Why Should Jesus Love Me?

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#565887 Aug 1, 2013
Red Apples wrote:
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So true. In reality all a "theory" is is someones "best guess according to what they've been presented with". And so they "believe" what they've been presented with. Or simply put, they "believe" said "theory".
But of course they'll deny that it's "a belief" till they're blue in the face.
If it were a fact it would no longer be a theory. Pretty simple stuff really.**PORTIONS DELETED**
.. that a god(s) created the universe is a hypothesis, not a theory ..

.. if western educators accepted your claim as theory, it would be part of every school's scientific curriculum. This is exactly what Intelligent Design advocates tried to do. They failed because ID is not a theory, only a hypothesis ..

.. words are important. Changing their meaning to fit one's personal agenda hinders the acquisition of knowledge and an understanding of the world we live in ..

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#565888 Aug 1, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Philogeny has nothing to do with it.
You assume that virus are alive yet you can not define "life".
Is RNA "life" ?
Is a protein "life" ?
False. I gave you a definition. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it isn't a definition.

And, false again, contemporary life has everything - everything - to do with phylogeny. You cannot ignore history. You cannot ask ultimate questions about life while ignoring phylogeny.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#565889 Aug 1, 2013
Le_le wrote:
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I just read where he said you are lying..or you are just insane..
lol..
I believe you are neither..
Who wants to even associate w such a person as Skombolis ??
I don't get it..
And prolly never will..
Thank you Le_le, that means a lot. Skom is just very poor at reading and thinking. He accuses me of lying while lying himself - it's bizarre. To name two examples: I answered his questions three times, yet he accuses me of not answering; he had a conversation with HL that he denies - yet I posted it.

Only brain damage can explain this kind of behavior.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#565890 Aug 1, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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That would contradict the Laws of Entropy.
No, that's incorrect. That complexity arises from simplicity is described by chaos theory. It requires energy input, which is why it doesn't violate entropy.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#565891 Aug 1, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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This is the problem with many theists.
When the, deity mythology ( the origin of "all" ), of the theist is rejected by atheists due to a lack of any unbiased and/or unverifiable evidence their deity mythology, most theists take the stance that the atheist - must - have an alternative hypothesis or theory to replace the, deity mythology ( the origin of "all" ), that the theist believes in, and that the atheist - must - commit a faith supported belief to the alternative hypothesis or theory that the theist feels the atheist the - must - have, because the theist insists the atheist has to have an alternative to the theists, deity mythology ( the origin of "all" ).
As if an atheists rejection of a deity mythology demands an alternative to their belief, and all that it encompasses, in that deity mythology.
Then feel that it makes the theist position of believing in that unsupported by any unbiased or unverifiable evidence - deity mythology ( the origin of "all" )- as reasonable, based in logic, and comparable to science of any type.
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hahahaaaaa
Well said.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#565892 Aug 1, 2013
MisterCharrington wrote:
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It could have saved hours if only I had just said what you wanted?
Well there's the religious honesty we've come to know and loathe. LMAO
Totally. Skom has demonstrated his true, dishonest self - again - today.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#565893 Aug 1, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Forgot to mention that "alien life" may not use RNA or DNA and may not need carbon, oxygen and/or water.
That really depends on the number of stable and feasible alternatives. If DNA and RNA are but two of many, then you're correct. And you may be - some experiments demonstrate there are other ways of producing molecules that can store and pass on information.

“YO BOO”

Since: Sep 07

land of BOO

#565894 Aug 1, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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Totally. Skom has demonstrated his true, dishonest self - again - today.
I do that a lot its fun

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#565895 Aug 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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Your questions have been answered despite any reluctance, which is most assuredly not due to any belief that those answers point to your god or any other. What gives people pause are the tactics and ethics of Christian apologetics, and the generally aversion toward getting into another of these nonproductive and unpleasant conversations. We all know where this is going and how it will end up.
Very well said - very true.

We've had enough with the deception.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#565896 Aug 1, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
I think you miss my point.
I don't see a contradiction between the creation myth in Genesis and the Big Bang theory and evolution.
However, if you want to claim you "know" either one is "the undisputed truth" then we part ways.
Genesis a 6000 year old myth that comes very close to current scientific beliefs. The difference is that in the Hebrew text the acting force is represented as a deity while science uses mathematical constructs.... neither of which are any more "real" than the other.
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Genesis makes a number of mistakes and is part of a mythology that claims all kinds of nonsense.

The only way that you could make the claim above was if you were born into Western society and rationalized Genesis to fit your contemporary understanding of our scientific descriptions of reality.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#565897 Aug 1, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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Not at all. It has nothing at all to do with deities.
I am simply asking for a concise and meaningful definition of life.
Have yet to receive a coherent answer.
The same thing happens when I ask for concise and meaningful definition of species or God or mind or spirit or even deity.
I don't think so - you refused to engage with mine and you did away with key defining features merely because you didn't like them.

“A sentient umbrella speaks”

Since: Mar 11

Some stable somewhere

#565898 Aug 1, 2013
scaritual wrote:
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Probably a close description of life would be a self sustaining biological organism that reproduces subsequent biological organisms similar to itself in composition or makeup and does so within environmental constraints, with an ability to adapt within that environment which contributes to successive generations of those related biological organisms.
Maybe...
hahaa
That's good, but then you have to explain what you mean by "biological."

I like the above quite a bit, though. Not all individuals adapt - individual viruses don't, probably most internal parasites don't.
Bongo

Bronx, NY

#565899 Aug 1, 2013
Hidingfromyou wrote:
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No, that's incorrect. That complexity arises from simplicity is described by chaos theory. It requires energy input, which is why it doesn't violate entropy.
Your erudition is efficacious to my salbriousness
Bongo

Bronx, NY

#565900 Aug 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I just did.
But it won't be enough for him to stop arguing that point. Because that really is the whole argument in a nutshell: if you can't rule the possibility of a god, his choice to attribute it all to Jesus is as sound as any other position. He keeps his argument alive by arguing the part that can't be disputed, and to my knowledge, isn't being disputed.
If everyone signed the afore mentioned stipulation much unproductive rhetoric could be avoided.
mike

AOL

#565901 Aug 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Exactly
And on so many levels it is way less rationale than believing a higher life-form created us. On almost every level really. Like I said, if another religion espoused that theory they would mock it tirelessly. But their faith in their unbelief makes them flock to this theory with a passion because it is the only one they have. Guarantee if they had a better one, they would be swearing by that. Any theory that isn't faith-based really, regardless of themerit
Hello Skombolis

I liked the exchange, very entertaining, that's what is all about anyway," Entertainment".

You and others like you rally to pat one another on the back as you feel you,ve won, or honored the right to believe. Such a small victory as you all fail to adhere to your belief.

Belief has nothing to do with it, merely the right to believe is what it is all about.

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#565902 Aug 1, 2013
Happy Lesbo wrote:
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.. that a god(s) created the universe is a hypothesis, not a theory ..
.. if western educators accepted your claim as theory, it would be part of every school's scientific curriculum. This is exactly what Intelligent Design advocates tried to do. They failed because ID is not a theory, only a hypothesis ..
.. words are important. Changing their meaning to fit one's personal agenda hinders the acquisition of knowledge and an understanding of the world we live in ..
Good Morning HL. How are you? Sounds like I'm being overly coy here because I'm on the creationists' view of things... but can or did they yet find evidence of a jump or metamorphosis from one species to the other through the fossilized record? The last that I remember is that they could only theorize how one species turned into another.

Now, if it is still the case that they haven't yet found the evidence and proof of this change through the tens of millions of fossils on record then why do they get to call it a theory versus a hypothesis?

Interested in your thoughts on the matter... if I don't respond right away then hopefully 2morrow.

Thanks & love,

Quin

“I.Spirit.Son.God”

Since: Jan 12

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#565903 Aug 1, 2013
Tide with Beach wrote:
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I'll make you a deal. Bring me a fundamentalist Muslim, and I'll give them a text lashing they won't soon forget.
And make a nice balloon hat for him to wear.
Bring you?? You found this thread with Christians to oppose Christianity on your own, so why can't you find Muslims to oppose Islam to?

Well I can help you, a huge Islam forum is right here on topix:
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/islam

When you can show that you write 4000-10,000 plus writings raging against Islam as you do Christianity, then I can believe you're an atheist.

But you won't. Because you don't believe the God of Islam is real so you won't waste your time raging against Islam. But you are not convinced that the God of Christianity Jesus Christ isn't real.

And that makes your claim of being an atheist--Fraudulent.

Simple as that. Both Christianity and Islam has about the same effect in the world.

You're not kidding anyone here, dude, or gal.
mike

AOL

#565904 Aug 1, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Well, to be fair he is probably also more mature and honest:)
He wouldn't paint himself in silly corners or try to lie his way out of them
I have to remind myself at times these are people my age and up that have spent years of their life engaged in this Internet conflict. The ramifications of which have zero effect outside of their own imagination
People wake up and say day after to day, I'm gonna go find people who believe differently than me online and argue with them. It is no surprise that almost always the conversations devolve because they don't want an actual conversation or debate or to learn anything more or to understand anyone better. They just want to fight and their self-concept is based on the validation they receive from others like them
a few people have surprised me over the years. Not enough to make the gamble worth it any more. It was my mistake really as I should have known
(T) Peace
Funny!

Frustration has come to light, and rightfully so.
Anger and disappointment fill's your soul because a GOD will never speak from the sky on your behalf.

You and those like you, never bring a GOD with you.

Simplify things and bring forth a GOD!

“Runner John Green disqualified”

Since: Aug 12

4 Bible Scripture on headband

#565905 Aug 1, 2013
Epiphany2 wrote:
Today's Prayer
Dear Father in Heaven, I sing praise to you this morning. You have carried me through another year. You have blessed me and taken care of me. You have comforted me and guided me. You are my ever-present help. I praise you, God, from whom all blessings flow. I praise you above all heavenly hosts. I praise you Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You are the greatest. You are magnificent. You are worthy. I love you. In the name of Jesus I offer this praise, amen.
Prime time with God
Amen & Praise God.

“MEET KIKI -She Seeks Home”

Since: Oct 10

With Established Harem

#565906 Aug 1, 2013
It aint necessarily so wrote:
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I think that you are the one that makes up history. You habitually distort what I have said.
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There you go again. I never said that you made that statement, did I? Trifecta was the one I recall claiming that atheists don't exist, and it was he that I began rebutting.
Somehow, you've substituted yourself for Trifecta. He is the one who said that atheists don't exist. You merely offered an interpretation of what he might have meant, namely, that if a Christian believes that my inner self is a soul, and that if I experience an inner nature, that that was somehow an affirmation of your god's existence, and that therefore I was not an atheist - another tortured argument.
But it wasn't your claim that there are no atheists, nor did I say that you specifically made it. There was a flurry of posting by a few Christian contributors that I summarized like this in a post written to you at http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/T0N0LOR...
Rationalist: "I reject all theistic claims about all gods, making me an atheist"
Faith Based Thinker: "I prefer that your kind didn't exist, therefore, I will redefine atheist as somebody who never experiences an inner self, which is nobody.
This is a composite of multiple posters' comments. Nowhere does it say that you specifically said it all. Now you want me to prove that you did, and already have a chip on your shoulder regarding my response.
Your memory for events is unreliable. And you become petulant based on it. It a regular occurrence, and it's happening again. And you will be spitting venom within a few posts. It's your style.
.. linguists try to characterize with as much accuracy as possible the meanings of words ..

.. although semantic changes occur, when faith-based thinkers try to redefine a word like theory or atheist and debate it for years, what is the purpose? I fail to understand this and would welcome posts from both believers and non-believers ..

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