“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#552799 Jun 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
In the laws of the day, children could NOT be executed. You're completely missing that. The bible says "a son" and you instantly assume it means a minor. Why?
G_O_D wrote:
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all old and young, girls and women and little children." Ezekiel 9:5

"I will release wild animals that will kill your children" Leviticus 26:21

"Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes....their wives raped .... They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children." Isaiah 13:15
Seems the Bible disagrees with you. You should read it sometime.
RiversideRedneck wrote:
You're comparing different laws from different cultures in different regions at different times.
Lets compare the laws of China in 320 AD to the laws of England today, shall we?
No he isn't. He's comparing your interpretation of ancient Hebrew laws to his own by showing us what the words actually say.

You wrote that "children could NOT be executed" and that it was wrong to assume that a son "means a minor." He disagreed and posted scripture that contradicted your position. How is that "comparing different laws from different cultures in different regions at different times"?

Is it so difficult to agree that your god would execute children?

“Life may be sweeter for this”

Since: Nov 08

Fennario

#552800 Jun 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Atheists seem to get all their "info" from atheist websites and the like.
They like to remain willfully ignorant so they can keep their belief that gods can't exist.
*shrugs* dunno why...
What information is available only on a Christian apologetics web site?

Christian apologists aren't bound to the same ethics of scholarship that secularists are. They don't even define truth the way we do.

So why would I accept anything at all found only on a Christian website?

I don't get information about Christian websites for the same reason that I didn't learn medicine from homeopathic web sites. Philosophy, methods, results, and reputation all matter.

Since: Jul 09

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#552804 Jun 29, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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no I didn't
Many times Ians has made blatantly bigoted comments about Christians. Several of us have taken these comments and removed the word "Christian" and replaced it with "gay" to illustrate how obviously bigoted it would be if said about another group
The argument presented was it isn't an accurate comparison as we choose to be Christian and they don't choose to be gay.
Still not sure how that explains why choosing to believe in God gives him the right to negatively stereotype hundreds of millions of people he has never met as immoral and unethical and claim we shouldn't have the right to exercise our faith in public and should be subject to ridicule if we do.
But any argument defending bigotry is stupid by definition
Regardless, their point was it isn't bigoted because we chose to be Christian and they didn't choose to be gay. So if they did choose, then finally even by their own warped logic, Ians is a bigot
christianity is a philosophy and a moral system, which preaches xenophobia and paranoia, and which encourages hate. The more closely is followed this philosophy the more neurotic and hate-filled are its followers.

Those who adhere to this system are fruit of the poisoned tree, and display a predictable antisocial profile.(look to your own posts, they seldom contain debate, but are personal, emotional, hate driven, and fault finding.)

Sexual orientation is not a choice nor a philosophy, it is also not a moral system; the members are from a very diverse philosophy.

L

Since: Jul 09

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#552805 Jun 29, 2013
waaasssuuup wrote:
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hi dog!
since you continue to fight for homosexual expression on the earth; may you personally receive the full reward of your efforts - kinda like Cher did with her lovely daughter 'chazz' and like howard stern did with his daughter!:)
christianity;

who wants some

Since: Jul 09

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#552807 Jun 29, 2013
Skombolis wrote:
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Well technically it makes no difference if someone is born that way or chooses as the Bible doesn't state being homosexual is a sin but that engaging in homosexual sex is.
People are prone to all sorts of behavior. Some innate. Some learned. The Bible doesn't get into the "why".
But my point is, which I don't see how anyone could argue, is both are bigoted comments
"filthy gay liar"
"filthy Christian liar"
...snip
Gays have no higher propensity to lie than do other people.

Christians have a very high propensity to prevarication.

Since: Jul 09

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#552811 Jun 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Except for a very small percentage, I've seen no logical reason to assume that sexual orientation is not a choice.
Not that it matters either way.
I don't see the big deal. So what if it's a choice.
have you had sex with a male?

then why do you think you should comment at all?

Since: Jul 09

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#552813 Jun 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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You're comparing different laws from different cultures in different regions at different times.
Lets compare the laws of China in 320 AD to the laws of England today, shall we?
your god's morality changes with culture?

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#552814 Jun 29, 2013
Chris Clearwater wrote:
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Part of being a Christian is that we serve others. On Aug 28, 2010, many people went to Washington D.C. in what was called "Restoring Honor" I should clarify that while some in this group are most likely Christian others are not. But its quite clear some in government have no problem targeting and using resources to intimidate.
Here is what I read...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoring_Honor_...

I am not sure how you think this targeted Christians. This rally started (according to how I understood it) as a publicity/political event and then changed to a charity event. I didn't see where it was promoted as a religious event.

"On November 21, 2009, at The Villages, Florida, Beck announced a rally to be held on August 28, 2010, in Washington, D.C., at the Lincoln Memorial. Beck originally intended the rally as political, and planned to promote his next book, The Plan, in which he would outline a century-long plan to "save the country". Over the 2009 Christmas holidays, however, Beck claimed the event would be "non-political", and focus on raising awareness and funds for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation charity, because soliciting tax-exempt funds to pay for the rally through the charity restricts political activity. The charity receives funds collected above the amount needed to pay for the rally. Beck named his planned rally "Restoring Honor," saying its theme was "about honoring character" as well as honoring the sacrifices of U.S. Armed Services personnel."

Biggest opponents seem to have been from some leaders of the black community...

"Various civil rights leaders of the black community criticized Beck leading up to the event, under the auspice that picking the anniversary of King's speech was a "deliberate way to distort King's message."

Through this entire article...unless I am just misreading...I got no indication that it was opposed because of it being "Christian". Nor did I get any indication that it was a "Christian" event.

Maybe I am just not understanding your view point and how Christians are being targeted.

Since: Jul 09

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#552815 Jun 29, 2013
RiversideRedneck wrote:
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Oh, ok. I understand. Honestly, I've never them then in action, either. Just online.
You're right, it doesn't compare.
Christians don't go around spreading pedophelia around the country.....
<quoted text>
I do, but only once or twice a year. And every time I regret it.
But is never try to force anyone else to not go because I think it's awful ...snip
ok

but only because you are such a good christian

Since: Jul 09

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#552816 Jun 29, 2013
trifecta1 wrote:
<quoted text>However Jesus did call Himself God.
No one can silence Christianity. They Romans tried it and the opposite happened, Christianity spread like wildfire.
The only thing a person can do that rejects Christianity, is simply not believe and go live they life. But Christianity will always exist. Christianity is growing.
christianity is declining in all countries with a decent education system.

I think there is a growing storm for that belief system.

even islam is doing better than christianity.
Favorite Adversary

Brooklyn, NY

#552817 Jun 29, 2013
karl44 wrote:
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christianity is declining in all countries with a decent education system.
I think there is a growing storm for that belief system.
even islam is doing better than christianity.
How do you reach that conclusion? Christianity is expanding in parts of Africa and the Orient at a very quick pace. Like other beliefs, Christianity displays ebb and flow.

Are you basing your opinion on polls and surveys?

“squuuze me”

Since: Feb 09

Florida, USA

#552818 Jun 29, 2013
~snicker~

“Rainbow: God's covenant ”

Since: May 07

Clearwater and Honolulu

#552819 Jun 29, 2013
AnnieJ wrote:
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Here is what I read...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Restoring_Honor_...
I am not sure how you think this targeted Christians. This rally started (according to how I understood it) as a publicity/political event and then changed to a charity event. I didn't see where it was promoted as a religious event.
"On November 21, 2009, at The Villages, Florida, Beck announced a rally to be held on August 28, 2010, in Washington, D.C., at the Lincoln Memorial. Beck originally intended the rally as political, and planned to promote his next book, The Plan, in which he would outline a century-long plan to "save the country". Over the 2009 Christmas holidays, however, Beck claimed the event would be "non-political", and focus on raising awareness and funds for the Special Operations Warrior Foundation charity, because soliciting tax-exempt funds to pay for the rally through the charity restricts political activity. The charity receives funds collected above the amount needed to pay for the rally. Beck named his planned rally "Restoring Honor," saying its theme was "about honoring character" as well as honoring the sacrifices of U.S. Armed Services personnel."
Biggest opponents seem to have been from some leaders of the black community...
"Various civil rights leaders of the black community criticized Beck leading up to the event, under the auspice that picking the anniversary of King's speech was a "deliberate way to distort King's message."
Through this entire article...unless I am just misreading...I got no indication that it was opposed because of it being "Christian". Nor did I get any indication that it was a "Christian" event.
Maybe I am just not understanding your view point and how Christians are being targeted.
Of course the people that stand against it are not going to do so saying its because of issues of faith but it is imo. True, most of the leaders in the black community stand quite strongly against this. At least one, Alveda King, has stood with the people that went to Washington that day and has paid quite a price for it. Like on my first date at a Messianic service where the son had been disowned by the rest of his family some things you just don't do if you want peace. Thankful this woman stands on the very words of Mlk so many years ago and nothing, no person, not even members of her own family keep her from standing for what is right. We will never agree on this because I see indications of it almost each day. Don't know if it happens in my lifetime but I bet the day comes when the government here, like other parts of the world will tell us what kind of religion is ok, what kind you will see no tolerance for.

“BE BRAVE ENOUGH ”

Since: Oct 09

TO STEP IN MUD PUDDLES

#552820 Jun 29, 2013
Favorite Adversary wrote:
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How do you reach that conclusion? Christianity is expanding in parts of Africa and the Orient at a very quick pace. Like other beliefs, Christianity displays ebb and flow.
Are you basing your opinion on polls and surveys?
Here is an excerpt from a study conducted by the Univ. of Toronto...

"A century ago, 80 per cent of the world's Christians lived in Europe and North America; today, nearly 70 per cent live in Africa, Asia, and Latin America, making Christianity a predominantly non-Western religion.

A critical mass of scholars who are looking into the implications of this shift has made the University of Toronto a leading centre for the study of global Christianity.

Christianity today has more than 2.2 billion adherents worldwide. The majority are overwhelmingly poor, displaced from rural villages into overcrowded cities in search of work, and adhere strictly to the word of Scripture, which can command their loyalty far more than state or society."

***

...the face of Christianity is changing...

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552821 Jun 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:

Because God told them it was moral.
You have read the bible, right ?
Yes, I have. And studied it. And learned from it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552822 Jun 29, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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You never answered my question, your silence is answer enough.
Here, I'll ask you again to give you another chance:
Do you find that killing people for being disrespectful to their parents is moral?
I answered that already, Lacez. I said that I don't find it moral at all.

But morality isn't the debate here, even though you're desperately trying to change it.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552823 Jun 29, 2013
Chess Jurist wrote:
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You may need to re-read my post to understand what I *actually* wrote.
Don't worry.
Yours is a common failing among fundies.
"When you got something other than simple suspension of disbelieve and ignorance of your own scriptures, give me a shout."

I gotcha, atheist. I responded in kind.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552824 Jun 29, 2013
G_O_D wrote:
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You have a time machine ?
do you keep in the secret vaults of the Vatican or in your basement ?
A time machine isn't required to do historical research, my man.

Get a grip.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552825 Jun 29, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Okay, so you're saying that even your god cannot define morality.
For it can't be moral one day and immoral the next.
Along with that, you are saying that had you been raised in that time, you would have your sons and/or daughters killed if they disrespected you?
Sorry, but that's not right, nor moral in any way.
I'm sure there are many here that would agree that no matter the time, it would be wrong to kill people just for being disrespectful.
You do realize that that also disobeys one of the ten commandments too, right?
There are no terms to that commandment, and so people are blatantly going against that "law."
That would be murder.
You're trying to define what is moral for all people of all time. You don't get to do that. You need to learn and understand that different people have their own feelings about what is - and is not - moral.

You don't understand.

“Ditat Deus”

Since: Jul 12

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#552826 Jun 29, 2013
Lacez wrote:
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Yet you agree with it.
You believe it was right to execute them at that time because it was legal.
Where did I say I agree with it?!

Where? When?

All I've ever been saying about this is that it was legal, therefore not murder.

You keep trying to change the goalposts to make this a morality issue when it's not.

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