“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573618 Aug 17, 2013
Lamchop wrote:
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It was the King of Canaan that told Abraham to sacrifice his son to the Canaanite deity Baal. God stopped him and told him to sacrifice a sheep instead.
Huh? Where does it say that? Here's the Bible passage:

"22 Some time later, God tested Abraham’s faith.“Abraham!” God called.

“Yes,” he replied.“Here I am.”

2 “Take your son, your only son—yes, Isaac, whom you love so much—and go to the land of Moriah. Go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will show you.”

3 The next morning Abraham got up early. He saddled his donkey and took two of his servants with him, along with his son, Isaac. Then he chopped wood for a fire for a burnt offering and set out for the place God had told him about. 4 On the third day of their journey, Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. 5 “Stay here with the donkey,” Abraham told the servants.“The boy and I will travel a little farther. We will worship there, and then we will come right back.”

6 So Abraham placed the wood for the burnt offering on Isaac’s shoulders, while he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them walked on together, 7 Isaac turned to Abraham and said,“Father?”

“Yes, my son?” Abraham replied.

“We have the fire and the wood,” the boy said,“but where is the sheep for the burnt offering?”

8 “God will provide a sheep for the burnt offering, my son,” Abraham answered. And they both walked on together.

9 When they arrived at the place where God had told him to go, Abraham built an altar and arranged the wood on it. Then he tied his son, Isaac, and laid him on the altar on top of the wood. 10 And Abraham picked up the knife to kill his son as a sacrifice. 11 At that moment the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven,“Abraham! Abraham!”

“Yes,” Abraham replied.“Here I am!”

12 “Don’t lay a hand on the boy!” the angel said.“Do not hurt him in any way, for now I know that you truly fear God. You have not withheld from me even your son, your only son.”

13 Then Abraham looked up and saw a ram caught by its horns in a thicket. So he took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering in place of his son. 14 Abraham named the place Yahweh-Yireh (which means “the Lord will provide”). To this day, people still use that name as a proverb:“On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided.”"

I find this disturbing for multiple reasons:

1. God quite clearly values fear. He doesn't want love in the above example, he wants pathetic fathers who are so frightened of him, they're kill their own sons. That's pretty sick.

2. The passage sounds like a deity who has gross insecurity issues. He doesn't sound omnipotent, omniscient, etc. Since he needed to test Issac, he quite clearly didn't know the future or what Issac would do - not omniscient. Since he declares that he wants Issac's fear, God comes across as but one deity of many - probably one of the weaker ones, given his insecurities.

3. God had no issues with Abraham's rampant lying and planned murder. That's not the morality of a perfect, divine being.

So thanks for that passage. Very instructive, thoroughly disturbing.
Neb Senu

Lansdowne, PA

#573619 Aug 17, 2013
Lamchop wrote:
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It was the King of Canaan that told Abraham to sacrifice his son to the Canaanite deity Baal. God stopped him and told him to sacrifice a sheep instead.
Oh Boy!
Even your knowledge of the land of Canaan is lacking.

Show where a king told Abram to sacrifice Isaac?

God told Abram to substitute a sheep instead?
You must own some odd convoluted mss.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#573620 Aug 17, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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"-from a psychiatrist," yes, I did say that.
How does hearing a loud voice from the clouds translate to praying?
I don't know.

I know I've never heard a voice from the clouds and I don't know of anyone that has.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#573621 Aug 17, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Yes, I said THAT, but THAT does not translate to prayer and does not prove his claim that "many atheists" believed that was referring to prayer.
Ooohhhhh..... Ok. I gotcha.

You win.
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#573622 Aug 17, 2013
Neb Senu wrote:
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Oh wow!
dr Shrink made a friend.
Lol!

That post of dr stink was funny!
Whew!

Dr stinks wheel spins but the hamsters been dead for years!
Neb Senu

Lansdowne, PA

#573624 Aug 17, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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I have always loved history.
We've walked the streets on Pompeii, stood in the colosseum, toured Luxor. Greece, and walked in Mayan ruins.
There, in stone, lies history.
Wish list:
Machu Picchu
Angkor Wat
Forbidden city
Taj Mahal
That's fantastic.
One of these days I'm gonna say, "Ah, the heck with it"!
I'm gonna to cross the sea and head for the promised land.

Have you had a chance to visit Abydos during your stay in Egypt?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573625 Aug 17, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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Nice.
"Are you religious?'Cause you're the answer to all my prayers."
"I'm not drunk, I'm just intoxicated by you."
No?
Maybe this'll work...
"I was so enchanted by your beauty that I ran into that wall over there. So I am going to need your name and number for insurance purposes."
The second one is charming. The first, frightening. The third, miserly!

Isn't there a famous one? "Who pulled all the stars out of the sky and put them in your eyes?" or something like that?

How about "if you were having sex with a hottie, and she put her hand up in the air to give you a high five, what would you do?"

"Give her a high five!"

"What's your number?"

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#573626 Aug 17, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Did u know that the Bible specifically forbids people from sacrificing their children?
Unless the deity decides it needs to make itself human so it can then sacrifice itself to itself to save its own creations from the wrath of itself.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#573627 Aug 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Blach! What a repulsive story!
Yes, that is a terrible story. But he left out the point of telling it, the very next verse.

30 Everyone who saw it was saying to one another,“Such a thing has never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Just imagine! We must do something! So speak up!”

That's what happens to a godless, kingless, lawless people like the Levites before they had any laws.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573629 Aug 17, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Words are the colors from the palette of our mind that we use to illustrate our thoughts to communicate verbal paintings to others so they can hear and see what we think.
Very nice, oh poet!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573630 Aug 17, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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Ooohhhhh..... Ok. I gotcha.
You win.
Woohooo! I win, I win, I win!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#573631 Aug 17, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Yes, that's 4 sure! I was only a kid back then so I did what kids do - sat down & shut up to avoid getting into trouble.
Looking back, it seems so shocking.
Very much so.

The last time I went to church, the dumb ass preacher was up there talking about tithing. Money, go figure. Anyway, when he got to the part where he said "God gets mad at you if you don't tithe", I just got up and walked out.

Freakin lunatic.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#573632 Aug 17, 2013
Lamchop wrote:
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I am not God.
You are weird.
Thanks for the belly laugh.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#573634 Aug 17, 2013
Lamchop wrote:
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Human sacrifice is an abomination to God.
The Jesus! would disagree.
Neb Senu

Lansdowne, PA

#573636 Aug 17, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Lol!
That post of dr stink was funny!
Whew!
Dr stinks wheel spins but the hamsters been dead for years!
Ah, shyt, I forgot.
I just skim this thread.
It just goes so quickly.
I think it was a post to a poster named skombolis.
It's the first time I read a shrink's post w/o any insults attached to it.

Perhap there's hope for our infamous village idiot?

“Merry Yuletide”

Since: Jun 13

Down Under

#573637 Aug 17, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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I forgot to mention that, thanks.
Otherwise Skom would claim I think using your ears means you're crazy.
You know how Skom is.
Yes, I do know. All those playground insults don't make him look too smart.
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#573638 Aug 17, 2013
Lamchop wrote:
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If it were a choice, I would be an atheist. I didn't choose, it just happened.
PTL!

<pun intended ;)>

If this pleases you and brings you happiness - I say enjoy it to the fullest. ;)

"Ye shall know the truth, and the truth
shall make you mad."
~ALDOUS HUXLEY
Neb Senu

Lansdowne, PA

#573640 Aug 17, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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Lift a rivet.
Lift a 4,500 lb stone.
Go.
LOL
Touche.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#573641 Aug 17, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Then what you are saying is that you can find scriptures that contradict Imhotep's citation about not praying publicly, and you think that your citations define appropriate public displays, while his don't apply to you.
I've seen that kind of thing once or twice before.
Any Christian who prefers the exact opposite doctrine is just as free and just as qualified by being spirit-filled to tell you that the scriptures you reject do apply, and that you are misinterpreting the ones you are giving priority to.
And who's to stop or correct either of you? Look at how you resolve your theological disputes. You just ignore one another, each considering himself the expert because the idea he has is conceived of as his god's idea revealed to him.
And that's how the same book can be used to support people as diverse as the Quakers and the Klan. Your bible doesn't actually tell you anything. You tell it.
Well said.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#573643 Aug 17, 2013
Neb Senu wrote:
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Oh wow!
dr Shrink made a friend.
And they will travel across the land in a gas filled balloon.

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