explicitly what they believe. Are you saying that the person in point # 2 is an Atheist???
Yes.

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#582619 Aug 31, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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That one is a little better.
It's a stretch, but Fifth Element is kinda sorta like that too.
One of my favorite movies is Fifth Element.

I saw Red Cliff 1&2 the other day and am resisting watching them again just so the first time can sink in a little. I thought those were good, too. Hadn't seen either before.

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#582620 Aug 31, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> There is nothing implied there. It's very simple.
From your view within theism, I'm sure that you think an implication exists.
It is as plain as a clear, sunshiny day. They even admit to it.
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> It doesn't.
There is one thing that will change the position of the atheist.
Unbiased evidence that is convincing to all theists and non theists alike that deities or a deity exists.
Provide that, and the ball will roll..
The probability that order in the universe and the laws of nature came out of chaos is virtually nil... with that in mind, creation itself is proof that there is a divine being.

Do you believe in the possibility of the existence of aliens?
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>What would that, "leap of faith", be?
The position is an atheist doesn't have the faith supported theistic belief deities exist.
If either group explicitly believes in their position, then it is faith. Interesting the Spectrum of theistic probability that R. Dawkins conjured up.

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#582621 Aug 31, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Hi. My name is River.
Have we met?
:-)
Hi River!
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#582622 Aug 31, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. it's all hateful. I'm a flower child. Would you like a rose ??..
Hi. What's up?

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#582623 Aug 31, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> Right, and beliefs only, supported by faith. There is no knowledge stated there, no stated evidence, just belief.
<quoted text> Correct.
<quoted text> No, the person is saying they are not going to make a statement of belief, without knowledge. They would be atheist or an agnostic atheist.
<quoted text> Yes.
...and then it all boils down to what I've read from your link and the earlier link, thus far... that a person can have a different view of Atheism and it is not always clear cut as some Atheists may imply.

Then again, some agnostics don't consider themselves as Atheists...

Anyways, the point is what I explained earlier... I wasn't aware of that, thought it was interesting and now realize that atheists aren't always in general consensus with their beliefs in gods' non-existence.

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#582624 Aug 31, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
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Now you want to play that innocent lil card ha ha Oh sure I never meet Jesus than explain this you been reading scriptures of him for how many months and no introduction of meeting him. That is a balded faced one too.
You play another violin too ha ha I do not stutter when I talk or have something to say to anyone I do it straight up toe to toe with you. And my belief do not prevent me from taking crap off of anyone either. And no you do not know how it is with me either. Now you want a piece of this huckleberry woman let just get it on cause I sure accomadate you sweet azz in a heart beat hear me good before you answer this post.
:-)

I'd rather just hug.

I do play the violin. I'm not bad on the cello and guitar either. I have a knack for stringed instruments.

I don't understand your religion. It seems silly to me. That's not your fault.

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#582625 Aug 31, 2013
Is this the biggest thread originating from a troll?

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#582626 Aug 31, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>...and then it all boils down to what I've read from your link and the earlier link, thus far... that a person can have a different view of Atheism and it is not always clear cut as some Atheists may imply.
Then again, some agnostics don't consider themselves as Atheists...
Anyways, the point is what I explained earlier... I wasn't aware of that, thought it was interesting and now realize that atheists aren't always in general consensus with their beliefs in gods' non-existence.
Atheism = I don't believe in your God or any other gods.

It's not a puzzle, Qu.

It is what it is.

You can't get around that.

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#582627 Aug 31, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text> Right, and beliefs only, supported by faith. There is no knowledge stated there, no stated evidence, just belief.
Woah... hold on thar! I glossed over this. Say we change the points made in your link from Santa to "Christ". So we have Christ is coming to town rather than Santa is coming to town.

Points 1 & 3 would still be "beliefs" just as you said. Whether it was Santa or Christ. Point 1 would be the Christian's explicit position and Point 3 would be the Athiest's explicit position. Do you concur that whether you put Christ or Santa there it is still a belief?

If so, then wouldn't you agree then that both positions require "a leap of faith" as stated earlier?

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#582628 Aug 31, 2013
scaritual wrote:
One of my favorite movies is Fifth Element.
Me too.
scaritual wrote:
I saw Red Cliff 1&2 the other day and am resisting watching them again just so the first time can sink in a little. I thought those were good, too. Hadn't seen either before.
Thanks. I have to get those now.

I generally try to watch all the big movies out of China, but sometimes I miss them.

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#582629 Aug 31, 2013
scaritual wrote:
<quoted text>One of my favorite movies is Fifth Element.

I saw Red Cliff 1&2 the other day and am resisting watching them again just so the first time can sink in a little. I thought those were good, too. Hadn't seen either before.
That movie is awesome!

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#582630 Aug 31, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
It is as plain as a clear, sunshiny day. They even admit to it.
Just so there is no confusion here. What do you think is being implied and how?
Qu_innocence wrote:
The probability that order in the universe and the laws of nature came out of chaos is virtually nil... with that in mind, creation itself is proof that there is a divine being.
What is that probability based upon? Where do the numbers come from, and how is the probability arrived at?
Qu_innocence wrote:
Do you believe in the possibility of the existence of aliens?
Based upon the fact that life has evolved on this planet? Yes.
Qu_innocence wrote:
If either group explicitly believes in their position, then it is faith. Interesting the Spectrum of theistic probability that R. Dawkins conjured up.
As in this example?

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#582631 Aug 31, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Atheism = I don't believe in your God or any other gods.
It's not a puzzle, Qu.
It is what it is.
You can't get around that.
From what I'm reading... it's not that simple. I mean, I'm sure from you are telling me that it is that simple to you, River. But other atheist's seem to be splitting hairs on the matter and I was ignorant of that. I'm just looking into the matter, myself.

Dawkin's Spectrum of Theistic Probability

"1.Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."

2.De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."

3.Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."

4.Com pletely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable."

5.Leaning towards Agnosticism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."

6.De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."

7.Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."

Dawkins argues that while there appear to be plenty of individuals that would place themselves as "1" due to the strictness of religious doctrine against doubt, most atheists do not consider themselves "7" because atheism arises from a lack of evidence and evidence can always change a thinking person's mind. In print, Dawkins self-identified as a '6', though when interviewed by Bill Maher[3] and later by Anthony Kenny,[4] he suggested '6.9' to be more accurate."

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#582632 Aug 31, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>...and then it all boils down to what I've read from your link and the earlier link, thus far... that a person can have a different view of Atheism and it is not always clear cut as some Atheists may imply.
Then again, some agnostics don't consider themselves as Atheists...
Anyways, the point is what I explained earlier... I wasn't aware of that, thought it was interesting and now realize that atheists aren't always in general consensus with their beliefs in gods' non-existence.
It's very clear. It isn't a belief a deity or deities do not exist, as if I do think they might exist, and am deciding I'll >believe< they don't.

I think much of the problem theist have in grasping the atheist position is that you certainly do believe a deity exists, and so anything that isn't framed in a "belief" concerning your deity, you have difficulty reconciling the difference.
I don't mean that as a slight at all.

I'll say it again.

Atheism is the lack or absence of the faith supported theistic belief that deities exist.

Atheists don't have a theistic belief there are deities.

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#582633 Aug 31, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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Atheism = I don't believe in your God or any other gods.
It's not a puzzle, Qu.
It is what it is.
You can't get around that.
It's difficult for the theist to separate belief from non belief.

They take non belief to mean an active belief there are not deities.

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#582634 Aug 31, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Me too.
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Thanks. I have to get those now.
I generally try to watch all the big movies out of China, but sometimes I miss them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =_JsmRHAop2oXX
I don't like these movies. Ip Man was a great Master but Wing Chun was designed for women. It was to keep men from beating us up. It's about balance and defense. It's a way of life. It's not a movie. That being said:

That was a fuckincool clip.

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#582635 Aug 31, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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Me too.
<quoted text>
Thanks. I have to get those now.
I generally try to watch all the big movies out of China, but sometimes I miss them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =_JsmRHAop2oXX
My pleasure. I think you'll like it. That one you linked looks pretty interesting too.

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#582636 Aug 31, 2013
LuciFerr wrote:
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That movie is awesome!
Yeah. It was completely unlike what I was thinking it was going to be.

It has everything a movie should have.

About half way through the first one I thought "Wow, this is a really good movie"

The way it was filmed, scenery, all of it was good.

Liked it.

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