“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#573610 Aug 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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The dictionary definition is how I was using the word "argue." I didn't mean it in the sense that you took it, and would likely put the words "heated" or "angry" or something to qualify it. But I understand why you would take its meaning as you did.
It's kind of interesting that here you agree that the meaning of words by common usage can differ from the dictionary, yet in previous conversations you would not allow for such.
I'm glad we found an example with which you can identify. Perhaps you won't be so quick to call someone a liar in the future for not using a standard (or lay) dictionary definition of a word.
Words are the colors from the palette of our mind that we use to illustrate our thoughts to communicate verbal paintings to others so they can hear and see what we think.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573611 Aug 17, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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Whether as an allegory or not, a disgusting story is told about raping a woman to death:
" The man took his concubine, and brought her forth unto them; and they knew her, and abused her all the night until the morning: and when the day began to spring, they let her go." (Judges 19:25)
Her "lord" finds her dead in the morning. "And when he was come into his house, he took a knife, and laid hold on his concubine, and divided her, together with her bones, into twelve pieces." (Judges 19:29)
Would you read this story to your 12-year-old?
Blach! What a repulsive story!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573612 Aug 17, 2013
Lamchop wrote:
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It is also a violation of the Commandment to not lie about people.
I'm sorry, lie about people? In the two examples I gave, organizations were lying to people, not about people - unless you mean that they were lying about human biology.

Ok, if that's what you meant, that fits.

The Japanese gov't isn't Christian, though, so they wouldn't really care what your mythological text declares. Uhm...I really should know more about Shinto, but I don't. I don't know if Shinto has something to say about the above topic or not.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#573613 Aug 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Is this a test? Uh...let's see...
"is that a mirror in your pocket?"
"no, why?"
"because I'd really like to see myself there."
That one? No? You're pretty direct. Maybe this one:
"What time do you get off?"
"About 11."
"Why don't I get you off at 10?"
Nice.

"Are you religious?'Cause you're the answer to all my prayers."

"I'm not drunk, I'm just intoxicated by you."

No?

Maybe this'll work...

"I was so enchanted by your beauty that I ran into that wall over there. So I am going to need your name and number for insurance purposes."

“Electronic graffiti”

Since: Jun 13

Botany Bay

#573614 Aug 17, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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You went to a crappy church.
What did you do when you heard that? Did you walk out, argue with the preacher, talk about it after service, what?
Yes, that's 4 sure! I was only a kid back then so I did what kids do - sat down & shut up to avoid getting into trouble.

Looking back, it seems so shocking.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#573615 Aug 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Baby, that was just pillow talk.
Yes, ma'am.

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#573616 Aug 17, 2013
Lamchop wrote:
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I was being sarcastic, they taught me to think for myself.
I have my opinion and you have yours. I can not, and have no desire, to force my opinions on you.
I find nothing of value in golfing, many do. I do not hate them or demean for that. In your atheist opinion is there much of a difference between golf and the belief in God ?
Some tell me I am missing the point of golf, I don't think there is a point to it.
Do you think there is a point to religious beliefs ?
Only to the person that holds them.

That is why a religious belief retains the most power when held within the mind of the individual, and isn't made available to others to be evaluated.

A persons religious belief is unassailable when it is held privately and beyond the reach of scrutiny .

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#573617 Aug 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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If Lamchop is God, then who is Jesus?
The mashed potatoes.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573618 Aug 17, 2013
Lamchop wrote:
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It was the King of Canaan that told Abraham to sacrifice his son to the Canaanite deity Baal. God stopped him and told him to sacrifice a sheep instead.
Huh? Where does it say that? Here's the Bible passage:

"22 Some time later, God tested Abraham’s faith.“Abraham!” God called.

“Yes,” he replied.“Here I am.”

2 “Take your son, your only son—yes, Isaac, whom you love so much—and go to the land of Moriah. Go and sacrifice him as a burnt offering on one of the mountains, which I will show you.”

3 The next morning Abraham got up early. He saddled his donkey and took two of his servants with him, along with his son, Isaac. Then he chopped wood for a fire for a burnt offering and set out for the place God had told him about. 4 On the third day of their journey, Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. 5 “Stay here with the donkey,” Abraham told the servants.“The boy and I will travel a little farther. We will worship there, and then we will come right back.”

6 So Abraham placed the wood for the burnt offering on Isaac’s shoulders, while he himself carried the fire and the knife. As the two of them walked on together, 7 Isaac turned to Abraham and said,“Father?”

“Yes, my son?” Abraham replied.

“We have the fire and the wood,” the boy said,“but where is the sheep for the burnt offering?”

8 “God will provide a sheep for the burnt offering, my son,” Abraham answered. And they both walked on together.

9 When they arrived at the place where God had told him to go, Abraham built an altar and arranged the wood on it. Then he tied his son, Isaac, and laid him on the altar on top of the wood. 10 And Abraham picked up the knife to kill his son as a sacrifice. 11 At that moment the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven,“Abraham! Abraham!”

“Yes,” Abraham replied.“Here I am!”

12 “Don’t lay a hand on the boy!” the angel said.“Do not hurt him in any way, for now I know that you truly fear God. You have not withheld from me even your son, your only son.”

13 Then Abraham looked up and saw a ram caught by its horns in a thicket. So he took the ram and sacrificed it as a burnt offering in place of his son. 14 Abraham named the place Yahweh-Yireh (which means “the Lord will provide”). To this day, people still use that name as a proverb:“On the mountain of the Lord it will be provided.”"

I find this disturbing for multiple reasons:

1. God quite clearly values fear. He doesn't want love in the above example, he wants pathetic fathers who are so frightened of him, they're kill their own sons. That's pretty sick.

2. The passage sounds like a deity who has gross insecurity issues. He doesn't sound omnipotent, omniscient, etc. Since he needed to test Issac, he quite clearly didn't know the future or what Issac would do - not omniscient. Since he declares that he wants Issac's fear, God comes across as but one deity of many - probably one of the weaker ones, given his insecurities.

3. God had no issues with Abraham's rampant lying and planned murder. That's not the morality of a perfect, divine being.

So thanks for that passage. Very instructive, thoroughly disturbing.
Neb Senu

Lansdowne, PA

#573619 Aug 17, 2013
Lamchop wrote:
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It was the King of Canaan that told Abraham to sacrifice his son to the Canaanite deity Baal. God stopped him and told him to sacrifice a sheep instead.
Oh Boy!
Even your knowledge of the land of Canaan is lacking.

Show where a king told Abram to sacrifice Isaac?

God told Abram to substitute a sheep instead?
You must own some odd convoluted mss.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#573620 Aug 17, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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"-from a psychiatrist," yes, I did say that.
How does hearing a loud voice from the clouds translate to praying?
I don't know.

I know I've never heard a voice from the clouds and I don't know of anyone that has.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#573621 Aug 17, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Yes, I said THAT, but THAT does not translate to prayer and does not prove his claim that "many atheists" believed that was referring to prayer.
Ooohhhhh..... Ok. I gotcha.

You win.
Imhotep

Howey In The Hills, FL

#573622 Aug 17, 2013
Neb Senu wrote:
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Oh wow!
dr Shrink made a friend.
Lol!

That post of dr stink was funny!
Whew!

Dr stinks wheel spins but the hamsters been dead for years!
Neb Senu

Lansdowne, PA

#573624 Aug 17, 2013
Imhotep wrote:
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I have always loved history.
We've walked the streets on Pompeii, stood in the colosseum, toured Luxor. Greece, and walked in Mayan ruins.
There, in stone, lies history.
Wish list:
Machu Picchu
Angkor Wat
Forbidden city
Taj Mahal
That's fantastic.
One of these days I'm gonna say, "Ah, the heck with it"!
I'm gonna to cross the sea and head for the promised land.

Have you had a chance to visit Abydos during your stay in Egypt?

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573625 Aug 17, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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Nice.
"Are you religious?'Cause you're the answer to all my prayers."
"I'm not drunk, I'm just intoxicated by you."
No?
Maybe this'll work...
"I was so enchanted by your beauty that I ran into that wall over there. So I am going to need your name and number for insurance purposes."
The second one is charming. The first, frightening. The third, miserly!

Isn't there a famous one? "Who pulled all the stars out of the sky and put them in your eyes?" or something like that?

How about "if you were having sex with a hottie, and she put her hand up in the air to give you a high five, what would you do?"

"Give her a high five!"

"What's your number?"

“The eye has it...”

Since: May 09

Russell's Teapot

#573626 Aug 17, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Did u know that the Bible specifically forbids people from sacrificing their children?
Unless the deity decides it needs to make itself human so it can then sacrifice itself to itself to save its own creations from the wrath of itself.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#573627 Aug 17, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Blach! What a repulsive story!
Yes, that is a terrible story. But he left out the point of telling it, the very next verse.

30 Everyone who saw it was saying to one another,“Such a thing has never been seen or done, not since the day the Israelites came up out of Egypt. Just imagine! We must do something! So speak up!”

That's what happens to a godless, kingless, lawless people like the Levites before they had any laws.

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573629 Aug 17, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Words are the colors from the palette of our mind that we use to illustrate our thoughts to communicate verbal paintings to others so they can hear and see what we think.
Very nice, oh poet!

“Why does my ignorance”

Since: Mar 11

justify your deity?

#573630 Aug 17, 2013
RiversideHick wrote:
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Ooohhhhh..... Ok. I gotcha.
You win.
Woohooo! I win, I win, I win!

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

Location hidden

#573631 Aug 17, 2013
Rosa_Winkel wrote:
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Yes, that's 4 sure! I was only a kid back then so I did what kids do - sat down & shut up to avoid getting into trouble.
Looking back, it seems so shocking.
Very much so.

The last time I went to church, the dumb ass preacher was up there talking about tithing. Money, go figure. Anyway, when he got to the part where he said "God gets mad at you if you don't tithe", I just got up and walked out.

Freakin lunatic.

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