Why Should Jesus Love Me?

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#582643 Sep 1, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
From what I'm reading... it's not that simple. I mean, I'm sure from you are telling me that it is that simple to you, River. But other atheist's seem to be splitting hairs on the matter and I was ignorant of that. I'm just looking into the matter, myself.
Dawkin's Spectrum of Theistic Probability
"1.Strong theist. 100 per cent probability of God. In the words of C.G. Jung: "I do not believe, I know."
2.De facto theist. Very high probability but short of 100 per cent. "I don't know for certain, but I strongly believe in God and live my life on the assumption that he is there."
3.Leaning towards theism. Higher than 50 per cent but not very high. "I am very uncertain, but I am inclined to believe in God."
4.Com pletely impartial. Exactly 50 per cent. "God's existence and non-existence are exactly equiprobable."
5.Leaning towards Agnosticism. Lower than 50 per cent but not very low. "I do not know whether God exists but I'm inclined to be skeptical."
6.De facto atheist. Very low probability, but short of zero. "I don't know for certain but I think God is very improbable, and I live my life on the assumption that he is not there."
7.Strong atheist. "I know there is no God, with the same conviction as Jung knows there is one."
Dawkins argues that while there appear to be plenty of individuals that would place themselves as "1" due to the strictness of religious doctrine against doubt, most atheists do not consider themselves "7" because atheism arises from a lack of evidence and evidence can always change a thinking person's mind. In print, Dawkins self-identified as a '6', though when interviewed by Bill Maher[3] and later by Anthony Kenny,[4] he suggested '6.9' to be more accurate."
This scale is flawed for it's use of "God" instead of "deity/deities".

"God" does not and cannot exist, because "God" is defined in logical contradictions.

If there is a deity, the Bible does not describe it.

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#582644 Sep 1, 2013
River Tam wrote:
I don't like these movies. Ip Man was a great Master but Wing Chun was designed for women. It was to keep men from beating us up. It's about balance and defense. It's a way of life. It's not a movie. That being said:
That was a fuckincool clip.
The movies give people a reason to investigate.

I am not opposed to seeing more women in them.

:)

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#582645 Sep 1, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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It's difficult for the theist to separate belief from non belief.
They take non belief to mean an active belief there are not deities.
Sometimes I just like beating my head against a wall. It makes me forget about what I'm going to deal with later today.

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#582646 Sep 1, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
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I would not call someone a pervert because they were gay. Neither would I wish someone dead or piss on their grave.
When you think about all the things that are said against Christians, what ever has been said against Gays in here is not any wore or maybe even not as bad as what has been said about our Lord and savior or/and Christians. What about that?? Or is trash talk against Christ and Christians ok but a no no only if the subject is gays??
I do not believe Chris hates Gays. He certainly would not have shared what he has with us. I said before and will say it again. There are gay haters out there and they are not Christians either. It is unreasonable to blame Christians for all that you think is bad. To do so is just a person using it to justify not liking Christians.
christianity is a Failed moral philosophy

I despise the effects that filthy system has had upon it's followers.

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#582647 Sep 1, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>I read further and I have to respectfully disagree with the author and that particular viewpoint...well, not entirely anyways because I can, in some ways, understand why Atheists are frustrated when trying to explain their views. But one can't get around the fact of "lack of evidence" supposedly... helps to shape their beliefs either way. A belief that a deity doesn't exist is still a belief. I could say, I have a lack of belief in Hermes all day but still yet... I believe hermes doesn't exist. It's a belief.
As far as proving anything. I can't speak for all theists but some theists, like myself, talk from a position of how can anyone believe, when following it to it's logical conclusion, that we just came out of chaos and poof!...exist? There's really nothing to prove 'cept try and explain.
A good friend of mine put it as such, and maybe this will help you.




The atheist position is not that the answer is no. It is that there is no reason to ask the question.- fukrot

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#582648 Sep 1, 2013
"Smith coined the term implicit atheism to refer to "the absence of theistic belief without a conscious rejection of it" and explicit atheism to refer to the more common definition of conscious disbelief. Ernest Nagel contradicts Smith's definition of atheism as merely "absence of theism", acknowledging only explicit atheism as true "atheism'."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism
BenAdam wrote:
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I am not sure if I am an atheist.
I don't believe that a sky-god throws lightening from the sky, but I don't deny the existence of electricity.
I find the magic of electricity to be more divinely awesome than some boring sky god although the sky god is easier to understand.
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Do you believe in the possibility that a god created everything?
BenAdam wrote:
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I do believe in a Universal creative force, YES. I don't know what It calls itself.
Qu_innocence wrote:
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Then you're not a True Atheist™ At least that's part of what I read this morning on atheism.
karl44 wrote:
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If you actually intended the word "believe"; the answer is an emphatic NO!
Ben disagrees with you on that point.

Do you explicitly believe that a god or gods cannot exist at all... ever??? OR do you implicitly believe in the possibility of their existence?

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#582650 Sep 1, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
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Don't you dare play no damn games with me. I'm of higher voltage than you could ever have a nightmare over. You don't understand a lot of things and you choosen not to try to understand a lot of things. You and afew others have come in this thread and made it into you own personal play ground of mischief, hatefulness, mockery and in general a slut house. You have disrespected people that never done one damn dirty deed to not a one of you. People who been here for years with each other. You worked at destroying friendships and you certainly have not made the effort to make friend with not a one of the older ones who's been on this thread a number of years. Instead you mocked, played, entertained yourself like some two year old in a sand box. What may be silly to you others treasure dearly yet you think it is your privilege to destroy that. If you do not like religion then you need to find a place where the program you promoting fits. Damn right it not my fault it is yours and you responsible for the way you conduct yourself. Now I going to tell you straight up front stay if you want or leave if you want because I could give a rats azz what you think of me but you can bet your sweet panties I gonna keep you on the line when it comes to the posters that been here for years.So you best watch how you choose to abuse them.
It's your religion, dear. It's not mine.

Right now you seem to be confused about what it means. I could be wrong about that because it's not my religion.

You tell me.

Or we could just hug.

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#582651 Sep 1, 2013
Here For Now wrote:
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RT As far as Gays being real, I agree, I have even touched one, imagine that.
As for the rest, wrong. But that you don’t know that is no surprise. You have made that plain from the start. Nothing you can say can make God or Christians for that matter (which you managed to somehow, yeal right, leave out) unreal. Absolutely nothing. So what if you don’t believe. God has proven to me that He is real. Absolutely nothing you say or can say will nor can it change that. I an under no obligation to prove it to you. By now you have been around us Christians long enough to know how to find out, unless your heart has hardened too much. Then I still can’t help you. It is time you grow up and take responsibility for that yourself. It is between you and God now. I have nothing to do with it. Do as you like.
HFN
I talked to jesus the christ

he tried to pimp out his mom to me

I am not impressed

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#582652 Sep 1, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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No,#3 is not the atheist position.
Sure it is... who is the author in your link writing about then?

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#582653 Sep 1, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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christianity is a Failed moral philosophy
I despise the effects that filthy system has had upon it's followers.
Take you nickels worth and go else where you disrespectful jerk.

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#582654 Sep 1, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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A good friend of mine put it as such, and maybe this will help you.
The atheist position is not that the answer is no. It is that there is no reason to ask the question.- fukrot
Sure there is a atheist question. It is, "How can people in this day and age believe in a Deity?" It may not be verbatim but isn't that what Hiding asks quite often?---> Followed by, "Get an edja-mah-cation!" ???

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#582655 Sep 1, 2013
lil whispers wrote:
Don't you dare play no damn games with me. I'm of higher voltage than you could ever have a nightmare over. You don't understand a lot of things and you choosen not to try to understand a lot of things. You and afew others have come in this thread and made it into you own personal play ground of mischief, hatefulness, mockery and in general a slut house. You have disrespected people that never done one damn dirty deed to not a one of you. People who been here for years with each other. You worked at destroying friendships and you certainly have not made the effort to make friend with not a one of the older ones who's been on this thread a number of years. Instead you mocked, played, entertained yourself like some two year old in a sand box. What may be silly to you others treasure dearly yet you think it is your privilege to destroy that. If you do not like religion then you need to find a place where the program you promoting fits. Damn right it not my fault it is yours and you responsible for the way you conduct yourself. Now I going to tell you straight up front stay if you want or leave if you want because I could give a rats azz what you think of me but you can bet your sweet panties I gonna keep you on the line when it comes to the posters that been here for years.So you best watch how you choose to abuse them.
I think one of them thar rabbi raccoons gotcha.

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#582656 Sep 1, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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This scale is flawed for it's use of "God" instead of "deity/deities".
"God" does not and cannot exist, because "God" is defined in logical contradictions.
If there is a deity, the Bible does not describe it.
I guess now I'm finding out that some atheist like Dawkin's handiwork and some atheists don't.

Obviously, I'm not an atheist... but Richard Dawkins, "The Guy" wrote it himself. Okay... oh well, so you disagree with what he wrote. Now understood...no probs.

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#582657 Sep 1, 2013
I forgot.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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#582658 Sep 1, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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It's your religion, dear. It's not mine.
Right now you seem to be confused about what it means. I could be wrong about that because it's not my religion.
You tell me.
Or we could just hug.
Me confused lol the sht you do not try. Love to take you down the river and wash you with lye soap from the inside out. Tammy think I ask that be done real soon to ya. You best sleep with one eye open cause the spirit just might show up.

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#582659 Sep 1, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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I talked to jesus the christ
he tried to pimp out his mom to me
I am not impressed
Awee hell man you pimp popcycle if it had money.

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#582660 Sep 1, 2013
scaritual wrote:
No,#3 is not the atheist position.
Nor is the missionary position.

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#582661 Sep 1, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I think one of them thar rabbi raccoons gotcha.
OH yea your next on the list for a good whippin too.

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#582662 Sep 1, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>Sure there is a atheist question. It is, "How can people in this day and age believe in a Deity?" It may not be verbatim but isn't that what Hiding asks quite often?---> Followed by, "Get an edja-mah-cation!" ???
Don't be angry.

Until I(an atheist) see evidence that is unbiased and does not require a special belief to accept, the theistic belief that there are deities is impossible.

I can't have a theistic belief there are deities because I have not seen anything that would convince me there are deities.

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#582663 Sep 1, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
I forgot.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
You forgot well that figures. Leave the manenkin alone in the window and he forget and starts figuring the other dolls.

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