Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#578565 Aug 25, 2013
Progressive Christianity:

"rogressive Christianity is the alternative name given to a movement within contemporary Christianity, more commonly referred to as the Emerging Church. The movement is characterized by a willingness to question tradition, acceptance of human diversity with a strong emphasis on social justice or care for the poor and the oppressed (often identified as minority groups) and environmental stewardship of the Earth. Progressive Christians have a deep belief in the centrality of the instruction to "love one another" (John 15:17) within the teaching of Jesus Christ.[1] This leads to a focus on compassion, promoting justice and mercy, tolerance, and working towards solving the societal problems of poverty, discrimination and environmental issues, especially by social and political activism. Comparatively, a further understanding within Christianity being of the Greek word agape or agapaó as used within John 15:17 translated to the English word "love" as that being of "i.e. embracing God's will (choosing His choices) and obeying them through His power".[2]

This movement is by no means the only significant movement of progressive thought among Christians (see the 'See also' links below), but it is currently a focus of such issues in many parts of the world.

Progressive Christianity draws on the insights of multiple theological streams including: 19th century evangelicalism, 19th and early 20th century Christian liberalism, 20th century neo-orthodoxy, and late 20th and 21st century liberation theology.[3] The characteristics of Progressive Christianity, and its distinction from Liberal Christianity, have been articulated in an article[4] by Hal Taussig. These can be summarized as:

A spiritual vitality and expressiveness, including participatory, arts-infused, and lively worship as well as a variety of spiritual rituals and practices such as meditation
Intellectual integrity including a willingness to question
An affirmation of human diversity
An affirmation of the Christian faith with a simultaneous sincere respect for other faiths
Strong ecological concerns and commitments"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Chri...

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#578566 Aug 25, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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What really sucks is to think you know everything.
Your research skills are rather limited
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Carpent...
Occupation English socialist poet, anthologist, early gay activist and socialist philosopher
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Cumont
After receiving royal travelling fellowships, he undertook archaeology in Pontus and Armenia (published in 1906) and in Syria, but he is best known for his studies on the impact of Eastern mystery religions, particularly Mithraism, on the Roman Empire. Cumont's international credentials were brilliant, but his public circumspection was not enough. In 1910, Baron Edouard Descamps, the Catholic Minister of Sciences and Arts at the University of Ghent, refused to approve the faculty's unanimous recommendation of Cumont for the chair in Roman History, Cumont having been a professor there since 1906. There was a vigorous press campaign and student agitation in Cumont's favor, because the refusal was seen as blatant religious interference in the University's life. When another candidate was named, in 1912, Cumont resigned his positions at the University and at the Royal Museum in Brussels, left Belgium and henceforth divided his time between Paris and Rome.
http://books.google.com/books...
Try harder
The oldist churches on the planet have swastikas all over the windows and walls.
Should I explain? Does it matter?
I don't waste any time or mythology
ANY Christian historian will tell you that the bible had reincarnation INSIDE IT, but it was taken out due to political motive by the "Ecumenical Council meeting of the Catholic Church in Constantinople sometime around 553 A.D"
I find it interesting after reading up on them both... only difference is that krishna was the first to preach it then 7000 years later jesus comes along and start to preach the same kinda story line!
Just like Mithras and Granddaddy of them all HORUS
The word mother & father started off in indian via sanskrit which is older then the Hebrew writing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanskrit
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus
http://www.miraclescenter.us/jesuskrishnabudd...
Don't get angry; get good.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#578567 Aug 25, 2013
Doctor REALITY wrote:
<quoted text>That's REAL funny, huh?? Let's see how 'funny' you think it is after you die and awaken to the new REALITY of being a hopeless soul suffering in hell FOREVER.
If anyone here is going to Hell, it is you.

May you get what you wish on others.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#578568 Aug 25, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Nothing. Unless someone tries to use it as an insult against someone to imply their own perceived superiority
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Nothing. Unless someone tries to use it as an insult to imply their own perceived superiority
For example, if someone were to say:
"Hey we can't all be stock-brokers. You can always pump my gas. The world still needs gas-station attendants"
You see how the context makes it an insult
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Well I would agree you are an elitist but not for the reasons you think
Elitist to me has nothing to do with religious beliefs or even intelligence. There are very stupid, useless people born into money that are elitists. They look down on people without money despite the fact they did nothing to earn their money and couldn't support themselves if they had to because they have no skills
That is just one example however
I consider an elitist as anyone who thinks they are better than another group of people based on a reason with no merit. Or the reason they are using has no relevance to the group they think they are better than or no relevant bearing on what ways they think they are better
Examples:
Someone rich thinking they are inherently more moral or a better quality of person than someone with less money
Someone who is educated thinking that means they are more moral than someone who isn't
Someone who thinks being an atheist makes them better than someone of faith
And so on
I've heard of these gas-station attendants. How cool would that be? I heard you just drove up and somebody would come out to your car and pump gas, check your oil, check your tire pressure and wash your windshield. Who thought that was a bad idea? Why did that stop?

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#578569 Aug 25, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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they discard the old testament? But not the new?
They can't have it both ways, all or none.
You can't pick and choose what to believe in.
Well, you can, but then that makes it basically your own religion, and by definition that makes it your own imagination.
Why was the NT necessary?
When did god decide the OT required modification and further obfuscation?
The "Word of God", far from being inerrant, has always been a work in progress.
Because Emperor Constantine said so in 350 AD.
That is the only real reason.
Imhotep

Windermere, FL

#578570 Aug 25, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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LOL.
And I won an Olympic gold medal, a Nobel Prize, the Heisman Trophy, and an Oscar.
My lawyer works for the law firm:
Dewey Cheatum and Howe.

Lawyer: Algonquin J Calhoun Esq.
Honors: Mystic Knights of the Sea - "Great supreme kingfish"

Does he count in the awards category?

I did get an award once, But now I have amnesia and Déjà Vu at the same time, Therefore I think I have forgotten it before.
~SW

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#578571 Aug 25, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Which places it prior to Herotodus discussing it in 440 BC.
Thanks for playing.
"You are the weakest link"
I suggest you actually read what I wrote, or more importantly, read what Ulansey and Beck wrote: The Mytharic mysteries arose at roughly the same time as Christianity and dating Roman Mithraism based on the Persian Zoroastrianism is like dating Christianity based on Judaism.

It's not my fault you're slow, gardener-in-the-tomb boy.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#578572 Aug 25, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I've heard of these gas-station attendants. How cool would that be? I heard you just drove up and somebody would come out to your car and pump gas, check your oil, check your tire pressure and wash your windshield. Who thought that was a bad idea? Why did that stop?
They used to bring your burger and fries to your car with a door tray in the old days too.
Doctor REALITY

Little Rock, AR

#578573 Aug 25, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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If anyone here is going to Hell, it is you.
May you get what you wish on others.
Anyone, SUCH AS YOURSELF, who spends the vast majority of their waking hours posting to people on the internet must live a very miserable life.

“"None shall pass"”

Since: Jul 11

There

#578574 Aug 25, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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I suggest you actually read what I wrote,.....
I did. Here is what I saw:

Imhotep

Windermere, FL

#578575 Aug 25, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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God gets cranky when he doesn't get his nap.
Tell me about it!

Every time I piss him off... the nearest shrubbery catches on fire!

As usual his aim is terrible.
What can you expect from a guy that cursed a fig tree? He should understand that there is no shrubbery in a car or motel room!

Did I mention I was recently out in Yosemite texting? Lightning bolts for following my car!

I was just thinking about driving past Disney on my way back what you think?

Since: Sep 10

Long Beach, CA

#578576 Aug 25, 2013
River Tam wrote:
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I've heard of these gas-station attendants. How cool would that be? I heard you just drove up and somebody would come out to your car and pump gas, check your oil, check your tire pressure and wash your windshield. Who thought that was a bad idea? Why did that stop?
I grew up in South America where those practices were routine.

My maternal grandfather (to me, a hero) was a practical joker. After two gas station attendants finished on his car, he would hand one of them a 50 peso bill and tell him to share it with the second guy. Then he would go to the second guy and tell him to make sure his buddy split that 100 with him.
He would then drive off, chuckling.

I thought he was the coolest person in the world.

He died 30 years ago. I still think he was the coolest person in the world.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#578577 Aug 25, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
even in English Literature it didn't come up
We had to do essays like compare and contrast Thoreau and Emmerson
You aren't really suggesting every well-known author is taught in college are you? Perhaps if someone is an English Literature major but certainly not part of the general curriculum.
It's not about going to a college.

It's about an active mind that wonders and remembers. It's about exposure and retention everywhere in life, including reading books or even just browsing book stores, listening to intelligent people converse in private life or the media, or having enough curiosity to Google something just because it's unfamiliar.

No, it's not about college. I read Vonnegut before I ever saw a university, along with hundreds of other significant authors. I also know what Vonnegut looks like because I remember him in Rodney Dangerfield's Back To School:


So, it's about being alert and being able to remember, which includes casual references from pop culture such as a scene from a movie hardly aimed at intellectuals.

But that leaves you out. You are an incurious nihilarian. As a result, even this late in your life, you have authoritative knowledge about nothing at all - no authority and no expertise, like a teenager.

You have found your place: at the bottom.

“What game?”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#578578 Aug 25, 2013
Qu_innocence wrote:
<quoted text>"Hot springs on the ocean floor are called hydrothermal vents."
http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/eoi/nemo/explorer/co...
__________
Still waiting for answer on how the Hebrews knew about these springs in the deep before it was discovered in 1977. And the song, "there's a hole in the bottom of the sea" isn't an answer (@ Ben, wink wink)
They didn't. They couldn't. They were most likely equating (wrongly) their observations of spring fed lakes to the ocean. Those things on the ocean floor are not springs. They are thermal vents. Much like the geysers in Yellowstone. The water flows in and is subsequently pushed out. It's not making new water. If those vents actually let loose, the world won't be covered with water. It will be covered with hot ash, rocks and lava.
Clearwater

Clearwater, FL

#578579 Aug 25, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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I have shown both with the Bible itself and the history of the Church leaders that you are wrong and that the arguement against "original sin" has existed within Christianity for 1500 years.
You have neither shown that the concept of original sin nor that the phrase original sin is Biblical. All you have done is demand I agree with you or I am going to Hell.
Please stick your scary chick on a stick up your ass.
May you see God's face soon.
I don't know what you feel to keep wishing death on folks. Hope you feel better.

Since: Jul 08

Columbus, OH

#578580 Aug 25, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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I did. Here is what I saw:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Cgb-JDLIOG0XX
I recommend a remedial reading course.
Bongo

Patchogue, NY

#578581 Aug 25, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
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I grew up in South America where those practices were routine.
My maternal grandfather (to me, a hero) was a practical joker. After two gas station attendants finished on his car, he would hand one of them a 50 peso bill and tell him to share it with the second guy. Then he would go to the second guy and tell him to make sure his buddy split that 100 with him.
He would then drive off, chuckling.
I thought he was the coolest person in the world.
He died 30 years ago. I still think he was the coolest person in the world.
Im shedding a tear thinking how that was the inspiration for what you became.
Imhotep

Windermere, FL

#578582 Aug 25, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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I suggest you actually read what I wrote, or more importantly, read what Ulansey and Beck wrote: The Mytharic mysteries arose at roughly the same time as Christianity and dating Roman Mithraism based on the Persian Zoroastrianism is like dating Christianity based on Judaism.
It's not my fault you're slow, gardener-in-the-tomb boy.
You do like to beat a dead horse don't you?

The Mithraic Mysteries or Mysteries of Mithras (also Mithraism) was a mystery religion which became popular among the military in the Roman Empire, from the 1st to 4th centuries AD. Information on the cult is based mainly on interpretations of monuments.

The earliest Mithraic monument showing Mithras slaying the bull is thought to be CIMRM 593. This is a depiction of Mithras killing the bull, found in Rome. There is no date, but the inscription tells us that it was dedicated by a certain Alcimus, steward of T. Claudius Livianus. Vermaseren and Gordon believe that this Livianus is a certain Livianus who was commander of the Praetorian guard in 101 AD, which would give an earliest date of 98-99 AD.

An altar or block from near SS. Pietro e Marcellino on the Esquiline in Rome was inscribed with a bilingual inscription by an Imperial freedman named T. Flavius Hyginus, probably between 80-100 AD. It is dedicated to Sol Invictus Mithras.

CIMRM 2268 is a broken base or altar from Novae/Steklen in Moesia Inferior, dated 100 AD, showing Cautes and Cautopates.

Other early archaeology includes the Greek inscription from Venosia by Sagaris actor probably from 100–150 AD; the Sidon cippus dedicated by Theodotus priest of Mithras to Asclepius, 140-141 AD; and the earliest military inscription, by C. Sacidius Barbarus, centurion of XV Apollinaris, from the bank of the Danube at Carnuntum, probably before 114 AD.

The last is the earliest archaeological evidence outside Rome for the Roman worship of Mithras, a record of Roman soldiers who came from the military garrison at Carnuntum

The earliest dateable Mithraeum outside Rome dates from 148 AD. The Mithraeum at Caesarea Maritima is the only one in Palestine and the date is inferred.

Although it is clear that grey areas exist, and the dating is also vague, what remains for certain is that this movement existed (will you assert that it did not) and also bore certain similarities to some of your dogma.

“If Christianity had been checked in its growth by some deadly disease, the world would have become Mithraic.”
Joseph Renan

There are a number of key crossroads in human history, where if the right path had been selected, humanity would have been spared endless horrors and found itself far further advanced along its evolutionary path.

One such crossroads was Christianity versus Mithraism. We might now be living in a new Garden of Eden if we had chosen correctly, but humanity made the wrong selection, as it always does.

The story of how Christianity triumphed over Mithraism is a scandalous one. It was accomplished by a flagrant act of theft, a vast cover-up and an ongoing deception about the true nature of Christianity.

The man at the centre of the crime was the true founder of Christianity: St Paul.

“ Ah see's lanlubbers Cap'n BT!”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#578583 Aug 25, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
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Also, considering that 99% of the Antarctic ice is sitting on a continent the size of the USA, how do you propose to push all that ice into the ocean at once ?
I don't. If just the western shelf were to collapse, the sea level would rise by 12 feet. Once this happens, the glaciers that the shelf holds back and slows would rapidly increase in speed toward the ocean. The ice sheets are "balancing" on a body of inland water nearly 8000 square miles. If a collapse compromises that body, there would be a major disaster in the making for oceans and earth climate.
It could raise sea levels 175 feet if the locked glaciers are released.

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#578584 Aug 25, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
You do nothing for society
How's work? Are you making a difference at the warehouse?

And the wife and kids? How are they?

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