Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“Ditat Deus”

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#576724 Aug 22, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
<quoted text>Hey BT
In fairness though all this really shows is that anything can be used as a pretext. Look at the Kenyan death squads run by police and the mass murders and constant church attacks. Look at the entire region and how systematically bombing churches has become part of military strategy.
If someone wanted to get people to retaliate against "evil doers" it wouldn't take much of a push. Pretty much any reason would suffice. It's the same way many in Al Queida aren't real Muslims. At least not for the right reasons. They actively recruit in war-torn, poverty-stricken violent places where life has little value and death brings little fear. It is easy to take hate and pain and indifference to human suffering and provide a target for it. It is even easier to give someone a "righteous" reason to do it.
But try getting people from peaceful areas with little financial burden and less crime and violence and try to sell them on the idea of killing in the name of God and see how far it goes. Heck I could probably convince people in Kenya who have had relatives or friends whisked away and chopped into bits or that have seen horrors perpetuated every day to kill people based on astrology.
The Bible can be misused. And yes the belief in God can be a powerful way to manipulate someone given how much more is at stake for a believer in terms of an after life. But at the end of the day if it wasn't that it would have been something else.
I don't know who was behind the missionaries or who they answers to or if maybe it was a setup to discredit them and get them out. Although clearly someone is to blame and they misused the Bible to help them do their dirty work. It's sad but hardly a surprise as life holds little value in many of these countries.
But to blame the Bible is to remove personal responsibility. Nobody could ever convince me God wants me going around killing people. And for anybody that allowed themselves to believe it so they had a justification for their vengeance and anybody whi taught them that...well shame on them. They will answer to the God they pretended to represent some day I believe. But the Bible didn't make them do it any more than you guys accept the devil made someone do something. I don't accept that either btw. We all are responsible for our own actions
(T) Peace
<standing ovation>

“Ditat Deus”

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#576726 Aug 22, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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Neither. I can't remember a time when I was not a Christian. I was born this way.
Black Thunder 42 wrote:
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Yer not the only one who was borne with a disability.
Oooh.. Ouch.

Feel the BUUURNNNN

“Ditat Deus”

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#576727 Aug 22, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
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Christopher Hitchens?
Wait a minute let me stop laughing....
You're using Christopher Hitchens as your source for anything close to the "real truth"?
Hang on I'm almost done laughing....
Christopher Hitchens, the most twisted atheist to ever live?
Just a second, almost done laughing....
He's your source for the "real truth"?
Wow, you are out there Skippy.
_______
You should take your ideas of the "real truth" on the road. I'm sure there's a traveling carnival out there just looking for a freak show like you to entertain the masses.
Too funny!!!
HA HA!!!

"My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilisation, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either."

Christopher Hitchens

What a great "source".

“Ditat Deus”

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#576728 Aug 22, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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<sigh>
“Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”
Albert Einstein
- Albert Einstein, Out Of My Later Years:
"One strength of the Communist system ...is that it has some of the characteristics of a religion and inspires the emotions of a religion."
"Learn from yesterday, live for today, hope for tomorrow."
Albert Einstein (1879 - 1955)
"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."
-Albert Einstein
I particularly like this one - taken from a letter Einstein wrote shortly before he died....
"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish.
"No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this"
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." ~Albert Einstein
"Thus I came...to a deep religiosity, which, however, reached an abrupt end at the age of 12. Through the reading of popular scientific books I soon reached a conviction that much in the stories of the Bible could not be true.... Suspicion against every kind of authority grew out of this experience...an attitude which has never left me." ~Albert Einstein
"I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it." ~Albert Einstein
"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism." ~Albert Einstein
And I saved the best for last... LOL
"He who joyfully marches in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would suffice."
-Albert Einstein
Funny, I don't hear any laughter?
"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein

"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
-Albert Einstein
Imhotep

United States

#576729 Aug 22, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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"I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details."
-Albert Einstein
"My religion consists of a humble admiration of the illimitable superior spirit who reveals himself in the slight details we are able to perceive with our frail and feeble mind."
-Albert Einstein
Epic Fail RH

Ah, here we go with Einstein again.

Einstein was not a theist, at the very most he was a deist, but even that is up for discussion since he hints at having a definition of a god that isn’t really a god at all.

It’s more of a term simply to describe the wonders of the world itself, and not an intelligent force, whether personal or not.

It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.

What part of this statement befuddles thou ?

“Ditat Deus”

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#576730 Aug 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I agree. I like the parts of him that have nothing to do with his religion.
But when his vile church with its extremely divisive hive mentality speaks through him, he transforms into something repulsive. We see it with so many of the these people, like Trifecta and Skombolis. They also transforms into something repulsive and seethe the hatred that they have been taught at whomever criticizes the hive
Their church can't die fast enough.
It's not dying, IANS, it's rising faster than you can imagine.

Sorry.

“Ditat Deus”

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#576731 Aug 22, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
I understand why Stalin and many others tried to stamp out all religions. I don't agree with the methods but I do agree with the principle. Religion is the last vestige of faulty primitive superstition and needs to be eliminated.

Tide with Beach wrote:
We're enlightening people using social pressure and education instead of torches.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Well said.
That is exactly what we are doing. We have identified something that we consider unwholesome and burdensome, and we are attempting to excise it from our culture using words. Our goals are humanist and our methods democratic. If we are wrong, our message will not resonate with people, and we will fail. If the church is wrong, its message will not resonate, and it will die.
Why hasn't this already happened? We never had a voice. The church had so successfully stigmatized us that we were seen as enemies of society - demon infested agents of evil opposed to whatever is good and right, with the church defining itself as good and right.
But at long last, here we are, thanks to modern media. Telecommunications and the Internet have exposed the church for what it is - a lie.
Think of the Catholic pedophile scandal. Once, the church could keep its crimes secret by negotiating settlements that had to be kept secret or they would be forfeited. Then came the Internet, and people could anonymously defy that secrecy provision and find one another. When the sheer numbers of these victims finally surfaced, the issue got legs, and the Catholic church was severely damaged.
Scandals like that and the Protestant televangelist scandals came on top of one another in the age of national and transnational broadcasting. Nothing is local any more, and the big picture emerges.
The entertainment media began depicting the church and clergy as jokes. Best-selling books appeared. Websites like Talk Origins and Evil Bible sprang up. And the message boards like Topix.
And here we are today, still forming, still developing, and still growing.
And the reaction: "You people and your movement are meaningless," "Our church is growing in Malaysia and China," "Scripture foretells this so the bible must be of divine origin," and "Only bigots hate us."
It's a privilege to be alive now and to be able not only to witness this, but also to be able to help.
LOL

I see a motion picture coming soon...

"The Merry Band of the Three Enlightened Ones Strikes Again!"

Stop waiving that scary chicken thin, IANS. You're only convincing you and your handful of Topix followers.

“Ditat Deus”

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#576732 Aug 22, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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Neither. I can't remember a time when I was not a Christian. I was born this way.
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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It's introjection, RR.
If you think it's introjection, then that would further my argument that I was born this way...

“Ditat Deus”

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#576733 Aug 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
What hypocrisy? They all do it for power. Stalin didn't do act in the name of atheism.
The, uh... Hypocrisy I just mentioned.
...

If you live in a democratic society and have rights, you can thank humanism.
HA HA HA!!!

Ok, dude man. OK..

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

Since: Sep 08

The Borderland of Sol

#576734 Aug 22, 2013
BenAdam wrote:
Just watched a Rabbi on ShalomTV.
Here are some highlights of the Jewish Tradition:
"God can not be proven to exist."
"All Scripture is metaphorical parables."
"God does not interfere with man or nature."
"The Torah is called "The Book of Man" NOT "The Word of God."
"God does not write or speak anything at all."
"Each generation has its own interpretation and understanding of God."
In other words, they make it up as they go along.

Well, we knew that.

“Ditat Deus”

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#576735 Aug 22, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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Just look at the works of Washington, Newton, Mozart, Pascal, Boyle, Cromwell, Descartes, Shakespeare, Galilei, Copernicus, Pasteur, Kelvin, Edison, Bell, Tesla, Planck, Ford, the Wright bros, Churchill, Lewis, Kennedy, and arguably Darwin.
Then you'll start to understand the contributions Christians and Christianity have given to this world.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Oh. I thought that you were saying that Christianity had merit, not just that some people who might also have been Christians made contributions.
WTF?

Christianity IS the Christians.
I don't say that Christians have made no contribution. I say Christianity and the church haven't.
Oh boy, you're really losing it with this kind of thinking.
The gifts those great people gave us came from their great minds, not your church or bible.
Their "great minds" accepted the Bible and accepted their belief that God is real and influences our lives.
My point is that the church hasn't and doesn't help mankind,
Then you're an ignorant fool. Why do you ignore what churches have done for our world?
and that its loss will be no loss at all.
Scary chicken time? Again?

(cue the music)

DUN DUHN DUUUUUUHNNN
Are we agreed there, or do you have something to offer as a counterargument?
There is no denying that the world is a better place because of Jesus.
Bongo

Bronx, NY

#576736 Aug 22, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Then you don't understand the most basic political philosophy underlying Americanism and the US Constitution.
Frankly, the wall is one way. The church is to hold no power or authority over the government, but the government still has authority over the church. If the church breaks American law, it is to be prosecuted. That's not exactly a separation. That's a hierarchy. One has power over the other, and not vice versa.
As far as freedom from religion not being a purpose of the separation clause, you must be in a coma.
Frankly, the only separation I care about in this matter is the separation of the church from citizens like me, not from the state. I want the power of the state to keep your church out of government, but not to let your church separate itself from its authority.
Sorry, but even though the American population has been more Christian than not for all of its history, its government has been secular since its inception.
Your "the wall is one way" claim is dubious at best. The Church is the "people" of for and by. They want and need law breakers to be prosecuted. So they have power over themselves, how clever.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#576737 Aug 22, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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The point is that it doesn't teach me to kill a witch, it doesn't teach the Christian next door to kill a witch and it doesn't teach any Christian to kill a witch.
I hope I've made that clear, but just in case;
The Bible does not tell a Christian that they're supposed to kill a witch.
Bloody Norah.

It tells them EXACTLY that.

Have you even read the effing thing?

“Ditat Deus”

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#576738 Aug 22, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
I'm spreading a Christian message of tolerance and understanding.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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That's not the Christian message. If you stand for the church, you stand for all of it that you don't disavow explicitly.
Yes it is the Christian message.

I'm sorry that you've had some bad experiences in a few churches throughout your days, but I've have very few.

Almost every Christian I've known are good-hearted and kind people that would give you the shirt off their back just to help you out, regardless of any (or no) religious affiliation.

You're trying to "stomp out" good people, IANS.

That's why you're losing.

“H-o-o-o-o-o-o-ld on thar!”

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#576739 Aug 22, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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It means that witches were, under the Jewish theocracy, like idolaters and blasphemers, to be put to death.
It's written for them, not for all.
So, the OT's out the window. Including Leviticus.

ALL of Leviticus.

“Ditat Deus”

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#576740 Aug 22, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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You weren't referring to killing in war, unless the war was against disobedient children. We started talking about it by talking of how your bible says to murder children from because disobedient.
You then claimed that it was fine, since it was legal at the time.
Oh, that, ya. The whole stoning of the disobedient child thing.

Ya, I remember. That for some reason (ignorance) you and your chums all read that as 'kill a young boy' or something and were trying to argue that the Bible tells US (today) to do the same.

Of course I'm gonna argue against ignorance.
Bongo

Bronx, NY

#576741 Aug 22, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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The, uh... Hypocrisy I just mentioned.
<quoted text>
HA HA HA!!!
Ok, dude man. OK..
Now that you've been white sheeted are you considering making a Dorkumentary . Would this possibly turn out to be a dorkudrama?

“Ditat Deus”

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#576742 Aug 22, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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This is just sad, I really pity you for how empty your mind must be.
I learned I was gay without being taught how to be gay, I just learned that instead of liking females, I like males.
You, on the other hand, HAVE TO be taught your religion.
Unless you're making the horribly stupid claim that when you were born, you already knew the stories about your god, Jesus, Moses, and so on?
No, I just learned on my own accord that I like Jesus instead of nothing.

I don't remember not being a Christian, so I must've been born this way.

Also, I don't have a choice, it's not like I can just stop being Christian.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

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#576743 Aug 22, 2013
.. thanks for imparting your scientific understanding ..
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Mutation :p
.. here's a 1 min. video with a different perspective. Christians can substitute the word 'alien' with God. The moderator claims, "There is no evidence of origin or mutation; that the (FOX P-2) gene came out of nowhere." Normally, there is evidence of mutation or origin, correct ??..



.. it would be great if we could address each claim individually and I would encourage participation by everyone, including Christians and BT ..

“Ditat Deus”

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#576744 Aug 22, 2013
Catcher1 wrote:
I think RH would burn witches at the stake, given the proper order from his deity.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
Of course he would. Those are Christian ethics: whatever they believe the god commands is good.
RiversideHick wrote:
You're both wrong. God has NEVER commanded a Christian to kill a witch.
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Your reading comprehension can be as bad as Skombolis'
Even if your god existed, and even the command to not suffer witches did not appear in your bible, it would remain true that Christians believe the whatever they understand their god to have commanded is good because it comes from the god /so called Divine Command ethics. From http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism... :
"The divine command theory (DCT) of ethics holds that an act is either moral or immoral solely because God either commands us to do it or prohibits us from doing it, respectively. On DCT the only thing that makes an act morally wrong is that God prohibits doing it, and all that it means to say that torture is wrong is that God prohibits torture."
So yes, Catcher and I are both correct.
Ya, no you're not. I would not kill a person for being a so-called witch.
Period.
You'll just have to accept that.
(and I could give a f_ck about infidels.org and what they have to say, I didn't even read that part)

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